My God Daughter

[A]

I think that the California bill, and the opposition to it, is showing, again, how many people do not support parental choice.

Is that what you think?

 

[faire_jour]

Is that what you think?

Yes, some of them. They have said that they believe that ASL is the only choice and that once a child has mastered ASL they can add "other" things such as CI's, AV, or cued speech. That is against parental choice.

 

[A]

As a mandatory or as something to really stress how important ASL? BTW, opposing the bill does not make ASL mandatory.

 

[faire_jour]

As a mandatory or as something to really stress how important ASL? BTW, opposing the bill does not make ASL mandatory.

As mandatory. I'm not saying that all people who oppose the bill feel that way, but there are groups that do. I do not think that is ok. As I said to DD, I think that it is showing that some people are not as open as they pretend to be.

 

[shel90]

I think that the California bill, and the opposition to it, is showing, again, how many people do not support parental choice.

So you agree with the privatation of deaf children and the loopholes in it?

 

[jillio]

Let's get serious. Greater than 90% of parents want spoken language to be their child's primary language, and they are making the choices that reflect that. Very few are choosing ASL as their child's first or primary language. In fact,fewer are using ASL at all. If you tell them that they are audist for wanting spoken language, or that their child will fail without ASL, they are going to be even less likely to use it.

.So, do you want to be right, or do you want more parents choosing to use ASL with their children?

"Parents want". That is the problem. It is all about what a hearing parent wants. It is supposed to be about what the CHILD NEEDS. Parents should not be living vicariously through their children. They should be resposnible adults that raise their children, and attend to their needs. The whole situation is reversed.:roll:

 

[jillio]

I'd like to know what your source is for that statistic.

She doesn't have one. FJ just likes to throw out arbitrary numbers.

 

[A]

"Parents want". That is the problem. It is all about what a hearing parent wants. It is supposed to be about what the CHILD NEEDS. Parents should not be living vicariously through their children. They should be resposnible adults that raise their children, and attend to their needs. The whole situation is reversed.:roll:

I guess they better be careful with what they "want" or someone will accuse them of abusing their child. It is a good idea to look at what your child need, especially in case something goes wrong (they will think you are being abusive if you don't have any clear way to communication with your child)

 

[Bebonang]

"Parents want". That is the problem. It is all about what a hearing parent wants. It is supposed to be about what the CHILD NEEDS. Parents should not be living vicariously through their children. They should be resposnible adults that raise their children, and attend to their needs. The whole situation is reversed.:roll:

That is what I figure what my parents wanted as they don't know how to get special needs for me as a deaf child. They did not bother to learn ASL. They had the nerve to put me in a mainstream school (first, elementary school and second, high school) with just only the special education class which does not require no sign language like ASL and only use the FM plus speech therapy along with lipreading in elementary and only the homeroom (special education classroom and some courses for that special education until 8th grade is finish and then go on to mainstream with hearing students (9th to 12th) with no ASL interpreters and not notetakers. That is the longest sentence I have ever put out to describe what I had gone through. That is why I could not understand why hearing parents like FJ are sooooo stubborn not understanding about deafness they don't know nothing about. Remember Cloggy? He is so stubborn and we had to debate a lot with him.

 

[A]

That is what I figure what my parents wanted as they don't know how to get special needs for me as a deaf child. They did not bother to learn ASL. They had the nerve to put me in a mainstream school (first, elementary school and second, high school) with just only the special education class which does not require no sign language like ASL and only use the FM plus speech therapy along with lipreading in elementary and only the homeroom (special education classroom and some courses for that special education until 8th grade is finish and then go on to mainstream with hearing students (9th to 12th) with no ASL interpreters and not notetakers. That is the longest sentence I have ever put out to describe what I had gone through. That is why I could not understand why hearing parents like FJ are sooooo stubborn not understanding about deafness they don't know nothing about. Remember Cloggy? He is so stubborn and we had to debate a lot with him.

You just like me, and I'm a child of the 80's (I'm in my 30's right now) but I mainstreamed for the most part and special education for reading and writing.

 

[faire_jour]

"Parents want". That is the problem. It is all about what a hearing parent wants. It is supposed to be about what the CHILD NEEDS. Parents should not be living vicariously through their children. They should be resposnible adults that raise their children, and attend to their needs. The whole situation is reversed.:roll:

Fine, I'll rephrase....what parents believe their child needs.

There is not one way to raise a successful happy deaf child. There are pros and cons to each choice and it should be presented that way.

 

[faire_jour]

So you agree with the privatation of deaf children and the loopholes in it?

I don't believe that is what is happening and the latest ammendment covers the "other professional" issue and who will pay for it.

 

[flip]

Fine, I'll rephrase....what parents believe their child needs.

There is not one way to raise a successful happy deaf child. There are pros and cons to each choice and it should be presented that way.

A dark room in a small city somewhere in southern california. The Audiologist raises her head. "Let me tell you about the cons of the choice most posters on alldeaf favor, bi-bi..."

*wake up* Phew! Just another audistic post from faire_jour.

 

[faire_jour]

A dark room in a small city somewhere in southern california. The Audiologist raises her head. "Let me tell you about the cons of the choice most posters on alldeaf favor, bi-bi..."

*wake up* Phew! Just another audistic post from faire_jour.

Isn't the word "audist"? If you are going to call me names, at least get them right :roll:

 

[faire_jour]

A dark room in a small city somewhere in southern california. The Audiologist raises her head. "Let me tell you about the cons of the choice most posters on alldeaf favor, bi-bi..."

*wake up* Phew! Just another audistic post from faire_jour.

There are cons, you just don't care about them. Yes, they are much less dangerous than a child being language deprived for years and years, but they still remain.

 

[nyyankees154]

There is no right or wrong. There is only "This sounds better, because..."

If the parents really care for their child, then they would allow the child to pick at the age they can choose best for themselves. The family also have to understand that some, not all, deaf schools are not even worth looking at, they only care about pushing out numbers. They also need to know that some public schools do the same thing too. Then there is private schools, which can make a struggling family fail. Either way, they need to pick the school that can teach their child and push them to greatness and giving them what they need at the same time. It not just so they have a better life as a parent.

There is a difference between the deaf world and the hearing world. There are some of us that prefer only one world compared to the other, but those kind of parents should never force their kid to be in only one or the other. Both worlds have to learn to work with the other world.

I, myself, am hearing and love jumping back and forth into both worlds. It is kinda cool. My wife is deaf and she gets to do the same thing too. She prefers that, cause there less gossip about her. Then again, we are a part of 3 worlds as well(Hearing, deaf and military).

 

[jillio]

A dark room in a small city somewhere in southern california. The Audiologist raises her head. "Let me tell you about the cons of the choice most posters on alldeaf favor, bi-bi..."

*wake up* Phew! Just another audistic post from faire_jour.

 

[faire_jour]

There is no right or wrong. There is only "This sounds better, because..."

If the parents really care for their child, then they would allow the child to pick at the age they can choose best for themselves. The family also have to understand that some, not all, deaf schools are not even worth looking at, they only care about pushing out numbers. They also need to know that some public schools do the same thing too. Then there is private schools, which can make a struggling family fail. Either way, they need to pick the school that can teach their child and push them to greatness and giving them what they need at the same time. It not just so they have a better life as a parent.

There is a difference between the deaf world and the hearing world. There are some of us that prefer only one world compared to the other, but those kind of parents should never force their kid to be in only one or the other. Both worlds have to learn to work with the other world.

I, myself, am hearing and love jumping back and forth into both worlds. It is kinda cool. My wife is deaf and she gets to do the same thing too. She prefers that, cause there less gossip about her. Then again, we are a part of 3 worlds as well(Hearing, deaf and military).

Totally agree!

 

[jillio]

Isn't the word "audist"? If you are going to call me names, at least get them right :roll:

Uhh...she didn't call you a name. She used "audistic" as an adjective. And in a completely correct way according to rules of grammar. You, however, failed to understand the grammatical components of the sentence. The mistake was yours, in reading and grammatical understanding. Flip demonstrated a deaf usage of English superior to that of a hearing person.

 

[flip]

Uhh...she didn't call you a name. She used "audistic" as an adjective. And in a completely correct way according to rules of grammar. You, however, failed to understand the grammatical components of the sentence. The mistake was yours, in reading and grammatical understanding. Flip demonstrated a deaf usage of English superior to that of a hearing person.

I can just giggle along with you..

I am not sure what the funniest part of this picture is. Is it the fact that I am stone deaf? Or the fact that I know at least four languages better than english and live in a non speaking english country, while someone with english as a native(?) language, who argue about the highly questionable importance of language immersion in a second language, fail to make a reply that makes sense gramatically?

At least, it makes the very idea of oralism more hysterical to me