Obama supports Mosque at Ground Zero

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jillio said:
The mosque is not a threat to anyone. The threat comes from those who feel threatened by its presence and are therefore inclined to do something stupid in protest.
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Still a threat to public safety :)

Just like the stampeding people are the actual danger behind yelling fire.

I doubt many feel threatened by it's presence.....try offended.

Permits for protests are declined all the time for fear of the reaction.

Doesn't matter though......this will not be built.
 
TXgolfer said:
Still a threat to public safety :)

Just like the stampeding people are the actual danger behind yelling fire.

I doubt many feel threatened by it's presence.....try offended.

Permits for protests are declined all the time for fear of the reaction.

Doesn't matter though......this will not be built.
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The mosque is not the threat, though. Offended usually contains an element of fear, e.g. threatened.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch.
 
TXgolfer said:
Still a threat to public safety :)

Just like the stampeding people are the actual danger behind yelling fire.

I doubt many feel threatened by it's presence.....try offended.

Permits for protests are declined all the time for fear of the reaction.

Doesn't matter though......this will not be built.
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Would you be happy if Christian church is built at ground zero?
 
jillio said:
Same reason that one capitalizes "Catholic Church" or "Presbyterian Church" but not just "church".
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That's why mosque shouldn't have been capitalized in that quotation. It was probably a typo that slipped by a careless editor. At least, I hope that it wasn't intentional by a White House spokesman.

"Church" is capitalized only when it's part of the formal name of a specific church, such as Township Methodist Church, or when it's part of the formal denomination name, such as Church of Christ, Scientist, or Church of England or Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
 
Reba said:
That's why mosque shouldn't have been capitalized in that quotation. It was probably a typo that slipped by a careless editor. At least, I hope that it wasn't intentional by a White House spokesman.

"Church" is capitalized only when it's part of the formal name of a specific church, such as Township Methodist Church, or when it's part of the formal denomination name, such as Church of Christ, Scientist, or Church of England or Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
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Agreed.
 
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Well, depends on the context. If you are talking about Spanish imperialism, or Latin American and Filipino history, the Church is automatically assumed to be the Roman Catholic Church with no label attached to the initial word; most of the time, the dominion is not even mentioned or introduced-- just "Church," with a capital "C."

Although, in context of THIS article, it's either bad editing, or a huge cultural misunderstanding.
 
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Post 68 does not answer Foxrac's question.
 
souggy said:
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Well, depends on the context. If you are talking about Spanish imperialism, or Latin American and Filipino history, the Church is automatically assumed to be the Roman Catholic Church with no label attached to the initial word; most of the time, the dominion is not even mentioned or introduced-- just "Church," with a capital "C."
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Usually preceded by "the", not "a", so the reference is to a specific religion, not a building.

Like you said, as used in subsequent references after a first reference that includes the full name, or an understood reference from the context.
 
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TXgolfer said:
netrox said:
" It says that Congress may not set up a national religion or restrict freedom of religion. It does not say laws cannot be based on Judeo-Christian principles or Islamic principles or any other set of principles, as long as they adhere to the rest of the Constitution."





Are you sure you know what you're saying?





Many Christians and Muslims advocate the idea of having theocratic governments. Our founding fathers make sure it won't happen and outlined it clearly in the Constitution. Even made sure that no religious test shall be required.





Again, it boils down to this simple truth - you cannot deny others the same freedom no matter HOW you personally feel.
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Actually you can.





Freedom of speech is denied to those who wish to yell fire in a theater. Gun rights are taken from felons...ect ect ect





Public safety is the out. The ground zero mosque could certain be seen as a threat to the safety of the neighbors. :)
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Freedom of Speech is a joke. If it actually does exist, in the manner Americans think they are entitled to, then private companies can't fire employees, forum moderators and blog owners wouldn't be allowed to moderate comments and posts and so on. In the truest sense, "freedom of speech" is in context of government affairs: the government should not censor a person.



So to compare building a mosque to a theatre is moronic, especially since, first, most theatre are privately-owned, and second, "Fire!" is not even a political statement.
 
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souggy said:
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Freedom of Speech is a joke. If it actually does exist, in the manner Americans think they are entitled to, then private companies can't fire employees, forum moderators and blog owners wouldn't allowed to moderate comments and posts and so on. In the truest sense, "freedom of speech" is in context of government affairs: the government should not censor a person.

So to compare building a mosque to a theatre is moronic.
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Well said.
 
souggy said:
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So to compare building a mosque to a theatre is moronic, especially since, first, most theatre are privately-owned, and second, "Fire!" is not even a political statement.
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Comparison was made only with regard to being able to withhold right in the name of public safety.

Remeber visitors to the mosque would be the "public" too. People are often forbidden to go into areas for their own safety.

Public safety is a trump card.
 
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