Myths and lies about CIs . . .

Bush_in_2004! said:
dd, some CI users, in the right setting, conditions and amplification levels can hear things many hearing people don't pick up.

Obviously, one doesn't get a CI to "out hear" a hearing person, but I'm willing to bet the day will come when some (many?) CI users routinely "hear" birds, frogs, back-up warning alarms, et al long before their hearing friends.
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if i get CI and have superhearing.. it would be bit annoying for me.. what if i'm just wanna go outside and sit and relax doing my homework.. birds singing far away.. car passing by far away and hearing that will be annoying...

I think Just normal would be better than superhearing
 
deafdyke said:
Boult, even over at Hearing Exchange, they say that CIers don't hear the same way that hearing people do! I distinctly remember a post by Paula saying that her and her daughter hear by bleeps and boops.
(more like hearing by computer rather then by traditional a/c aids)
I am NOT trying to spread misinformation....I'm simply reporting what current CI users have told me! You forget....I am NOT anti-CI. I think the CI is a great thing...
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DD, just wanted to let you know what Paula told me regarding to your statement above... I'll quote what she said..

This is not true, I never said we hear by bleeps and bloops and in fact, we don't. We hear speech and sounds better than when we wore hearing aids, they come in very clearly, we're able to converse easily on the phone, understand in the movies and rarely need to lipread anymore. In fact, we have been tested and despite our profound (me) and severe to profound hearing losses (my daughter) we now hear as if we only had MILD hearing losses with the aid of our cochlear implants and hearing aids in our unimplanted ears.

Feel free to quote me Boult.

Best,

Paula
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Well, time to start zipping your mouth with a real zipper! Ciao!
 
MRI now approved by FDA

Instering facts.. i studied hard on cochlear implants few days ago..

Now there's new CI tech.. wireless, and MRI approved..


***please note : the old CI is still not allowed for MRI. ***
 
DeafSCUBA98 said:
Instering facts.. i studied hard on cochlear implants few days ago..

Now there's new CI tech.. wireless, and MRI approved..


***please note : the old CI is still not allowed for MRI. ***
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just wait a few more years -- who knows what they'll come up with. A water proof CI -- don't vote against it!
 
Bush_in_2004! said:
just wait a few more years -- who knows what they'll come up with. A water proof CI -- don't vote against it!
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haha.. that'll be awsome listening underwater.. while hearies can't.. (am i right?) it'll be cool hearing whale's call underwater. :)
 
DeafSCUBA98 said:
haha.. that'll be awsome listening underwater.. while hearies can't.. (am i right?) it'll be cool hearing whale's call underwater. :)
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also to add something.. There's waterproof Hearing Aids but yet they're very da bomb expensive.. one of my friend have one, just need to use it for his job as firefighter.
 
scuba, waterproof CIs may be around the corner, but whether it actually works underwater is another matter . . . maybe 10 years? :8
 
In regards to a reply a little bit before - yes, us hearies can hear very slightly underwater.... But only if someone is very close and yelling their little lungs out!
I'm really interested in the whole CI debate... I'm an Auslan student, and although I hear a lot about it at Tafe, I like to hear other points of view too...
 
Hehe, that's what signing is for! It's really cool signing underwater. Yeah, a waterproof CI would be useful, I'd like some waterproof hearing aids myself, so I don't have to worry about someone running up to me and scaring me when they're trying to get my attention or something. The option of wearing them while swimming should be there.
 
I can hear a little underwater.....I remember at summer camp when we would go to the Maildock for weekend trips. We'd either paddle or walk to the Maildock and then spend a couple of hours jumping off the dock.
I remember jumping off the dock and hearing a weird LOUD noise.. Cindy and Jen (counselors) said it was the sound of the motorboats. (in those days I was A LOT deafer then I am now)
 
Obviously, one doesn't get a CI to "out hear" a hearing person, but I'm willing to bet the day will come when some (many?) CI users routinely "hear" birds, frogs, back-up warning alarms, et al long before their hearing friends.
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Oh, I don't know...I think that would be incredibly annoying!
I think I remember reading that we humans only hear a small percentage of sounds and noises. Dogs and cats have some of the best hearing in the world...as a matter of fact did you know that they can hear the sounds that hearing aids and CIs give out? (that is why dogs like to chew up hearing aids) Compared to them virtually ALL humans ARE deaf!
I also think that if CIs get so good that users can outhear a hearing person, that insurance companies will refuse to cover them, claiming that it's a life-enhancing device rather then a vital to life device.
Finally I think only formally hearing people who were strong aural learners will benifit as much from the CI as you've suggested.
 
deafdyke said:
Oh, I don't know...I think that would be incredibly annoying!
I think I remember reading that we humans only hear a small percentage of sounds and noises. Dogs and cats have some of the best hearing in the world...as a matter of fact did you know that they can hear the sounds that hearing aids and CIs give out? (that is why dogs like to chew up hearing aids) Compared to them virtually ALL humans ARE deaf!
I also think that if CIs get so good that users can outhear a hearing person, that insurance companies will refuse to cover them, claiming that it's a life-enhancing device rather then a vital to life device.
Finally I think only formally hearing people who were strong aural learners will benifit as much from the CI as you've suggested.
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Are you saying that cat and dogs can hear what CI is giving out??? CI does not have earmold and does not create feedbacks like HA does! where did you get the idea that they can hear the CI? Unless you mean otherwise.. well your post is not clear..

Insurance companies already know it is a life-enhancing device so it is pointless to say that they will refuse if they found out!
 
Boult, what I mean is that CIs and hearing aids generate high frequncies, which we humans can't hear but other animals like dogs and cats can hear. I would imagine that the frequncies are sort of like the noises given off by computers, machinery, power lines and the like. Yes, I know CIs don't have earmolds or give off feedback, but the internal componets probaly generate a noise of their own. I don't know the specifics...all I know is that CIs generate high frequncies.
Insurance companies already know it is a life-enhancing device so it is pointless to say that they will refuse if they found out!
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Boult, no they don't consider a CI a "life enhancing" device. If they did, they would either not cover them or cover hearing aids (which are considered life-enhancing devices by the insurance industry ) Life-enhancing devices/ medical services are things like plastic surgery, Viagra, muscle-building steroids, etc. (stuff that isn't nessarly medically nessary to well-being) The reason why they cover CIs is b/c they are prothesises (sp?) like for amputees, or like dialysis for kidney and they replace the coachlea. They are medically nessarly b/c usually the canidates don't do too well with hearing aids.
A CI is NOT plastic surgery or viagra!
 
deafdyke said:
Boult, what I mean is that CIs and hearing aids generate high frequncies, which we humans can't hear but other animals like dogs and cats can hear. I would imagine that the frequncies are sort of like the noises given off by computers, machinery, power lines and the like. Yes, I know CIs don't have earmolds or give off feedback, but the internal componets probaly generate a noise of their own. I don't know the specifics...all I know is that CIs generate high frequncies.
Boult, no they don't consider a CI a "life enhancing" device. If they did, they would either not cover them or cover hearing aids (which are considered life-enhancing devices by the insurance industry ) Life-enhancing devices/ medical services are things like plastic surgery, Viagra, muscle-building steroids, etc. (stuff that isn't nessarly medically nessary to well-being) The reason why they cover CIs is b/c they are prothesises (sp?) like for amputees, or like dialysis for kidney and they replace the coachlea. They are medically nessarly b/c usually the canidates don't do too well with hearing aids.
A CI is NOT plastic surgery or viagra!
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Here's a url: http://www.advamed.org/publicdocs/medicare021599.htm
but...
I am going to ask Sherry about the insurance part in your post because she used to work in insurance industry, let's see what her answer is... BBL...
 
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DD,
by the way, Hearing Aid is not a DME so Insurance don't cover it not because it is a life enhancing! It is not a Durable Medical Equipment while CI is!
But... if you read this, you will see that they are getting Insurance to cover HA! http://www.shhh.org/html/sorkinjf03.HTM :p


Still waiting for answer from Sherry..

Meanwhile Medicare does cover CI regardless if it is a life-enhancing device.. I consider DME as life-enhancing! http://cms.hhs.gov/manuals/06_cim/ci60.asp#_65_14

To me, my opinion, whatever improve the quality of life is considered life-enhancing.. CI does improve the quality of life.. It has been researched to the death and bashed by you and others like Sweetmind and CSN over at DN!

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/press/2000/AUGUST/000815.HTM
 
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DD sez: ""but the internal componets probaly generate a noise of their own."

Me: probably not. Ever listen to a silent passage on a CD? -- its DEAD SILENCE. Digital sound is either a 0 or a 1 (or a series of 0's and 1's) -- not some humm in the background! I'd find it hard to believe CI's pick up stray internal noise when my Mac doesn't when I create CDs.
 
Boult said:
Here's a url: http://www.advamed.org/publicdocs/medicare021599.htm
but...
I am going to ask Sherry about the insurance part in your post because she used to work in insurance industry, let's see what her answer is... BBL...
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Ok I have answer for you... I am quoting what Sherry said...

Yes you are right- it is a DME, and it is a LIFEHANCING PROCEDURE! Insurance does pay for viagra. That is why women get in a tizzy cuz many policies don't pay for BC pills!
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There you go!
 
Jake, reread what I wrote. Humans cannot hear the frequncies that CIs and hearing aids give off. However other animals like dogs and cats can hear the frequncies that CIs and hearing aids emit.(that's why dogs love to attack and chew up the hearing aids/CIs) It's sort of like....radio waves are inaudiable to humans but that doesn't mean that other animals can't hear them....Wait...no. A better anaology would be those whistles or invisable fences which are used for dogs. Do you see now?
Boult, I will address your post in full tomorrow...it's getting late and I have a 9:00 am class tomorrow..:(
 
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