New highly addictive drug targets teens

[Reba]

But it seems like dhb also wants to exempt the producers and dealers from prosecution, too.

 

[rockin'robin]

Your missing my point. NOT all addict would do criminally activity.

40 years, war on drugs have done damages to society as whole, and it takes time for society to recover, the longer we wait (Legalize and let it go) we will suffer with newer and more dangerous drugs that is being awaiting for us to discover. until we wake up and realize that the drug law is BROKEN. In other word, the drug law we have is a real incentives for all cartels who were motivated by profit, period. That is what the reality there is. Ban this, ban that.... Cartel's thinking (hmmm, its ban and I see money... how do I do it without getting bust... recruit ex cons, [ideas keeping rolling], and so on). In order to choke cartel, let it go, treat with education and of course Obituary would be great idea. Thats why I am pointing to Education as the best possible solution, but it is not meant to be magic bullet because there isn't such a magic bullet exist...

What I really am saying is, alright go ahead fry your brain with drugs as long as you abide all the laws and not hurting anybody (No drug law exists), breaking one of them like robbing a bank, etc will criminalize them anyway. You get killed by drugs, it will be announced as a courtesy of Department of Education.

As of right now, governor of New York is considering ban on Palcohol, a powdered alcohol and I am scary because if that happens, somebody is going to find a way how to make Palcohol and it could be deadlier than the legal one.

Your quote:
What I really am saying is, alright go ahead fry your brain with drugs as long as you abide all the laws and not hurting anybody (No drug law exists), breaking one of them like robbing a bank, etc will criminalize them anyway. You get killed by drugs, it will be announced as a courtesy of Department of Education.

....for every drug addict, there is a mother, a father and perhaps siblings/family...do you honestly think they are telling their son/daughter to "go ahead and fry ur brain with drugs, abide by the laws....you're not hurting anyone"...

And yes, I did see your point, but cannot agree or abide by it. It would be almost like "New Jack City"....drug abusers everywhere, frying their brains...and they have got to get the $$ somewhere....While the non-drug users are scrambling around trying to find a decent place to live without burglar bars on their windows, worrying their pocket books being stolen, car hijackings...the list goes on and on.

 

[diehardbiker]

Show me where I would suggested that?

Black markets equals no trail, no nothing to leave behind, that is where it gets scary. You have no idea what these people who manufactures dope in the dark is doing down there, and whatever the middle men doing (with dope) during night time. Do you really support shady dealers, eh?

But it seems like dhb also wants to exempt the producers and dealers from prosecution, too.

 

[diehardbiker]

The whole point is, we can not criminalize addicts. We have tried criminals alcohols and the result was terrible as you already know, it goes same with dope.

The more regulations involved, the easier to track who is abusing them, Black markets don't offer that feature to help addicts when they are ready.

And to clean up the huge problems begins with kids and education, there is no way we can educate adults because their mind is all set and they have gone what they grew up and know what it is, this is where the damage is done.

Have you given yourselves this serious thoughts, why we got the largest number of inmates in jail than anywhere in the world, isn't it strong evidence that our system is not working, eh? We could keep trying, and I can bet you my ass, prison industry in the United States is booming.

 

[femme Fatale]

We're a nation of human rights (as ironic as it appears with the amount of corruption occurring), in other nations drug users can be executed. If all else, it's what it is, we can't consider and control every factor that leads to drug use. It's a road of hard knocks, legalized ot not, they will learn the hard way.

The whole point is, we can not criminalize addicts. We have tried criminals alcohols and the result was terrible as you already know, it goes same with dope.

The more regulations involved, the easier to track who is abusing them, Black markets don't offer that feature to help addicts when they are ready.

And to clean up the huge problems begins with kids and education, there is no way we can educate adults because their mind is all set and they have gone what they grew up and know what it is, this is where the damage is done.

Have you given yourselves this serious thoughts, why we got the largest number of inmates in jail than anywhere in the world, isn't it strong evidence that our system is not working, eh? We could keep trying, and I can bet you my ass, prison industry in the United States is booming.

 

[Reba]

Show me where I would suggested that?

Black markets equals no trail, no nothing to leave behind, that is where it gets scary. You have no idea what these people who manufactures dope in the dark is doing down there, and whatever the middle men doing (with dope) during night time. Do you really support shady dealers, eh?

Of course, I don't support shady dealers.

That's what I'm asking you. How do you propose to get rid of a black market in drugs without legalizing them?

If you aren't suggesting legalizing drugs, then how do you get rid of the black market?

 

[seb]

heroin addict could live to 100 do decent job you would never know he heroin addict,thats the ones who get it legit

Seriously doubt it.

 

[diehardbiker]

Decriminalize them. Its almost like legalization, and government needs to leave doctors alone because whenever doctor suspect let them report them. I know it is not going to solve problem right away, but will take years and years, more likely couple generations or three to get problems under control. In other word, government needs to mind their business when it comes to moral issues.

Others may point out that addict can hurt their loved one, I am not going to argue about this, but yes it is true however it is the minimal damage done and not much we can do about it. It is because none of us owes to addict, and addict owes nobody but themselves, unfortunately most cases addicts thinks somebody owes them and it is not going to happen. So answer yourselves, why are you owe these addicts favor to get them help they need? Really, you do NOT owe anything to them and let it go. Just like 150 years ago, nobody gives a damn if idiot decided to be downright idiot and got themselves killed.

So, come back to the point, how solve the problem which is begin educate kids when they are young enough to absorb the information and they usually get scared and will keep them in their mind. Unfortunately not all of them would, yet it is best solution than what we have in the last 40 years.

Of course, I don't support shady dealers.

That's what I'm asking you. How do you propose to get rid of a black market in drugs without legalizing them?

If you aren't suggesting legalizing drugs, then how do you get rid of the black market?

 

[whatdidyousay!]

People that have addiction to any kind of drug and that include alcohol
can and do cause more than minimal damage to their family and friends .
Emotional abuse is worse than physical abuse , it can't be seen but it's there.

 

[DeafDucky]

Others may point out that addict can hurt their loved one, I am not going to argue about this, but yes it is true however it is the minimal damage done and not much we can do about it.

'minimal damage'? Seriously? an addict hurting a loved one- in any manner.. especially a CHILD is far more damaging than anything else. The child has to grow up with it- it will affect them the rest of their lives. And there's not much we can do about it? Sure there is... better mental health. I know of a family where the mother is a known addict (supposedly she is 'clean' right now) but her care of her two children at times have been...questionable stemming from her habits of past drug use and bringing home questionable men. Their stepmother has had to bathe them when they couldn't even remember the last time their mother bathed them or told them to.

I don't know if legalizing any currently illegal drugs would help. Seems that with legalizing alcohol, pain meds other narcotics hasn't really done any favors because addicts of these substances STILL abuse them, still destroy families/themselves/friends and still commit crimes to keep their high going.

 

[rockin'robin]

'minimal damage'? Seriously? an addict hurting a loved one- in any manner.. especially a CHILD is far more damaging than anything else. The child has to grow up with it- it will affect them the rest of their lives. And there's not much we can do about it? Sure there is... better mental health. I know of a family where the mother is a known addict (supposedly she is 'clean' right now) but her care of her two children at times have been...questionable stemming from her habits of past drug use and bringing home questionable men. Their stepmother has had to bathe them when they couldn't even remember the last time their mother bathed them or told them to.

I don't know if legalizing any currently illegal drugs would help. Seems that with legalizing alcohol, pain meds other narcotics hasn't really done any favors because addicts of these substances STILL abuse them, still destroy families/themselves/friends and still commit crimes to keep their high going.

Yes!...when I adopted my 3 boys, 2 of them did not even know how to wipe their arses....wild & rowdy also...no respect and would not follow the rules. Their drug addicted mother just didn't give a damn about what they did, what they wore...etc., or even if they went to school.
She came back "around" a few times. trying to persuade us that she was "clean"........the boys will have nothing to do with her at all...so Karma is a Bitch, you know?....as she cries "my kids don't Love me"....what does she expect?....And you can't back up all those years that she threw away for her "Happy Pills" and other drugs and numerous men.

 

[diehardbiker]

Im referring to relatively, not the size.

'minimal damage'? Seriously? an addict hurting a loved one- in any manner.. especially a CHILD is far more damaging than anything else. The child has to grow up with it- it will affect them the rest of their lives. And there's not much we can do about it? Sure there is... better mental health. I know of a family where the mother is a known addict (supposedly she is 'clean' right now) but her care of her two children at times have been...questionable stemming from her habits of past drug use and bringing home questionable men. Their stepmother has had to bathe them when they couldn't even remember the last time their mother bathed them or told them to.

I don't know if legalizing any currently illegal drugs would help. Seems that with legalizing alcohol, pain meds other narcotics hasn't really done any favors because addicts of these substances STILL abuse them, still destroy families/themselves/friends and still commit crimes to keep their high going.

 

[diehardbiker]

I am very surprised that none of you have noticed how the problem grew from the first year of "Ban", as soon as ban becomes effect, the problem isn't growing slow, they have multiplied over years to the point its huge problem with no solution in sight. I don't care about addict, I don't care about the families associates with addict, I was referring to a big fat picture of whole shit that we are experiencing right now, its today far worse than back in 1972. If we continue doing the same thing, the guarantee I could give is that problem will not go away, and it will get bigger anyway. The only way to find out the solution is called "change". We have to change the way we deal with problems nowadays, if we don't, nothing will change, and we will see more new dangerous drugs in the horizon and would come in earlier if no changes has made.

We saw decline with crimes across the categories in state of Colorado. They made change, right? Did it work? To me, it looks like it is.

 

[Jiro]

'spose I am out of town. That is where I ran into problems.

um.... stock up before you leave out of town.

Secondly, there are many patients that don't have car, friend of mine who passed away recently happens to be one of them. Not easy for them to stick with one place every time. Some patients were forcing to relocate, and try to refill makes it taunting for them, which sometimes end up having them resort to black market that offers zero hassles. There's more that you don't know at all.

then how did they get medications in the first place if they had no car? you're making it sounds like it's virtually impossible to get a medication if you moved out. come on now.... come on.

I don't know what happened to your friend or what's the story with it and you have my condolence but I don't really buy it. it sounds like a very biased story with your own version of story added to it.

how exactly is it a zero hassle when it comes to buying drugs from black market? zero hassle??? that means having to pay more for illegal drugs... worrying about getting busted by undercover cops... or mugged by shady dealers... zero hassle? LOL

And its right direction in order to encourage them figuring out other way around, and often its much more lethal than whats to begin with. Its endless!

yes it's the right step.... to CURB the addiction to medications and to prevent them from selling it.

 

[Jiro]

Very simple, don't criminalize addicts. They need help, not punishment.

Which would better help addicts, though legal market or black market? Think about it, there will always be black market, and do these owners of black markets care?

whoa. just read all of your posts. you're going all over places. your posts are inconsistent with each other.

1. more and more states are not criminalizing small-time busts.

2. I strongly support criminalizing addicts. keyword -ADDICTS... which means repeated offenders. they're a serious danger to society and to themselves. too many people get hurt or killed by DUI... cuz they're addicts.

3. many many many courts do offer/mandate rehabilitation for addicts in exchange of lesser charge or no charge as part of plea bargains. many many many addicts failed to stick with the programs. there's nothing we can do about it except to arrest them again and we'll have to put them in jail to prevent them from hurting themselves or other people.

4. legal market? black market? what? are you saying we should be selling flakka, crack, heroine, etc legally? you are insane. the only drug that I believe we should start decriminalizing (but with restriction and regulation) is marijuana. rest of drugs.... it kills people.

 

[Jiro]

Don't forget one of my best friend was overdosed and died from it, all due to court order mandates. I discovered last week about it and realize the real problem.

Why are we suggesting feeding black markets? Aren't you forgetting the black markets? Secondly, have you ever wondering why we (USA) have world's largest prison business on this planet? Don't you realize that prison is in reality as a university for criminals, and throwing addicts there only to have them recruits for black market owners and enhance their criminal skills? Anytime when prisoners throws in prison, the rest knows that person and gain trust knowing they aren't part of 5-0.

Lastly, lately, government have cut down on mental health care programs, whats up with that?

There is more that many don't know exists, and lastly criminals always at least steps ahead of laws.

Here is the fact, several months ago, one of biggest drug cartel just got busted... Have anyone notice a dent or two on drug markets so far? Have we heard addict complain that they couldn't get dope they wanted? So far none, nada, zip, zero, whatsoever. This proves how huge black market is, and sorry no, that drug cartel isn't only one, but plenty cartels out there still hiding and still raking billions of dollars.

In reality, damage is done, caused by over 40 years war on drugs that have driven drug cartel from rags to filthy rich under bigass table! Government have tried, and tried over and over again trying to get drugs under control, only to have them into bigger and more dangerous problems than ever... can't you see the real proof in plain view?

And don't forget these 40 years worth of war on drugs have already lead to police state, do we really want more of it? I don't think we do. Hope that government decides to take first step by admitting that they don't have power to control addict, and let it go. We will always have addict regardless how we wanted them to turn out.

oh my... that's a lot of "don't forget"......

did you forget that many major cities were once controlled by drug lords, streets full of prostitutes/dealers/dying addicts, cops being bribed on regular basis, and entire societies revolving around on corruptions with drug money?

did you forget that drug wars since 1980's... we won our cities back from drug lords?

there will always be robbers and murderers. it's a never-ending battle. by your logic.... we should legalize thievery and murdering because it would reduce the crimes :roll:

you are correct that we will always have addicts but what should we do about them if they don't care about anything and are causing a serious danger to society such as driving a car drunk and high on school zone? let him be? :roll:

 

[DeafDucky]

Yes!...when I adopted my 3 boys, 2 of them did not even know how to wipe their arses....wild & rowdy also...no respect and would not follow the rules. Their drug addicted mother just didn't give a damn about what they did, what they wore...etc., or even if they went to school.
She came back "around" a few times. trying to persuade us that she was "clean"........the boys will have nothing to do with her at all...so Karma is a Bitch, you know?....as she cries "my kids don't Love me"....what does she expect?....And you can't back up all those years that she threw away for her "Happy Pills" and other drugs and numerous men.

yep... sadly I can see that quite possibly her kids will eventually not want anything to do with her. One is kind of clingy and needy but the younger boy could care less- he's perfectly happy with his father & stepmom- in fact he gets sick MORE at home and improves when he goes to dad's house for the weekend.

 

[authentic]

Got news for you vodka and alcohol are addictive. People that are addicted are called alcoholics.

How come I drank vodka at parties and I'm not addicted to it.

Let's see who got addict you use any one of those ( cocaine or heroin or methamphetamine or magic mushroom, or LSD) versus me drink a bottle of any type of vodka.

 

[seb]

How come I drank vodka at parties and I'm not addicted to it.

Let's see who got addict you use any one of those ( cocaine or heroin or methamphetamine or magic mushroom, or LSD) versus me drink a bottle of any type of vodka.

If you become an alcoholic your addicted to the alcohol. I have friends and relatives who are alcoholics and they have definitely developed a dependance for alcohol and are definitely addicted to it.

 

[authentic]

If you become an alcoholic your addicted to the alcohol. I have friends and relatives who are alcoholics and they have definitely developed a dependance for alcohol and are definitely addicted to it.

My point is.....vodka is still better.
Which is worse drug addict or alcohol addict (alcoholics)?
Which one is easier to quit vodka or drug?