Mexico and United States border:

Do you support a border fence between Mexico and the United States?

  • Yes

    Votes: 26 68.4%
  • No

    Votes: 4 10.5%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 5 13.2%
  • I don't care

    Votes: 3 7.9%

  • Total voters
    38
It is NOT the government down there that don't do anything. The real problem is MONEY! In Mexico they got serious financial trouble. Now, that they have to clean up their acts that they have caused sometimes 20 years ago. What acts? Well, back then the government THINKS he can print as many bills (money) as it deems to him needed. But in reality once a country makes money more than whats worth, will face hyperinflation and cause out of control economy. My ex was from Mexico, and told me plenty. Down there they once have a jug of milk for 100 peso, now that the same jug of milk cost over 2,000 peso! Its more to the just govermnent and money, but money is the main focus of mexico government cafeteria of corruptions.

webexplorer said:
My opinion that we should sent our troops to Mexico because the Mexico government is not doing anything to help and protect their families. They should rebuilt a new government system and eliminate criminals from abusing people, gangs, raping girls, and female-slavery owners. Why? It is our neighbor. We have enough this problems too long, and our money has spent billions or trillions of dollars to block the property lines which is still leaking (breaking-in fences).
 
No, US-Canada border isn't that bad as US-Mexico! You wouldn't want to go down that border. I have seen both borders and know the difference. sigh

DeafMonkey said:
you mean same like Canada and Usa toll booth ??? let me know thanks :)
 
Rose Immortal said:
While it would have been better if Columbus hadn't come, at this point (unless someone here has a time machine...in fact, a sci-fi book I read has this very plot) what's done is done and we have to deal with the situation at hand.


It's intresting thou how most of those posting have
never been to Mexico. Most here have never walked
in the shoes of someone who has to leave there family
and come to work in a Country where they are not
wanted


I also don't think there is any deaf members here that
grew up in Mexico. If you would like to get an idea of
what it is like I suggest reading the book "A Man With No Words"
 
diehardbiker65 said:
No, US-Canada border isn't that bad as US-Mexico! You wouldn't want to go down that border. I have seen both borders and know the difference. sigh


Ah I got it now :) .. hmm I vote i dont know :D
 
Some Mexicans work very hard than most American employees.

The problem is that a few Mexicans do not understand the codes for building houses and digging trees (landscape) on property lines. Their boss did not provide the manual for them to read before they start a project because they still cannot read in English language. I do not think that it is not their fault because they are not customed to be in America.

Most restaurant owners hire them and they spend a lot of time in the kitchen than being outside during the day. Most of them work in the restaurants near ferry boat services.

My friend is a restaurant owner, and I visited them and know them a little for about three years. Last year, she moved to Florida from New England. Her employees decided and followed her path to work at her restaurant there. So far, I heard that every year the Mexicans and foreigns send a lot of money to their families in their country. They told me that Indian people (India) is the worst and the most rip-off business in the history in our country. Mexican is not quite that bad, but the problem is that they should not join a gang group in our country - that's what I saw on the news about it.
 
The real problem here is threefold, and NOTHING will be fixed until all 3 points are addressed by the government:

1) Stop companies from hiring illegal immigrants and taking advantage of illegal immigrants on the workforce. Illegal immigrants are here because they can get jobs. Without jobs, they will either resort to crime, or leave to find another place that they can work and support themselves and their families. Of course, this has bigger issues because many companies are able to offer low prices because they hire illegal employees. Without those illegal employees, their prices will be much higher, and no one in America wants to pay the real price of goods to hire real American workers.

2) Stop immigrants from being motivated to run into America and pop out children. Children born in America become citizens, and the government provides financial assistance to those families. Remove the motivation for those immigrants to have children here, and there'll be fewer border runs by pregnant women.

3) Enforce the laws on those already in the country! INS and border control are weak organizations that aren't funded enough or empowered to keep out those illegals. On top of that, politicans want the "illegal" vote because it's an easy group to keep happy. Just promise to toss them a few hundred dollars and they'll keep you in office. No one really wants to be tough on illegals because then the other politicians will win their vote. Yes, illegals can vote, thanks to the previous politicians looking to win votes giving them reasons to vote.
 
Dennis said:
The real problem here is threefold, and NOTHING will be fixed until all 3 points are addressed by the government....
Good points.
 
bbnt said:
It's intresting thou how most of those posting have
never been to Mexico. Most here have never walked
in the shoes of someone who has to leave there family
and come to work in a Country where they are not
wanted

I certainly want legal Mexican immigrants. A good many of the Mexicans I have met bring with them an excellent work ethic and general good principles. Not to say there aren't bad apples, but I do think it's probably fair to say that with the temptations of crossing illegally, doing it the RIGHT way is a positive sign of someone's character. Not only does it mean respect of law, it means that person has their family's safety in mind and isn't going to risk their lives in a run across the desert or other dangerous things like that.

I do understand that the situation in Mexico is one of extreme poverty. I haven't been there myself yet, but my father has been to rural Mexico twice on mission trips, seen it firsthand, and brought back the stories and photos. I intend to go someday when I'm out of school.
 
but I do think it's probably fair to say that with the temptations of crossing illegally, doing it the RIGHT way is a positive sign of someone's character


I think doing what you need to do to feed your
family is a positive sign of someone's character.

For some of these people waiting to get legal
document in todays political climate simply isn't
an option
 
I don't know.

Because my parents were born in Mexico and my mom's cousin sneaked out from Mexico to Texas to be with us. My hometown (Brownsville, Texas) is right across the border from Mexico.

Some of people couldn't afford to move to America, so they sneaked through the border. BUT, one thing I think they should put the fence because some people just come in with drugs. Where does the drugs came from? From South America. That's one negative I don't like about it.
 
bbnt said:
I wonder if years ago the Indians should have put up
walls to keep your ancestors out
Some of my ancesters are Indians and the whites tried to exterminate them. Should they do the same to Mexicans? :aw:

*meant in sarcasim at whole issue not bbnt*
 
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C.C.Sinned said:
Some of my ancesters are Indians and the whites tried to exterminate them. Should they do the same to Mexicans? :aw:

*meant in sarcasim*


In Arizona the Mexicans were here before the Whites. I am
not sure the Indians had any problems with the Mexicans
 
bbnt said:
In Arizona the Mexicans were here before the Whites. I am
not sure the Indians had any problems with the Mexicans

they didn't they respected each other.

I'm sure there was individual cases. Never on a large scale.


My Irish (who spoke only galiec), English and German ancestors immagrated thru Ellis Island. Irish & German had to learn to speak english.
 
History of Immigration

The history of immigration law in the United States provides an interesting backdrop from which to analyze this country's views of race and class, which are often reflected in laws concerning immigration. One example of this connection is the laws concerning denial of benefits to undocumented people in the United States. Such laws began taking form when people of color began immigrating to the United States in large numbers from developing nations. During the settlement of the colonies, immigrants arrived freely, limited only by the cost of travel, diseases, and the harsh environment found in the colonies. In the years before the American Revolution, immigrants came to the colonies from England, France, Germany, Holland, Spain, and Portugal. During this period, slaves from Africa were also forcibly brought to this country. The only immigration restrictions at this time were on criminals and public charges. These restrictions illustrated the hostility felt towards newcomers by colonists who had only just arrived themselves. Immigration was, however, still favored to the extent that the colonies needed more people for labor and development. It is important to note that extensive federal legislation dealing with immigration was not enacted for some time. At first it was unclear whether the federal government was given the authority by the Constitution to regulate immigration. Also, unrestricted immigration was still desirable as a means for obtaining labor and achieving growth as a nation. Discontent with an open immigration policy increased with the tremendous rate of immigration and with the change in the composition of immigrants. Between 1820 and 1880, political and economic conditions brought over 2.8 million Irish immigrants to the United States. German Catholic immigrants also came during the 1840s. American society did not accept the Irish Catholics and Germans, and movements to limit immigration began to form. After the Civil War, federal law began to reflect the growing desire to restrict immigration of certain groups. In 1875, Congress passed the first restrictive statute for immigration, barring convicts and prostitutes from admission. The 1875 Act also attempted to deal with the problem of Chinese labor in the West. Imported Chinese labor had been used since 1850, and the tension between the Chinese workers and the settlers of European descent ran high. Congress adopted a law outlawing so-called "coolie- labor" contracts and immigration for lewd and immoral purposes. In 1882, Congress took even stronger action in the Chinese Exclusion Act, the nation's first racist, restrictive immigration law. The Act suspended all immigration of Chinese laborers for ten years and forbade any court to admit Chinese people for citizenship. The Chinese Exclusion Act was finally repealed in 1943. Immigration was now seen as a threat to the United States economy, and Congress began expanding the list of "undesirable classes" hoping to upgrade the quality of immigrants and to limit overall entry.

Despite these efforts to decrease the flow, immigration continued to flourish in the United States during this time. By 1920 nearly 14 million out of the 105 million people living in the United States were foreigners. From this wave, Japanese immigrants experienced the worst state and federal antagonism. The Gentleman's Agreement of 1907, an accord between the United States and Japan to restrict Japanese migration, effectively ended the influx of Japanese nationals to the United States. California state law reinforced this anti-Japanese sentiment by prohibiting Japanese immigrants from owning property or leasing farmland. After World War I, Congress enacted the Quota Act, which limited the number of immigrants allowed to enter the United States to three percent of their nationality already residing in the country. Three years later, Congress decided to lower the quota to two percent. In 1942, California created the "Bracero Program," a Mexican labor program that allowed California agricultural employers to temporarily contract with approximately two million Mexican nationals for their labor in the fields. The agricultural industry benefited from this cheap labor until 1964, long after World War I ended. In spite of the Bracero Program, between 1939 and 1954, the INS deported three million undocumented and documented Mexican immigrants and U.S. citizens through an anti-Mexican campaign known as "Operation Wetback."

In 1986, Congress passed the Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA). The Act focused almost exclusively on illegal immigration. The IRCA dealt with undocumented aliens by imposing sanctions on employers, while simultaneously legalizing the status of undocumented entrants who had arrived prior to January 1, 1982. The IRCA also included provisions prohibiting discrimination on the basis of national origin or citizenship. Despite all of the provisions, the IRCA did not substantially restructure the immigration law as it pertained to immigrant and non-immigrant visas. The employer-sanction provisions of the Act penalize a person or entity who, for a fee, hires, recruits, or refers for employment an alien in the United States, knowing the alien is unauthorized, or who employs any individual without complying with the Act's employment verification system. Employers are also sanctioned if after hiring an alien, the employer continues to employ him or her knowing the alien has since become unauthorized. In the last few years, newly enacted immigration legislation has been motivated by rising anti-immigrant sentiments in the United States. In 1996, the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act (AEDPA) was passed. AEDPA is a comprehensive bill targeting terrorism and other crimes. The bill expands the grounds of deportability for immigrants convicted of crimes and narrows previous forms of relief. The anti-immigrant sentiment also surfaced in the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996. This Act, known as the "welfare reform" bill, made major changes in the public benefits available to legal immigrants. The Act makes even permanent residents ineligible for most federal benefits. Congress intended for the Act to encourage self-sufficiency and remove the supposed "extra incentive" for migrating to the United States either legally or illegally.

The rise of anti-immigrant legislation continued with the enactment of the Illegal Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (IIRAIRA). IIRAIRA is a sweeping piece of immigration reform which focuses on the quick removal of undocumented immigrants. IIRAIRA allows for an increase in criminal penalties for immigration-related offenses and enhanced enforcement authority. The main objectives of the Act are to allow for expedited removal process upon entry, withdrawal of judicial review for certain forms of relief, expansion of the definition of aggravated felony, benefit limitations for non-citizens, and time limitations for filing asylum claims. The implication of this new legislation will be far reaching and will have a negative impact on many non- citizens. Unfortunately, it is yet to be seen how these new provisions will be enforced through the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the courts.
 
i agree, Some Mexicans work very hard than most American employees, there is here, also i met 2 deaf family, they re illegal immigrant but working(they couldnt read english alway ask me for help, i dont understand no ssn how to work and tax?? boss hired them, arent boss in trouble? rent expensive they live in basement they nothing to complain, i think landlord treat them wrong think they cant complain or they d be found and deported so they remain patience :( they said they tried to apply for entering in usa before got declined many times so they sneaked here, one of family wife is preggy now seen dr got medical coupon from dshs :confused: we worked paid tax mexican illegally got medical coupons :dunno:
 
I can't help wondering why some companies like Walmart, for instance, tend to hire some immigrants and pay them lowly hourly wages to do essential jobs. It drives Americans out of jobs, etc.. I consider that it is unfair to us Americans (I know Americans want more money, etc). We, Americans, are considering as "expensive" to some companies, so they prefer to hire some immigrants to do work.

We discussed about it few months ago and noticed some patterns at some companies.
 
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