Mini ice age? UK and everywhere else north of Latitude 45 degrees?

[kokonut]

Why not both? Mankind can only learn to live with it, otherwise we will be just a flash in the pan like the dinosaurs.

It is both. Earth has had both ice age and warm phases but we are experiencing an unusual long warm phase after our last ice age some 13,000 years ago when ice sheets began retreating from the United States (geographically speaking). Past geological history show that past warm phases lasted at best several hundred years. We're in our like 12,000th year of warm climate - relatively speaking.

Dinosaurs been around for few hundreds of millions of years. Humans? We are in that "flash in the pan" period right now, not even come close to cracking 1 million years.

 

[kokonut]

So La Nina and El Nino is not a cycle??

Ocean warming killing off the sea life. Ocean cooling killing off sea life. Seen both of them through out my lifetime.

Inside a box if you ask me.

They're a part of the oceans' cycle. So is the multi-decadal (multi decades) cycles and other cycles not mentioned.

Creatures adapt all the time to changes in ocean temperature, salinity, dissolved CO2, ions, other geochemical changes and so on. Changes are not immediate but adaptations do occur.

You need to understand that there are thermal layers in the ocean and how circulation works those layers. There are millions of sea life species that adapt to a variety of temperatures, depths, and other environmental conditions from the North Pole all the way to the South Pole.

I'd say that over-fishing and local/regional pollution are hurting many plant and animal species in the ocean rather than CO2 or the perceived increase in rising ocean temperature.

 

[Babyblue]

There are multitudes of research results covering oxygen-isotope studies from sea core samples that go back a few million years that show with geochemical analysis that temperature goes up and then CO2 concentration rises afterwards by a lag time of several hundred years as a *initial response* to rising temperature.

You need to understand that there is no proof that the rising CO2 directly causes rising temperature. There are two possibilities. Rising temperature goes up first and then CO2 conentration rises afterwards. Or rising CO2 go up first and then rising temperature follows. The latter does not make sense simply because of the long lag time such as, for example, the ocean when it comes to temperature inertia. It takes a lot of heat or energy just to raise the overall ocean's temperature which can take decades...not years. And the ocean is one of the biggest carbon sink and release with warmer waters it releases more CO2 while cooler waters are able to store or absorb more CO2. It is so complex we still are trying to understand it and the role it plays with our climate system.

The human population contributes about 2 to 3% of the CO2 into the atmosphere. Total percentage of CO2 makes up about .038 percent of the total atmosphere. That means man contributes less than 1/10 of 1 percent (.001) of the total atmosphere. Earth alone exchanges CO2 gases much, much more than man can release.

You might think that going from 280 ppm to 380 ppm is a lot but when it comes to volume the change in percentage is very, very small (ie. a 1/100th of a percent change) which does not correlate well with temperature change.

Only took a short time to see the mantees crowd up in the springs and power plants for warmth.

Only took a short time to see the sea turtles. go into cold shock that the aquariums all over are taking them in..

Only took a short time to see a major fish kill due to the cold waters in the Gulf..

This is only the Florida waters I am speaking of...

Short chills and warmth... is what people keep digging into.. It is by far a long term situation......

Hence the cycle..

Tell me when we have blasing heat in the winter months or when we have snow in the summer..

 

[Beowulf]

It is both. Earth has had both ice age and warm phases but we are experiencing an unusual long warm phase after our last ice age some 13,000 years ago when ice sheets began retreating from the United States (geographically speaking). Past geological history show that past warm phases lasted at best several hundred years. We're in our like 12,000th year of warm climate - relatively speaking.

Dinosaurs been around for few hundreds of millions of years. Humans? We are in that "flash in the pan" period right now, not even come close to cracking 1 million years.

Yup, and in a blink of the eye the mammoths were gone. I saw some show where some folk ate mammoth meat frozen for ten thousand years. They declared it tasted like rotten meat.
Anyway, carefully note I do not blurt CO2 in here.

 

[kokonut]

Only took a short time to see the mantees crowd up in the springs and power plants for warmth.

Only took a short time to see the sea turtles. go into cold shock that the aquariums all over are taking them in..

Only took a short time to see a major fish kill due to the cold waters in the Gulf..

This is only the Florida waters I am speaking of...

Short chills and warmth... is what people keep digging into.. It is by far a long term situation......

Hence the cycle..

Tell me when we have blasing heat in the winter months or when we have snow in the summer..

No fish were killed in the Gulf of Mexico's water because of the cold. It was the domestically grown fish in *ponds* that died because of the lack of algae grown at the water surface that the fish feed on.

As for manatees and turtles, these are shallow freshwater where the cold has had a more direct impact on these water. These creatures do not breathe underwater and must stay near the surface where the water has cooled because of the outside cold air.

 

[Babyblue]

No fish were killed in the Gulf of Mexico's water because of the cold. It was the domestically grown fish in *ponds* that died because of the lack of algae grown at the water surface that the fish feed on.

As for manatees and turtles, these are shallow freshwater where the cold has had a more direct impact on these water. These creatures do not breathe underwater and must stay near the surface where the water has cooled because of the outside cold air.

Frigid Gulf water creating fish kills

MADEIRA BEACH - Salt water fish have taken a big hit from the recent cold spell. Dozens of fish kills have been reported to the state fish and wildlife commission, from all over the state. Authorities say the damage is scattered, and impossible to measure.

The Florida Fish and Wildlife Commission reports more than 100 calls to its "fish kill hotline" since last week, most of them over the weekend.

"I don't know if there's anyway to really determine the numbers," said spokesperson Carli Segelson. "Because just the nature of it, the fish may be eaten or washed away or carried off."

Segelson says the calls come from all around the state.

Locally, a quick boat ride into the intracoastal waterway near Madeira Beach revealed a wide variety of species affected by the cold: snook, ladyfish, triggerfish, perch, angel fish, red grouper, mangrove snapper and catfish.

Crabber Brian Spaeth said he saw much of it firsthand early in the morning.

"I saw a bunch of dead snappers, and red grouper and I saw a dead sea turtle," he said.

None of the fish kills reported so far rival those of red tide, a microorganism that can kill thousands of fish. Northerly winds may be keeping larger, deep water victims offshore.

"The other thing about the fish kill is that the cold weather can make them more susceptible to disease, so we may not see all of the full affects now," FWC's Segelson said.

 

[Babyblue]

Direct or indirect impact.. It still is making an short term impact...

 

[kokonut]

You said:

Only took a short time to see a major fish kill due to the cold waters in the Gulf..

There is no evidence of that.

Secondly it was the intercoastal waterways that they are seeing the impact where shallow water ways are easily affected by the cold than the deep Gulf of Mexico ocean.

Sure, it's making an impact. Not so much over water than compared to on land or by creatures that must breathe outside air.

 

[Foxrac]

You said:


There is no evidence of that.

Secondly it was the intercoastal waterways that they are seeing the impact where shallow water ways are easily affected by the cold than the deep Gulf of Mexico ocean.

Sure, it's making an impact. Not so much over water than compared to on land or by creatures that must breathe outside air.

Global warming that caused by CO2 is just ironic, unproved and odd, is it right?

 

[Babyblue]

You said:


There is no evidence of that.

Secondly it was the intercoastal waterways that they are seeing the impact where shallow water ways are easily affected by the cold than the deep Gulf of Mexico ocean.

Sure, it's making an impact. Not so much over water than compared to on land or by creatures that must breathe outside air.

The same impact as your "Mini Ice Age" claim to be...

Cold snap perhaps would suit it better.. Because that is all I consider this to be..


a cycle indeed... La Nina... El Nino... etc.. a cycle. Just like the seasons that changes over the months..

 

[shel90]

Let's find a scientist like the character Dennis Quaid played in the movie, "Day After Tommorow" and we will get our answers.

 

[kokonut]

The same impact as your "Mini Ice Age" claim to be...

Cold snap perhaps would suit it better.. Because that is all I consider this to be..

a cycle indeed... La Nina... El Nino... etc.. a cycle. Just like the seasons that changes over the months..

They weren't calling this cold spell a "mini ice age" if that is what you're referring to.

 

[kokonut]

Global warming that caused by CO2 is just ironic, unproved and odd, is it right?

Tell you what.

Get a 1 liter plastic coke bottle (or any soft drink). Make sure it's empty. The volume of that bottle is the same as 1000 mL (milliliter).

Let this empty bottle represent the total volume of atmospheric gases (CO2, air, methane, water vapor, nitrogen, etc) around the world.

If the current CO2 concentration is now 380 ppm or .00038 of (.038 percent) the total volume of atmospheric gases which is the same amout as 0.38 mL in that 1 liter coke bottle representing our atmosphere.

To put that into context, 0.38 mL is the equivalent of about 7 drops of liquid which represent the total CO2 gases in our (coke bottle) atmosphere. Man emits about 3 percent of the total CO2 gases, that's about 1/5 th of a drop of liquid which would fill this "O" space.

380 ppm isn't alot when it comes to scale when compared to the total volume of our atmosphere. 380 ppm = 380/1,000,000 = .00038.

Very, very small. Especially if compared to water vapor which 78 times more voluminous in our atmosphere than CO2.

 

[Foxrac]

Tell you what.

Get a 1 liter plastic coke bottle (or any soft drink). Make sure it's empty. The volume of that bottle is the same as 1000 mL (milliliter).

Let this empty bottle represent the total volume of atmospheric gases (CO2, air, methane, water vapor, nitrogen, etc) around the world.

If the current CO2 concentration is now 380 ppm or .00038 of (.038 percent) the total volume of atmospheric gases which is the same amout as 0.38 mL in that 1 liter coke bottle representing our atmosphere.

To put that into context, 0.38 mL is the equivalent of about 7 drops of liquid which represent the total CO2 gases in our (coke bottle) atmosphere. Man emits about 3 percent of the total CO2 gases, that's about 1/5 th of a drop of liquid which would fill this "O" space.

380 ppm isn't alot when it comes to scale when compared to the total volume of our atmosphere. 380 ppm = 380/1,000,000 = .00038.

Very, very small. Especially if compared to water vapor which 78 times more voluminous in our atmosphere than CO2.

Oh interesting, thanks for rich informed about global warming and someone has questioned me about arctic weather in south is caused by global warming so I said no since I doubtfully that global warming cause it.

 

[Babyblue]

Tell you what.

Get a 1 liter plastic coke bottle (or any soft drink). Make sure it's empty. The volume of that bottle is the same as 1000 mL (milliliter).

Let this empty bottle represent the total volume of atmospheric gases (CO2, air, methane, water vapor, nitrogen, etc) around the world.

If the current CO2 concentration is now 380 ppm or .00038 of (.038 percent) the total volume of atmospheric gases which is the same amout as 0.38 mL in that 1 liter coke bottle representing our atmosphere.

To put that into context, 0.38 mL is the equivalent of about 7 drops of liquid which represent the total CO2 gases in our (coke bottle) atmosphere. Man emits about 3 percent of the total CO2 gases, that's about 1/5 th of a drop of liquid which would fill this "O" space.

380 ppm isn't alot when it comes to scale when compared to the total volume of our atmosphere. 380 ppm = 380/1,000,000 = .00038.

Very, very small. Especially if compared to water vapor which 78 times more voluminous in our atmosphere than CO2.

Don't forget to add the trees along with other O2 devices in that bottle and the other factors.. that we have on earth..


Can't just put in that little (coke bottle) the whole atmosphere..

Not as easy as you think......

 

[flip]

Let me explain what's going on here. It's HAARP. It has nothing with CO2 or climate to do. AGW is a hoax invented to profit on fear. It's easy to prove, just take two and another two, and notice how it becomes four. One have to be a lunatic or servere undereducated with some lowered mental functions to believe "scientists" when they claim CO2 is causing warming.

Ok, let't talk FACTS! A High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program radar facility in norway punctured the thermosphere and sent the whole north hemisphere into a horrible cold weather. This was first reported by russian scientists to Putin.

It's all over the internet. Read and you will realize that politicans and scientists are a bunch of liars. First this AGW bullshit, and now they are ruining the weather with HAARP. What's next?

Global Winter Storms & Norway Spiral HAARP Connection? | Wake Up From Your Slumber

 

[netrox]

flip, you need to stop wearing a tin foil hat. The sources you cited come from conspiracy websites. Hardly reliable.

 

[Jiro]

flip, you need to stop wearing a tin foil hat. The sources you cited come from conspiracy websites. Hardly reliable.

that website was comical. Wake Up From Your Slumber | The Truth Will Set You Free and look at its topics. comical!!!! I'm reading some of it now while I'm eating cuz oddly enough - it improved my bowel movement.

 

[kokonut]

Don't forget to add the trees along with other O2 devices in that bottle and the other factors.. that we have on earth..

Can't just put in that little (coke bottle) the whole atmosphere..

Not as easy as you think......

You misunderstand. This example is about understanding the ratio between the amount of CO2 in our atmosphere by volume and the total atmospheric gases by volume in our atmosphere. The empty bottle represents all of the gases in our atmosphere. The amount of CO2 in comparison would be equivalent of about 7 drops of liquid in a 1 liter bottle. And man's emission would take up 1/5 th of that one drop of liquid.

In other words, 380 ppm is quite small in a volume of 1,000,000 parts. Or 0.00038.

 

[kokonut]

AGW is a hoax invented to profit on fear.

Yep. Anthropogenic Global Warming is a hoax. Thank you.