first of all - you're jumping all over and your emotion is clouding your thought process. Take a deep breath and read slowly.
I am all for person's choice to eat meat or vegetable or both. Earthlings is not offering that choice. Earthlings is basically telling you to go vegan. If you beg to differ - forget about it. It's just back to merry-go-around.
You do realize that if more and more people are going vegan... this will mean:
1. meat farmers will be out of jobs and I'm referring to honest people
2. if meat farmers are out of jobs, that means we'll have to rely more on foreigners for meat especially Chinese which means more environmental pollution
3. corporations will simply switch over to vegetable businesses and abuse it the same way they abused animals. Our supermarkets will be filled with GMO and vegetables that will be mass-produced and raised in a disgusting way.
and you and the vegans will have no choice but to eat GMO and these disgusting mass-produced vegetables filled with chemicals & hormones because corporations said so and they pushed Congress to pass the laws that will put many good honest local vegetable farmers out of business. Plus - mass-produced vegetables mean an abuse on environment with heavy water consumption and rapid depletion of arid soil which means it's fastest way to severe erosion and drought.
You seem to have a problem with "killing" animals even though if it's a quick, painless death. You don't give a flying fuck if meat farmers even honest people going out of business. Looks like you're telling me and other people to give it up and be vegans.
If you want people to start thinking about the impact of their demand... then you need to be realistic and logical. and you need to accept the fact that animals need to be killed for our consumption and I'd prefer that animals be killed in a quick, painless manner.
I'd like factory farming to be significantly reduced (or even better - banned) but I'd like to see more local meat farmers. So what's the simplest way to do that? Easy - support your local farmers. and stop being a pig because we shouldn't be eating meat 3x a day and lots of meat. That's not normal.
What you wish for will not work. What Earthlings wants will not work. It's an an epic fail because it actually favors corporations. "Balance" (aka moderation) is not a favorite word for Fat Cats. If everybody is a meat eater or vegetarian - it's still $$$$$$ for corporations and they will take advantage of it in any way they want. The more people on either side - the more $$$$ they see.
Do you want that?
you're right earthlings does promote veganism in light of animal cruelty and huge environmental destruction of factory farming. does everyone who watch earthlings become a vegan? did this film suddenly destroy the farming industry? nope, like you said yourself, this film came out in 2005 and you don't see any significant impact and now you're saying well, this film is endangering the economy and veganism is a danger and a threat. I mean, you tell me to be realistic then you make statements like that. c'mon.
I dont think you read my post very well.
"You seem to have a problem with "killing" animals even though if it's a quick, painless death. You don't give a flying fuck if meat farmers even honest people going out of business. Looks like you're telling me and other people to give it up and be vegans. "
where in my post did I tell you and other people to give it up and become vegans? I said i am not going to let the income of a meat farmer, even an honest one, decide my diet for me. that should never be a deciding factor. the way you wrote, you made it sound like veganism/vegetarianism is immoral for it would hurt innocent people. I mean, that's just ridiculous. To begin with, there's nothing innocent about cultivating living breathing warm-blooded mammals who have feelings and emotions for the purpose of killing them and eating their flesh. Let's not pretend it's innocent. It's just simply a reality that that's what farming is. I have a feeling you would interpret this as being emotional and cloudy on my part. No, it's a fact. cows, pigs and chickens actually do have emotions and feelings. They may not express them the same way humans do but nonetheless, they have them. There's a reason farmers don't befriend their livestock, it's to detach themselves emotionally from those animals so they won't feel so awful when it comes time to kill them.
And you're still saying that people should not switch over to veganism or the poor meat farmers would be out of work and we would be forced to eat GMOs. ok, growing vegetables does not cost as much as raising cattle and it requires far less resources - I don't foresee a future of gmo vegetables taking over north america and vegans running amok. We are already growing too much grain in order to feed the animals, this environmental problem would go away if we cut down on meat consumption. you're talking about vegetable crops depleting the land and yet nary a word about the impact of agricultural on the environment - you're completely skimming over that.
Secondly, no, people do not NEED to eat animals. We now live in a world where transport across long distances is now possible and we have other options than eating meat. I can see why in some regions, eating meat is absolutely the only way to survive but most of us in the western world will not die from not killing and eating meat. again, this is a weak argument on your part.
And in no way did I say all people should switch to veganism and in fact, said it's very unlikely that there will be any huge conversion to veganism. You are reading things in my post that are not there. the only thing I've ever said was when we shop at Walmart or go to fast food chains, we are supporting factory farming and as such, animal cruelty and environmental destruction.
And again, china can barely get enough food to feed their billion plus population - that's why they're starting to import their food from abroad, what makes you think they can provide food for other countries? again, you're not reading my post or you're just skimming over it.
and I am being realistic about slaughter of animals, you asked if there was such a thing as humane slaughter and I am saying, when one witnesses how farm animals are usually killed, it doesn't look that humane. That humane slaughter is a contradiction in terms and now you're telling me to calm down. huh?
I think you're being obstinate. i am being real and honest and frank about the reality of farming. I would love for you to point out examples of my jumping all over the place with my emotions and thus clouding my thought processes in my posts, please do.
but i am noticing a pattern here of you asking me questions that don't seem very related to what i actually wrote. such as "you're saying there is no humane farms or slaughter?" when nothing I wrote suggested that.
And you're still presenting an argument that humans have to eat meat to keep checks and balances in the economy and because vegetable crops is bad for the environment. that's a lousy argument and a very silly one. if we cut out factory farming, lots of people will go out of work and production of meat will go way down and price of meat will go way up, why arent you saying "poor workers, whatever will they do? poor citizens...they can't afford meat as much as they used to..."
"What I wish for?" - what am i wishing for exactly? for factory farming to be abolished and for a far higher standards of animal welfare on farms. Of course it's not going to work, the dollar is king of all things on this planet. Factory farming means more meat and lower prices, and a huge huge huge income for the US - factory farming is one of the biggest industries not only in america but in the world - of course this will never be abolished - the us economy would sink without it.
I would appreciate it if you stop reading things in my posts that are not there or that I never said or implied just so you can make an opposing argument. I don't play coy or suggest laden meaning between the lines, what i said is what i said.
I think it's great you prefer to support local farmers, not factory farmers. But guess what, I'm mostly vegan because a vast majority of meat availabe in my country is from factory farming and what meats do come from local "free range" farms is very very costly so I buy meat for my son who is a meat lover and try to make as many dishes from what little meat I can afford to buy. Local free range chicken breasts - they go for about 7 dollars each. A whole free range chicken is about $20. Free range organic milk, about 6 dollars for 2 pints. Organic free range butter, about 10$ a pound. the free range organic turkey I bought for thanksgiving last year - $114 - yes, one free range organic turkey purchased from a local farmer cost me $114. My weekly shopping budget is 100$. so, in my efforts to avoid factory farming and support local farmers, i have no choice but to cut way way way down on meat and dairy consumption so again, your argument to support local farmers - you're not acknowledging that such support means far higher prices that many people cannot afford. Ironically enough, they will switch over to a more vegetables, beans and grains-based diet in their support for local farmers. so, danger danger! support for local free range farming will make people eat more vegetables! oh no! gmo vegetables loom in the horizon!
Secondly, if we can support local meat farmers, then what's to stop us from supporting local veggie farmers? why is one good but the other not possible? locally grown veggies are actually cheaper than grocery veggies, which is in stark contrast with locally grown meat being far more expensive than grocery store meat. Not only that, supporting local veggie farmers means indirectly supporting meat farmers because veggie farmers buy their fertilizer and manure from animal farms.
Anyway. if you think people should keep eating meat for the sake of the economy and to avoid the danger of gmo vegetables, then i don't know what to say to that other than "wow".
