Mini ice age? UK and everywhere else north of Latitude 45 degrees?

Texan Guy said:
Who says global warming threating us?
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Some of them, especially Jiro and netrox should confess that global warming is threating us.
 
netrox said:
Scientists already predicted that winters will be harsh because of changes.... and said that it will be a normal variability... and that we will continue to get warmer.

Don't get all excited over sudden "ice age" because you have to wait for several years to declare "ICE AGE" .. ok?
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We've been warming since the little ice age beginning some 400 years ago. Heck, even since the Medieval Period some 1000 years ago to 400 years did it take that long to cool even while CO2 concentration was increasing.

So? All part of this normal variability. Unless you're trying to say that correlation equals causation about CO2 then?

You know that the ocean is getting cooler, right? And that it's thermal inertial takes decades to change? You know that the Antartica waters isn't getting warmer, right? You know we've been in this very unusual and prolonged warm period ever since our last ice age some 13,000 years when in the past such warm periods only lasted a few hundred years before plunging into an ice age again?

But of course, increase in CO2 is the principal culprit of causing Earth to heat up, boil over and raise sea levels by tens of feet.

Nice.
 
Foxrac said:
Some of them, especially Jiro and netrox should confess that global warming is threating us.
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well - I wouldn't go as far as saying global warming is threatening us. It's more of localized environmental issue that concerns me more. However I do say that global warming is something that we should not ignore. We should address to it but our current approach to it is a farce. Al Gore is a bag of hot air.
 
netrox said:
Scientists already predicted that winters will be harsh because of changes.... and said that it will be a normal variability... and that we will continue to get warmer.

Don't get all excited over sudden "ice age" because you have to wait for several years to declare "ICE AGE" .. ok?
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:rofl:

Isn't it funny how so many anti-global warming people jump on a little cold weather to prove their theory about us being in between ice ages? :giggle:
 
CJB said:
:rofl:

Isn't it funny how so many anti-global warming people jump on a little cold weather to prove their theory about us being in between ice ages? :giggle:
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"Anti-global warming" implies that you believe that increase in CO2 concentration is solely responsible and direct control over the warming of Earth's temperature? When you say that that's what it sounds like. Otherewise saying "anti-global warming" would be incorrect since I believe in global warming and cooling as it's nature way, not man's influence (short of having an all out nuclear war).

One thing you need to understand, there is no proof that increase in CO2 causes directly Earth's global temperature to go up. And the second thing is that the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere makes up only .038 percent (or .00038) of the total volume of atmospheric gases compared to water vapor that range between 1 and 3 percent (or .01 to .03) which is 25 to 75 times more in concentration. Cloud cover has an immediate impact on warming and cooling than does CO2 by a very large margin. But the Earth and her climate system is much more complex than a simple CO2 explaination.

Let me ask you a question. How is wind produced? What is the source of it? The answer is obvious when you step outside on a cloudless day.
 
kokonut said:
"Anti-global warming" implies that you believe that increase in CO2 concentration is solely responsible and direct control over the warming of Earth's temperature? When you say that that's what it sounds like. Otherewise saying "anti-global warming" would be incorrect since I believe in global warming and cooling as it's nature way, not man's influence (short of having an all out nuclear war).

One thing you need to understand, there is no proof that increase in CO2 causes directly Earth's global temperature to go up. And the second thing is that the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere makes up only .038 percent (or .00038) of the total volume of atmospheric gases compared to water vapor that range between 1 and 3 percent (or .01 to .03) which is 25 to 75 times more in concentration. Cloud cover has an immediate impact on warming and cooling than does CO2 by a very large margin. But the Earth and her climate system is much more complex than a simple CO2 explaination.

Let me ask you a question. How is wind produced? What is the source of it? The answer is obvious when you step outside on a cloudless day.
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Sorry, let me rephrase. Anyone that believes that global warming is just part of a warming/freezing pattern.

Wind is produced by differences in air pressure. Wind is air traveling from an area with higher pressure to an area with lower pressure.
 
CJB said:
Sorry, let me rephrase. Anyone that believes that global warming is just part of a warming/freezing pattern.

Wind is produced by differences in air pressure. Wind is air traveling from an area with higher pressure to an area with lower pressure.
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What is the source of wind? What drives it? You described wind. What is the source of it?
 
Obviously not.

But the answer is obvious when you step outside on a sunny, cloudless day.
 
Global warming exists.

Aliens tell us that we are in violation of having our polar icecaps below the regulation size of Earth' category. And we might go to intergalatic court charged for being the dominant species with impulsive consumerism.
 
souggy said:
Global warming exists.

Aliens tell us that we are in violation of having our polar icecaps below the regulation size of Earth' category. And we might go to intergalatic court charged for being the dominant species with impulsive consumerism.
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I think Klaatu mentioned that in his speech back in 1951.
 
souggy said:
Global warming exists.
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Sure, it exists. So does global cooling. The argument is whether man is solely responsible for this global warming by emitting CO2 into the atmosphere....something that plants depend on. So, you're saying CO2 is totally, 100% the reason for global warming and that CO2 is directly contributating (ie. correlation equals causation) to the warming and causing global temperature to increase (yet the trend has been flat for 11 years when computer models back then said it'd be higher already by now)?
 
souggy said:
Global warming exists.

Aliens tell us that we are in violation of having our polar icecaps below the regulation size of Earth' category. And we might go to intergalatic court charged for being the dominant species with impulsive consumerism.
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You saw those jellyfish Crop Circles? :lol:
 
Go and dig deep enough into the Earth ground. You will find several layers of evidence of how climate changes and goes through a cycle.

Global warming, and Ice age theory... Seesh... cant be both gotta be just one.

So which is it???
 
What are you saying? The changing temperature whether warm or cold has been a part of Earth's natural history over the last few billion years. The question is whether man is the product and sole cause of Earth's warming up. I'd say, no. There is no proof of it. Just a theory which is claiming correlation equals causation and a main driver in a warming climate.
 
kokonut said:
What are you saying? The changing temperature whether warm or cold has been a part of Earth's natural history over the last few billion years. The question is whether man is the product and sole cause of Earth's warming up. I'd say, no. There is no proof of it. Just a theory which is claiming correlation equals causation and a main driver in a warming climate.
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The proof is in the Earths crust.
 
So La Nina and El Nino is not a cycle??


Ocean warming killing off the sea life. Ocean cooling killing off sea life. Seen both of them through out my lifetime.

Inside a box if you ask me.
 
Babyblue said:
Go and dig deep enough into the Earth ground. You will find several layers of evidence of how climate changes and goes through a cycle.

Global warming, and Ice age theory... Seesh... cant be both gotta be just one.

So which is it???
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Why not both? Mankind can only learn to live with it, otherwise we will be just a flash in the pan like the dinosaurs.
 
Babyblue said:
The proof is in the Earths crust.
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There are multitudes of research results covering oxygen-isotope studies from sea core samples that go back a few million years that show with geochemical analysis that temperature goes up and then CO2 concentration rises afterwards by a lag time of several hundred years as a *initial response* to rising temperature.

You need to understand that there is no proof that the rising CO2 directly causes rising temperature. There are two possibilities. Rising temperature goes up first and then CO2 conentration rises afterwards. Or rising CO2 go up first and then rising temperature follows. The latter does not make sense simply because of the long lag time such as, for example, the ocean when it comes to temperature inertia. It takes a lot of heat or energy just to raise the overall ocean's temperature which can take decades...not years. And the ocean is one of the biggest carbon sink and release with warmer waters it releases more CO2 while cooler waters are able to store or absorb more CO2. It is so complex we still are trying to understand it and the role it plays with our climate system.

The human population contributes about 2 to 3% of the CO2 into the atmosphere. Total percentage of CO2 makes up about .038 percent of the total atmosphere. That means man contributes less than 1/10 of 1 percent (.001) of the total atmosphere. Earth alone exchanges CO2 gases much, much more than man can release.

You might think that going from 280 ppm to 380 ppm is a lot but when it comes to volume the change in percentage is very, very small (ie. a 1/100th of a percent change) which does not correlate well with temperature change.
 
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