Meat eater VS vegetarian/vegan

I have people tell me crap like this all the time.

"Human teeth aren't made to eat meat"
New flash, humans use tools not their teeth to tear apart food.

"A study done with Eskimos in the 1920's proved vegetarians are healthier, live longer and don't get cancer"
News flash, Eskimos hunt seals!!!!

Meanwhile, the two vegetarians down the street have broken more bones in one month than I have my whole life.

One question though, once we stop killing the animals where do you suggest we put them? And, has anyone thought about the fact that if we stopped eating meat there isn't enough food to feed us?

I'm not against people doing it, but you can't believe everything you read. Most of it is to gain money for political purposes, if not a ponzi scheme. You can't expect your donations to actually save animals any more than giving to the church helps hunger or the poor, it's solely for the purpose of future indoctrination.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
I have people tell me crap like this all the time.

"Human teeth aren't made to eat meat"
New flash, humans use tools not their teeth to tear apart food.

"A study done with Eskimos in the 1920's proved vegetarians are healthier, live longer and don't get cancer"
News flash, Eskimos hunt seals!!!!

Meanwhile, the two vegetarians down the street have broken more bones in one month than I have my whole life.

One question though, once we stop killing the animals where do you suggest we put them? And, has anyone thought about the fact that if we stopped eating meat there isn't enough food to feed us?

I'm not against people doing it, but you can't believe everything you read. Most of it is to gain money for political purposes, if not a ponzi scheme. You can't expect your donations to actually save animals any more than giving to the church helps hunger or the poor, it's solely for the purpose of future indoctrination.
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I believe it depends on your genetic background. For instance, some are more accustomed to large portions of meat while some are more accustomed to large portions of vegetables and little portions of meat. There are some places where people eat a large amount of seafood while some places where people eat virtually no seafood at all.

Besides, we don't call them Eskimos anymore. They are known as Inuits. Eskimos is what we originally called them, but they prefer to be called Inuits. Eskimos is no different than calling an African-American a coloured person.

Regarding the question about where we'll put the animals once they are no longer being eaten. Well, keep in mind that most of the meat people consume come from meat farms where thousands and thousands of animals are lumped together with no room to move around. I truly doubt that there would be any issues with cows and chickens overcrowding the world. In fact, there are more chickens than there are people in the world. But this is only because we set them to be that way since they mostly live on the farms. If they were in the wild, they wouldn't breed as often as they do on the farms.

I do eat meat. I often eat chicken and fish, but I don't consume much red meat.
 
Banjo said:
I believe it depends on your genetic background. For instance, some are more accustomed to large portions of meat while some are more accustomed to large portions of vegetables and little portions of meat. There are some places where people eat a large amount of seafood while some places where people eat virtually no seafood at all.

Besides, we don't call them Eskimos anymore. They are known as Inuits. Eskimos is what we originally called them, but they prefer to be called Inuits. Eskimos is no different than calling an African-American a coloured person.

Regarding the question about where we'll put the animals once they are no longer being eaten. Well, keep in mind that most of the meat people consume come from meat farms where thousands and thousands of animals are lumped together with no room to move around. I truly doubt that there would be any issues with cows and chickens overcrowding the world. In fact, there are more chickens than there are people in the world. But this is only because we set them to be that way since they mostly live on the farms. If they were in the wild, they wouldn't breed as often as they do on the farms.

I do eat meat. I often eat chicken and fish, but I don't consume much red meat.
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You are correct. In addition, as applied to Inuits, or any other indigenous people...nutritional and dietary requirements can be altered over time based on the diet that is available. It's called genetic adaptation.
 
Banjo said:
I believe it depends on your genetic background. For instance, some are more accustomed to large portions of meat while some are more accustomed to large portions of vegetables and little portions of meat. There are some places where people eat a large amount of seafood while some places where people eat virtually no seafood at all.

Besides, we don't call them Eskimos anymore. They are known as Inuits. Eskimos is what we originally called them, but they prefer to be called Inuits. Eskimos is no different than calling an African-American a coloured person.

Regarding the question about where we'll put the animals once they are no longer being eaten. Well, keep in mind that most of the meat people consume come from meat farms where thousands and thousands of animals are lumped together with no room to move around. I truly doubt that there would be any issues with cows and chickens overcrowding the world. In fact, there are more chickens than there are people in the world. But this is only because we set them to be that way since they mostly live on the farms. If they were in the wild, they wouldn't breed as often as they do on the farms.

I do eat meat. I often eat chicken and fish, but I don't consume much red meat.
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Lactose Intolerance - What is Lactose Intolerance

This tell that certain cultures are lactose intolerance.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
One question though, once we stop killing the animals where do you suggest we put them? And, has anyone thought about the fact that if we stopped eating meat there isn't enough food to feed us?
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A) Animals are bred for meat. If we stopped eating meat, we'd stop breeding those animals, so finding a place to put excess animals wouldn't be an issue.

B) Actually, if we stopped eating meat, there'd be more food for us. A huge percentage of farm land is used for growing vegetables and grains that AREN'T for us- there's to be used as feed for the farm animals. I don't remember the exact statistics or anything, but remember reading that if all the farmland used for the production of meat was instead used to grow veggies and grains for people to eat, there'd be more than enough food to feed everyone in the world.
 
Banjo said:
Yes, a large number of Asians are prone to lactose intolerance.
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I trouble drinking milk when I was a baby , my mother had to buy me special milk . I am Jewish and one of niece can't drink cow milk at all.
 
radioman said:
No offense jiro, but you need to be educated on fish ponds. there are a number of fish ponds owners that are quite serious and they literally spend thousands of dollars on their ponds for enjoyment, etc.



This is the picture I fear is the problem. We DON'T need to go kill and prepare meat to eat. We are so SHEILDED from the process, we won't eat meat unless its already prepped and neatly packaged in familiar cuts of meat in the store. Before we had meat sent to a slaughterhouse days, we all would kill/eat meat. Very few vegans. Nowadays we are repulsed by a single drop of blood, unable to contain vomit watching human surgeries, killing our own homegrown animals for meat. People seems to associate this with human killing when in fact its not.

Now what? Jiro makes a good point- The old circle of life is changing. that is killing own meat to eat that was eating on natural grown foods to passing away and buried/cremated. Now a new circle of life has emerged. that is HUGE artificial grown foods including meats and veggies and farmers HAVE to adapt. problem is that USA is TOO expensive way to do it as we value our lives too high. farmers cannot do it cheaply since we as consumers complain of high prices so they buy from a country that CAN produce it cheaply as human life is cheaper over there.

SO who is at fault?! is it the times changing? for thousands of years we killed and ate own meat. in the last few decades that changed. It's not even a century long yet!!! I promise you--- if things continue it can get to the point where the scales of vegans vs meat eaters will change again and continue for a LONG time again. All it will take is a large event to happen. The KEY here is the word shielded from the actual process.
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We where kids then , I did go a turkey farm one Thanksgiving with a friend and we picked out a live bird for our meal. My famliy did not like the turkey as much a store brought one! The farm turkey was too ' wild tasting' and not all pumped up to look like a muscle turkey! So we went back to having
a store turkey for Thanksgiving!
 
Banjo said:
I believe it depends on your genetic background. For instance, some are more accustomed to large portions of meat while some are more accustomed to large portions of vegetables and little portions of meat. There are some places where people eat a large amount of seafood while some places where people eat virtually no seafood at all.
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I agree. It is true that the diet of humans has varied over the last million years, given location, but it is not an indication of health so much as survival. Given that, what is proven is that we can survive on either meat or vegetables, therefor, it follows that we are omnivores.

People also believe Atkins is a holy grail as well which I do not believe is healthy either. IMO, you must have balance and even then health is a relative term, no diet is going to stop cancer.

My point is, neither vegetarian nor meat is better than the other, but they both achieve the same goal, survival.

Today, diet is a lifestyle choice (I follow this myself), but is the food making me feel better or am I feeling better about myself? Given a person who is healthy (not over or under weight), it is not an easy question to answer.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
We where kids then , I did go a turkey farm one Thanksgiving with a friend and we picked out a live bird for our meal. My famliy did not like the turkey as much a store brought one! The farm turkey was too ' wild tasting' and not all pumped up to look like a muscle turkey! So we went back to having
a store turkey for Thanksgiving!
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Although I've never had it, I've got friends who swear by organic chicken and say it tastes much better.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
I agree. It is true that the diet of humans has varied over the last million years, given location, but it is not an indication of health so much as survival. Given that, what is proven is that we can survive on either meat or vegetables, therefor, it follows that we are omnivores.
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The reason why we are omnivores by nature is because we are opportunistic eaters. We eat what we can to survive. At least that was how we were back in the past.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
I trouble drinking milk when I was a baby , my mother had to buy me special milk . I am Jewish and one of niece can't drink cow milk at all.
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I am not Jewish myself though I have Ashkenazi Jewish ancestors on my mother's paternal side and I'm pretty certain that I have Hunnish blood as well. When I was born, I developed a huge rash all over skin so my doctors switched me to Soy milk. As an adult, I am lactose intolerant myself. I can eat cheese or yogurt but forget drinking regular milk. it will make me gassy and bloated and gives me Diarrhea.
 
Well, the science of nutrition is young. There is so much information out there we do not understand, but they will help us understand what our ancestors ate, how they made them, and where they ate them from. What did the animals eat during the ancient times? What were they fed?

There is a [ame="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1602230749?ie=UTF8&tag=trevresa-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1602230749"]book [/ame]where this woman lived with Inupiat in Alaska for almost 20 years, and documented their lifestyle- it explains in details how they prepare their meals- meats and fats. There are photos of them gathering plants in the book. The Inupiat had to make sure the food won't go waste. So, I definitely think Inuit food is probably more diverse than it is expected.

She was mentioned in another [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Authentic-Alaska-Voices-Writers-American/dp/0803210418/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top"]book[/ame],too. Native writers talked about their lifestyle in Alaska. Unfortunately, Inuits now are abandoning their traditional methods of preparing their meals such as fermenting that works for their bodies. For example, there is a small section in the book about preparing Inuit ice cream. They originally make ice cream with seal oil. Now, Inuits use crisco and sugar that are not designed for their bodies.

Now, Cheese is very popular in Asian countries like Japan (Sakura), and China. It is still growing strongly. I know several Asians (some of them are native) go crazy over cheese, cheese, and cheese. Cheese contain small lactose or casein, so lactose intolerant people can consume it. I also learned that lactose intolerant are able to drink raw milk- cow or goat or sheep. Talked to several locals (lactose intolerant) here where they purchase raw milk from the local dairy farm, and they had no experience like flatulence and bloating.
 
I am worried about FDA that wants to ban all raw milks in our country because pasteurizing raw milk that killed good nutrients. It's because FDA still don't get it how important that we need alive enzymes as well.

Did you know that when you see the word RENNET on the ingredient - on any food package like cheese, this rennet is part of animal's stomach. In fact, some rennets contain animal white eyes along with the stomach depending which company use this process at the factory.

For vegetarians, you need to watch out the word rennet - don't buy it.

If the ingredient shows "enzymes" on the package, it is hard to tell for us which one: plant (microbe) enzymes or rennet enzymes. That's what we need to ask someone at the deli department and to find out which one is the right for us.

During WWII, they often use raw milks and even in the 1970's.

This is for your information. Hope that helps.

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Oh one more thing. Soymilk is a big problem now. Monstano Company added modified engineering food in soy for many soymilk products. You could use almond milk or coconut milk instead if you want to. We are still fighting with Monstano... we really want to kill the entire Monstano Company because this company have no business to interfere our food products. The company has been so secret to plant it without our knowledge or without our permission or even no label to let us know that it is added on the food products. Once we see the label on the food package, we will definitely never buy it.
 
webexplorer said:
I am worried about FDA that wants to ban all raw milks in our country because pasteurizing raw milk that killed good nutrients. It's because FDA still don't get it how important that we need alive enzymes as well.

Did you know that when you see the word RENNET on the ingredient - on any food package like cheese, this rennet is part of animal's stomach. In fact, some rennets contain animal white eyes along with the stomach depending which company use this process at the factory.

For vegetarians, you need to watch out the word rennet - don't buy it.

If the ingredient shows "enzymes" on the package, it is hard to tell for us which one: plant (microbe) enzymes or rennet enzymes. That's what we need to ask someone at the deli department and to find out which one is the right for us.

During WWII, they often use raw milks and even in the 1970's.

This is for your information. Hope that helps.

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Oh one more thing. Soymilk is a big problem now. Monstano Company added modified engineering food in soy for many soymilk products. You could use almond milk or coconut milk instead if you want to. We are still fighting with Monstano... we really want to kill the entire Monstano Company because this company have no business to interfere our food products. The company has been so secret to plant it without our knowledge or without our permission or even no label to let us know that it is added on the food products. Once we see the label on the food package, we will definitely never buy it.
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You do realize that drinking unpasturized milk has been found to be responsible for numerous diseases, usually occuring in children whose immune systems are not mature. These diseases can be, and have been, fatal.
 
jillio said:
You do realize that drinking unpasturized milk has been found to be responsible for numerous diseases, usually occuring in children whose immune systems are not mature. These diseases can be, and have been, fatal.
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We are aware of it. It's farmers' responsibility to deal with it. A fewer farmers especially young employees didn't proper way of how to clean the machines and others. I had been drinking raw milk for six years, and not a single that I ever get sick from it. I couldn't buy it because I moved far away.

It is too easy for anyone to report the health department about it. It does not matter what food product that could be harmful to our health. If you learn a little bit what is going on in the raw milk business the more you will understand why we choose it.
 
I read that babies and children died from unpasteurized milk, and that leaded to the beginning of pasteurized milk in the early 1900s. The heart disease among adults skyrocketed at the same time. It is still common to this day. Pasteurized milk is blamed for chronic ear infections in children to cancer and diabetes in adults. I think around 30-40% of the world's population produces lactase in adulthood. Overuse of antibiotics also contributes to lactose intolerance.

My mother and her family in Europe used to drink raw milk daily (grass-fed) on the farm, when she was a child. They were very slim. 10 years after WW 2, it was difficult for them in the US to look for raw milk around. She mentioned that babies should not be fed with raw milk until they get older. She and I consume queso fresco since I was a kid (traditionally unpasteurized in Mexico).
 
webexplorer said:
We are aware of it. It's farmers' responsibility to deal with it. A fewer farmers especially young employees didn't proper way of how to clean the machines and others. I had been drinking raw milk for six years, and not a single that I ever get sick from it. I couldn't buy it because I moved far away.

It is too easy for anyone to report the health department about it. It does not matter what food product that could be harmful to our health. If you learn a little bit what is going on in the raw milk business the more you will understand why we choose it.
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How are farmers supposed to prevent Brucillosis in a child who drank unpastuerized milk? Don't sell unpasteurized milk to the general public, that's how.
 
Barbaro said:
I read that babies and children died from unpasteurized milk, and that leaded to the beginning of pasteurized milk in the early 1900s. The heart disease among adults skyrocketed at the same time. It is still common to this day. Pasteurized milk is blamed for chronic ear infections in children to cancer and diabetes in adults. I think around 30-40% of the world's population produces lactase in adulthood. Overuse of antibiotics also contributes to lactose intolerance.

My mother and her family in Europe used to drink raw milk daily (grass-fed) on the farm, when she was a child. They were very slim. 10 years after WW 2, it was difficult for them in the US to look for raw milk around. She mentioned that babies should not be fed with raw milk until they get older. She and I consume queso fresco since I was a kid (traditionally unpasteurized in Mexico).
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Exactly. And in many countries are continuing to die from it.
 
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