Obama-McCain Debate Part I

[Byrdie714]

Thoughts????

 

[jillio]

Both appeared to stay true to form. I just have one question: what the heck is an "existential threat"?

 

[jazzy]

He does not understand. He does not understand. He does not understand. He does not understand. He does not understand. He does not understand.
He does not understand.

 

[SimpleMan]

*shrugs* I'm still trying to figure out Obama's 95% of Americans getting a tax cut when his plan calls for letting the current tax breaks expire, and then he over taxes almost all businesses (meaning price of everything we need to buy increases).

 

[Royale]

I watched the whole debate tonight and I would like to share my thoughts.

On Economy, I have to give Obama a very slight edge. Both candidates offered alot of ideas and substances on how to deal with the ecopnomic Wall Street and Main Street problems. Economy is issue no. 1 in this year's U.S. election among the voters according to the polls.

On Foreign Policy, I give McCain a clear edge thanks to his knowledge and experience as Senator for 26 years. Both guys have philosophical differences and approaches on how to deal with Iran and Russia. On Iran question, Obama and McCain had a spirited debate that got me excited.

I agree with Jillio that both guys have stayed true to form because they are staying on their ideas and goals.

I think both guys deserve kudos for having a productive debate so I call it a toss-up. Two more presidential debates are left! The Vice-Presidential debate next week should be more interesting!

 

[Royale]

He does not understand. He does not understand. He does not understand. He does not understand. He does not understand. He does not understand.
He does not understand.

It is what John McCain emphasized the viewers who are voters, of Obama's lack of experience on foreign and energy policies. To be honest with you, it was annoying for me to see him do it over again and again.

 

[Royale]

Both appeared to stay true to form. I just have one question: what the heck is an "existential threat"?

It means an existing threat such as nuclear, biological or chemical weapons by a terrorist organization or military against your country.

 

[SimpleMan]

I watched the whole debate tonight and I would like to share my thoughts.

On Economy, I have to give Obama a very slight edge. Both candidates offered alot of ideas and substances on how to deal with the ecopnomic Wall Street and Main Street problems. Economy is issue no. 1 in this year's U.S. election among the voters according to the polls.

On Foreign Policy, I give McCain a clear edge thanks to his knowledge and experience as Senator for 26 years. Both guys have philosophical differences and approaches on how to deal with Iran and Russia. On Iran question, Obama and McCain had a spirited debate that got me excited.

I agree with Jillio that both guys have stayed true to form because they are staying on their ideas and goals.

I think both guys deserve kudos for having a productive debate so I call it a toss-up. Two more presidential debates are left! The Vice-Presidential debate next week should be more interesting!

On much of this post from you I agree, with the only exception is Obama for economy. He stated nothing new, and just repeated his '95% of Americans will get tax cuts' even though I have seen no proof of cuts, and only that he will not 'directly' tax them more (just that he will let current tax breaks expire and will raise taxes for business meaning cost of everything we buy increases).

I did think McCain tried too hard to 'attack' Obama, and all of Obama's attacks fell short. McCain's having more experience showed through tho, especially on foreign policy (I know Obama got flustered, whenever he started stuttering or saying 'Um', like that church forum a couple months ago).

I don't know if the debate had captions, because many times I watch this type of thing and there's no captions. I just hope they did so all deaf people can see what is said.

Anyways, I think McCain did a little bit better than Obama overall, but considering McCain was doing his job as a senator last night and this morning so must have been pretty tired, and Obama just rested ("They'll call me if they need me"), I think it went pretty well.

Just MHO

 

[Reba]

I'm embarrassed to say that I fell asleep about 9:40, so I missed the rest of the debate. :Oops: I've been sleeping from 12:30 - 4:30 a.m. all week, and it just caught up with me, pow! I'll try to catch the rest of the debate on "reruns".

 

[Foxrac]

I picked Obama for economic and liberal social, I don't like McCain due disagree with his social views, just let you know that I'm very liberal on social.

Still going to vote Obama.

 

[Jiro]

wtf? this is not a debate at all. none of them answer questions at all. they answered with vagueness and they were just restating highlighters. Obama humored me with bunch of "McCain's right....." He did painfully poor on foreign policy and national security parts but he did pretty good on economic/tax/domestic issues. McCain does not make sense with domestic issues. I only agreed with him on one thing - not supporting ethanol subsidiary.

 

[SimpleMan]

Hehe, Jiro, you mentioned Ethanol. I think it's messed up that they try to give us that as alternative fuel and pretend it's something new. I remember over 20 years ago that I learned that Ethanol dries out gaskets in the engine. Maybe they make gaskets different now so that they can work with Ethanol, but I still like old cars. I had a '71 Mustang and wish I could have that car again, but I think our 'gas' today would ruin the engine. Anyways, I do agree, they were both still pretty vague, but that's how politics always is.

Foxrac, I am curious about your 'social liberalness'. One of the reasons I consider myself independent is because of abortion rights. I believe abortion should be legal during the first 3 months of pregnancy, it should be the woman's choice. Anytime after the first three months, I think it should only be legal for safety of the mother due to complications. That way if it's because of rape or just because they cannot support it, 3 months is plenty of time to decide. After that I believe it's wrong morally unless the mother would suffer or die otherwise (it is also actually much more dangerous to the mother at that point).

and Reba, Shame on you! j/k

 

[Jiro]

The reason why I don't support this whole ethanol fuel thing is because you mainly need corn for it and it has a highly inefficient process to extract ethanol fuel from it. Since you need a massive amount of corns to create ethanol fuel, this drives up food price for corns and this also caused furious uproars for Mexicans.

 

[SimpleMan]

The reason why I don't support this whole ethanol fuel thing is because you mainly need corn for it and it has a highly inefficient process to extract ethanol fuel from it. Since you need a massive amount of corns to create ethanol fuel, this drives up food price for corns and this also caused furious uproars for Mexicans.

You're right, I think it was within the last last 3-4 years that I learned it still cost too much to make, so it's very inefficient. I'm not sure what Mexico has to do with it though, as I thought most corn in the US comes from the midwest like Illinois where I grew up and used to be all cornfields everywhere. My friends and I used to go to the cornfields and park after leaving the bars, and we'd throw corn at each other or drive our beater cars to jump over railroad tracks (Oh man, it's a wonder I'm still alive).

 

[Jiro]

You're right, I think it was within the last last 3-4 years that I learned it still cost too much to make, so it's very inefficient. I'm not sure what Mexico has to do with it though, as I thought most corn in the US comes from the midwest like Illinois where I grew up and used to be all cornfields everywhere.

we need tons of corns. where can we get it? Mexico... thus causing price hike. it's profitable for Mexico to sell corns to us than to their fellow Mexicans who rely heavily on corns for food - taco, tortilla, rice, etc. That's why there were bunch of angry uproars by Mexicans protesting against this.

basic supply-demand economic concept, you know. Ethanol Fuel SUCKS.

My friends and I used to go to the cornfields and park after leaving the bars, and we'd throw corn at each other or drive our beater cars to jump over railroad tracks (Oh man, it's a wonder I'm still alive).

LOL you crazy bastard

 

[jillio]

I watched the whole debate tonight and I would like to share my thoughts.

On Economy, I have to give Obama a very slight edge. Both candidates offered alot of ideas and substances on how to deal with the ecopnomic Wall Street and Main Street problems. Economy is issue no. 1 in this year's U.S. election among the voters according to the polls.

On Foreign Policy, I give McCain a clear edge thanks to his knowledge and experience as Senator for 26 years. Both guys have philosophical differences and approaches on how to deal with Iran and Russia. On Iran question, Obama and McCain had a spirited debate that got me excited.

I agree with Jillio that both guys have stayed true to form because they are staying on their ideas and goals.

I think both guys deserve kudos for having a productive debate so I call it a toss-up. Two more presidential debates are left! The Vice-Presidential debate next week should be more interesting!

I agree. I'm looking forward to the VP debate on Thursday.

 

[jillio]

I'm embarrassed to say that I fell asleep about 9:40, so I missed the rest of the debate. :Oops: I've been sleeping from 12:30 - 4:30 a.m. all week, and it just caught up with me, pow! I'll try to catch the rest of the debate on "reruns".

I wouldn't worry too much Reba. You didn't miss anything terribly significant from either side.

Glad you finally got some much needed sleep!

 

[Foxrac]

Hehe, Jiro, you mentioned Ethanol. I think it's messed up that they try to give us that as alternative fuel and pretend it's something new. I remember over 20 years ago that I learned that Ethanol dries out gaskets in the engine. Maybe they make gaskets different now so that they can work with Ethanol, but I still like old cars. I had a '71 Mustang and wish I could have that car again, but I think our 'gas' today would ruin the engine. Anyways, I do agree, they were both still pretty vague, but that's how politics always is.

Foxrac, I am curious about your 'social liberalness'. One of the reasons I consider myself independent is because of abortion rights. I believe abortion should be legal during the first 3 months of pregnancy, it should be the woman's choice. Anytime after the first three months, I think it should only be legal for safety of the mother due to complications. That way if it's because of rape or just because they cannot support it, 3 months is plenty of time to decide. After that I believe it's wrong morally unless the mother would suffer or die otherwise (it is also actually much more dangerous to the mother at that point).

and Reba, Shame on you! j/k

I support 100% gay rights, including marriage, support abortion based on woman's choice, end of drug war, such as legalize on marijuana and respectful to immigrant rights but not for illegal, also I'm favor into universal health care.

For fuel issue, I'm against on drilling in ANWR but offshore, it's depends on coasts, I'm favor into strict emission regulation, such as increase mpg, alternative fuel or other energy source for vehicles.

 

[Liza]

Lehrer was great as a moderator. I fell asleep when they got to the focus group.... but I did catch some of them being disappointed that neither candidate really answered the questions on some things. They wanted more details. How, with the time restrictions, and they kind of wasted time defending themselves. However, Obama was better liked by the independents polled. It seems like Obama did well, and made the finishing line by the nose in my opinion. He was gracious while McCain was surly. McCain needed a clear victory and he didn't get that. Ha ha!

McCain was really condscending and kept bringing up his POW and experiences. He kept reminding everyone of how inexperienced Obama was. Obama was right on target when he made this excellent point that we cannot fund a war with what we don't have. Spending 10 billion dollars monthly on this war when we have serious domestic issues... ridiculous. If you want a paternalistic and single-minded sheriff that will spend more resources than we can afford to, then vote for McCain!

Ah, more debates to come... *popcorn*

 

[jillio]

Lehrer was great as a moderator. I fell asleep when they got to the focus group.... but I did catch some of them being disappointed that neither candidate really answered the questions on some things. They wanted more details. How, with the time restrictions, and they kind of wasted time defending themselves. However, Obama was better liked by the independents polled. It seems like Obama did well, and made the finishing line by the nose in my opinion. He was gracious while McCain was surly. McCain needed a clear victory and he didn't get that. Ha ha!

McCain was really condscending and kept bringing up his POW and experiences. He kept reminding everyone of how inexperienced Obama was. Obama was right on target when he made this excellent point that we cannot fund a war with what we don't have. Spending 10 billion dollars monthly on this war when we have serious domestic issues... ridiculous. If you want a paternalistic and single-minded sheriff that will spend more resources than we can afford to, then vote for McCain!

Ah, more debates to come... *popcorn*

Excellent synopsis, Liza. I, too, saw McCain as attempting to deflect issues through attacks on Obama, rather than defending his position with relevent information.