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The Canadian Press: FBI: Mexican forces used rifles to chase off US Border Patrol after shooting of teenager

FBI: Mexican forces used rifles to chase off US Border Patrol after shooting of teenager

By Christopher Sherman (CP) – 3 days ago

CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico — Pointing their rifles, Mexican security forces chased away U.S. authorities investigating the shooting of a 15-year-old Mexican by a U.S. Border Patrol agent on the banks of the Rio Grande, the FBI and witnesses told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

The killing of the Mexican by U.S. authorities — the second in less than two weeks — has exposed the distrust between the two countries that lies just below the surface, and has enraged Mexicans who see the death of the boy on Mexican soil as an act of murder.

Mexico's government says the number of Mexicans injured by U.S. immigration authorities has increased this year.

Shortly after the boy was shot, Mexican security forces arrived at the scene and pointed their guns at the Border Patrol agents across the riverbank while bystanders screamed insults and hurled rocks and firecrackers, FBI spokeswoman Andrea Simmons said. She said the agents were forced to withdraw.

"It pretty quickly got very intense over on the Mexican side," she said, adding that FBI agents showed up later and resumed the investigation, even as Mexican authorities pointed guns at them from across the river.

Simmons said the forces were soldiers, but Mexico's Defence Secretary later released a statement saying soldiers were not present at the reported confrontation.

Enrique Torres, spokesman for the joint federal, state and municipal police operation in Chihuahua, said federal and local Mexican police were at the scene but not any soldiers.

A relative of the dead boy who had been playing with him told the AP that the Mexicans — who he described as federal police, not soldiers — pointed their guns only when the Americans waded into the mud in an apparent attempt to cross into Mexico.

The Mexican authorities accused the Americans of trying to recover evidence from Mexican soil and threatened to kill them if they crossed the border, prompting both sides to draw their guns, said the 16-year-old boy who asked not to be further identified for fear of reprisal.

The confrontation occurred Monday night over the body of Sergio Adrian Hernandez Huereka, who died of his wounds beside the column of a railroad bridge connecting Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, and El Paso, Texas.

Each government has made veiled accusations suggesting misconduct on the part of the other's law enforcement agents.

Hernandez was found 20 feet (six meters) into Mexico, and an autopsy revealed that the fatal shot was fired at a relatively close range, according to Arturo Sandoval, a spokesman for the Chihuahua state attorney general's office. Mexican authorities said a .40 calibre shell casing was found near the body, suggesting that the Border Patrol agent might have crossed into Mexico to shoot the boy.

That would violate the rules for Border Patrol agents, who are supposed to stay on the U.S. side — and could open the agent to a Mexican homicide prosecution.

A U.S. official close to the investigation told the AP that authorities have a video showing that the Border Patrol agent did not cross into Mexico. In fact, the official said, the video shows what appear to be members of Mexican law enforcement crossing onto the U.S. side, picking something up and returning to Mexico. The official was not cleared to speak about the video and spoke only on condition of anonymity.

Alejandro Pariente, Chihuahua state's regional deputy attorney general, said the U.S. Border Patrol has given him video which he is reviewing. He declined to describe it except to say that it has sped up the investigation.

The two killings have provoked anger in Mexico like no other recent controversy surrounding immigration, including Arizona's new law making it a state crime to be an illegal immigrant and President Barack Obama's decision to send the National Guard to the border.

Although many Mexicans were unhappy with both initiatives, popular and official reaction had been subdued, in contrast to street protests seen in previous years when the U.S. has cracked down on the border. Many Mexicans have since given up hope for a quick solution to the immigration problem, while other issues including growing drug violence have taken centre stage in relations between the two countries.

That has started to change with the back-to-back deaths of two Mexicans at the border: the teenager killed Monday, and migrant Anastasio Hernandez, 42, who died after a Customs and Border Protection officer shocked him with a stun gun at the San Ysidro border crossing that separates San Diego and Tijuana, Mexico.

Anastasio Hernandez, who had lived in the U.S. since he was 14, was buried in San Diego on Wednesday.

As night fell in El Paso, nearly 100 residents gathered for a candlelight vigil near the site of the shooting of the 15-year-old.

Participants, many clad in black, carrying candles and trailing a sign that read "Militarization costs lives too," walked a couple blocks to the end of a public road about 100 yards from the railroad bridge spanning the border.

"It's partially standing up to voice our concerns about this very unequal response to people throwing rocks," said Yolanda Leyva, a history professor at the University of Texas-El Paso who spoke at the vigil. The gathering also showed solidarity with the people of Juarez and called for a thorough investigation, she said.

South of the border, Mexican news media were filled with images of the 15-year-old's bloody body and his grieving relatives. One tabloid ran a large photograph on its cover, with the banner headline "Gringaderas," salty slang that roughly translates as "things Americans do."

Mexican President Felipe Calderon pledged to "use all resources available to protect the rights of Mexican migrants," and his foreign secretary, Patricia Espinosa, said Mexico wasn't taking the Americans' word that the Border Patrol agent had been defending himself from rock-throwers when he opened fire.

Chihuahua state Gov. Jose Reyes Baeza blamed the two killings on racism fueled by Arizona's law.

"We believe that this killing, the second in recent days in the border between the two countries, is due to xenophobia and racism, derived from the approval of Arizona's anti-immigration law," Reyes said.

Mexico's Foreign Relations Department said its records indicate the number of Mexicans killed or wounded by immigration authorities rose from five in 2008 to 12 in 2009 to 17 so far this year, which is not half over. However, two killings in such a short period is rare.

Meanwhile, the Border Patrol released statistics showing that assaults on agents along the border between El Paso, Texas, and Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, were on pace to far exceed totals in the previous four years.


Since October of last year, Border Patrol agents in the El Paso sector have been assaulted 33 times, compared with 39 times in the previous fiscal year. Twenty-nine of those incidents were rock-throwing, compared to 31 such incidents in all of fiscal 2009.

That's what happened Monday night, when suspected illegal immigrants who ran back to Mexico began throwing rocks at Border Patrol agents detaining other immigrants, Simmons said.

At least one rock came from behind the agent, who was kneeling beside a suspected illegal immigrant whom he was holding prone on the ground, Simmons said. The agent told the rock throwers to stop, then fired his weapon several times, hitting the boy, she said. The FBI is leading the investigation because it involves an assault on a federal officer.

The agent was not injured, Simmons said.

T.J. Bonner, president of the union representing Border Patrol agents, said rock throwing aimed at Border Patrol agents is common and capable of causing serious injury.

"It is a deadly force encounter, one that justifies the use of deadly force," Bonner said.

Mexicans ridiculed that stance.

"Let's say that Anastasio and Sergio Adrian attacked the border agents, one with his fists and the other with rocks," columnist Manuel Jauregui wrote in the newspaper Reforma. "Does that mean that killing them was the only valid option?"


Are there any MSM outlets in the US that are making this public?
 
Note the comment made by the relative playing with the victim, which you did not make bold: "A relative of the dead boy who had been playing with him told the AP that the Mexicans — who he described as federal police, not soldiers — pointed their guns only when the Americans waded into the mud in an apparent attempt to cross into Mexico."
 
Note the comment made by the relative playing with the victim, which you did not make bold: "A relative of the dead boy who had been playing with him told the AP that the Mexicans — who he described as federal police, not soldiers — pointed their guns only when the Americans waded into the mud in an apparent attempt to cross into Mexico."

Yep. The pertinent information is never bolded and always ignored. It's called selective reading.:roll:
 
Note the comment made by the relative playing with the victim, which you did not make bold: "A relative of the dead boy who had been playing with him told the AP that the Mexicans — who he described as federal police, not soldiers — pointed their guns only when the Americans waded into the mud in an apparent attempt to cross into Mexico."

I certainly noticed it .... so is it ok for border patrol agents to kill those wading in the mud coming towards America?


I would think so, since Mexican officials think it is perfectly appropriate to the same ;)
 
If they are interfering with a police investigation, then yes, the law says that they can be stopped using any means necessary.
 
I certainly noticed it .... so is it ok for border patrol agents to kill those wading in the mud coming towards America?


I would think so, since Mexican officials think it is perfectly appropriate to the same ;)

I agree with you.

It is a shame that an innocent life was lost.
 
I certainly noticed it .... so is it ok for border patrol agents to kill those wading in the mud coming towards America?


I would think so, since Mexican officials think it is perfectly appropriate to the same ;)
Is it ok for US border patrol to shoot, and kill, a 15 year old boy, but not OK for Mexican border patrol to prepare to defend themselves? Seems to me they might have been worried about more gunfire directed into Mexico.
 
I agree with you.

It is a shame that an innocent life was lost.

Border agents and American citizens were killed by illegals and even by Mexican authorities. There were armed incursions by Mexican soldiers and police into the United States as well.

Testifying before a U.S. Senate panel, Homeland Security officials said that more than 400 public corruption cases involving federal, state and local enforcement personnel in the crime-infested Mexican border region have been solved in the last two years alone. Additionally, 576 corruption cases were opened in 2009 involving Border Patrol agents.

This makes the repeated Mexican military incursions all the more abominable, especially since U.S. officials know they’re occurring. Last year Judicial Watch obtained Homeland Security records documenting 226 incursions by Mexican government personnel into the United States between 1996 and 2005. Obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, the annual intelligence summaries of “Mexican Government Incidents” were designated as “limited official use” by the Department of Homeland Security requiring “special protection against unauthorized or inadvertent disclosure.”

Simply put, the government doesn’t want the public to know about these foreign invasions or that Homeland Security officials are aware that they’re occurring. This week’s incident was revealed in a San Antonio newspaper that quotes the Zapata County Sheriff who spotted the military chopper hovering over homes in the Rio Grande Plain region south of Laredo.

Armed personnel occupied the helicopter, which flew over a residential area known as Falcon Heights, just south of the Starr-Zapata county line, the sheriff said. He took pictures of the aircraft, which had the insignia of the Mexican Navy, and claims that U.S. military officials were informed of the incursion. This is an area where the U.S.-Mexico boundary is very clear because a major river and a large dam separate the countries, the sheriff points out.


Mexican Military Incursion In Texas | Judicial Watch

Mexico's govt, police, etc.. isn't quite the angels people are attempting to paint them with.
 
Border agents and American citizens were killed by illegals and even by Mexican authorities. There were armed incursions by Mexican soldiers and police into the United States as well.




Mexican Military Incursion In Texas | Judicial Watch

Mexico's govt, police, etc.. isn't quite the angels people are attempting to paint them with.

No where are there any examples of killings of U.S. officials by Mexican illegals in your post.:roll:
 
More reason to improve on securing our border.

Over-zealous and misguided attempts to "secure the border" (talk about rhetoric!) are exactly what leads to the violence. So...more violence to stop violence. Yeah, that makes sense.:roll:
 
You seem to enjoy twisting what others are saying.

You're the one that said you couldn't wait for the video to come out. No twisting was necessary. You spelled it out in black and white.:laugh2:
 
You're the one that said you couldn't wait for the video to come out. No twisting was necessary. You spelled it out in black and white.:laugh2:

your the one that implied what my intentions were. You spelled it out in black and white.

Are you a mind reader too as well as a psychic?

Perhaps the video would clearly show which side was at fault - just maybe, might be, could be what I was implying? :wave:

Liberals are always trying to shift the topic, shift blame then do some character assassination in the process. All while they promulgate the agenda of the enemy.

Its called "spin". It is the opposite of "fact". In fact, its artful BS, buts it is BS nevertheless.
 
your the one that implied what my intentions were. You spelled it out in black and white.

Are you a mind reader too as well as a psychic?

Perhaps the video would clearly show which side was at fault - just maybe, might be, could be what I was implying? :wave:

Liberals are always trying to shift the topic, shift blame then do some character assassination in the process. All while they promulgate the agenda of the enemy.

Its called "spin". It is the opposite of "fact". In fact, its artful BS, buts it is BS nevertheless.

I didn't imply anything. I stated it up front.

A mind reader is a psychic. No "as well as" needed. That implies "also". Since they are one and the same, they can't be an "also".:giggle:

Yeah, those danged liberals. We're all out to get you. Better put that aluminum foil hat on quickly! We mess with your brainwaves.:laugh2:
 
your the one that implied what my intentions were. You spelled it out in black and white.

Are you a mind reader too as well as a psychic?

Perhaps the video would clearly show which side was at fault - just maybe, might be, could be what I was implying? :wave:

Liberals are always trying to shift the topic, shift blame then do some character assassination in the process. All while they promulgate the agenda of the enemy.

Its called "spin". It is the opposite of "fact". In fact, its artful BS, buts it is BS nevertheless.

but not you? or the conservatives? you all speak the truth? only we speak the lies? is that what you're saying?
 
but not you? or the conservatives? you all speak the truth? only we speak the lies? is that what you're saying?

Yep, that is exactly what he is saying. :giggle: Overgeneralization always leads to paranoia.
 
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