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Steinhauer said:
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Something else I am curious about - I do know of people being born with 6 or 7 digits on each limb, and I wonder if they were a twin that only partially began cellular separation? In situations like that, I wonder if there are actually two people sharing everything? How could someone even determine that?
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Digits do not a person make--there has to be a brain for each person.
 
Reba said:
Digits do not a person make--there has to be a brain for each person.
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I know Reba, what I am alluding to, however, is the sharing of organs. I am not sure if I can explain what I mean, I know I can sign it though.

In psychology, we know of certain mental illnesses where a person as a 'split-personality" - I am not alluding to a mental illness - just using this as an illustration to explain what I am trying to get at.

When a person has 6-7 or 8 or even when they look like they have two hands and two feet for each limb, I am wondering if this was actually two separate twins that are permanently sharing every organ of their body - including the brain. how would this be determined?

The reason i am wondering this is because it appears two separate twins attempted to separate but did not do a complete separation.
 
Steinhauer said:
I know Reba, what I am alluding to, however, is the sharing of organs. I am not sure if I can explain what I mean, I know I can sign it though.
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You mentioned "digits" which would be fingers or toes, not organs. The polydactyly condition is a genetic mutation, not the result of twinning.

In psychology, we know of certain mental illnesses where a person as a 'split-personality" - I am not alluding to a mental illness - just using this as an illustration to explain what I am trying to get at.

When a person has 6-7 or 8 or even when they look like they have two hands and two feet for each limb, I am wondering if this was actually two separate twins that are permanently sharing every organ of their body - including the brain. how would this be determined?
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That sounds more like vanishing twin syndrome, where one twin dies in the uterus and the fetal tissue is absorbed by the surviving twin. Or it could be a parasitic twin, which is a type of conjoined twin that didn't fully develop.

If a person shares every organ including the brain, where's the twin? That is, if the person has one brain, one heart, two lungs, etc., how is that twins?

As to how that would be determined I guess a CAT scan would reveal whether or not there are two brains present. Two brains would mean two individuals sharing one body.

The reason i am wondering this is because it appears two separate twins attempted to separate but did not do a complete separation.
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If they had two separate functioning brains, then they are two people sharing one body. That's not the same as multiple personalities because those are people with one brain in one body.
 
Not all vanishing twins are obsorbed by the other baby. My oldest had a vanishing twin, some times the mother obsorbed it back and discards the waste which is what happened in my case, but in a vanishing twin the twin is always dead, or was never alive to start with

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DeafNerdMommy said:
Not all vanishing twins are obsorbed by the other baby. My oldest had a vanishing twin, some times the mother obsorbed it back and discards the waste which is what happened in my case, but in a vanishing twin the twin is always dead, or was never alive to start with

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Yes, we have a friend who had a vanishing twin that was absorbed by the mom.

In the days before sonogram technology was available, probably many more pregnancies resulted in vanishing twins but they just weren't aware of it because the twin was absorbed by the mom.
 
If a person shares every organ including the brain, where's the twin? That is, if the person has one brain, one heart, two lungs, etc., how is that twins?
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This kind of reminds me of the idea of Chimera twins- where one example is that the actual person is male but the DNA shows female characteristics. Would actually fit the term above of 'vanishing twin'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_(genetics)
 
The way medical science is going more will survive if left to nature the foetus or child would died.For myself I could not go through with pregnancy unless they could be separated.
Some years ago I was in Malta and two co-joined babies born because devout Catholic no abortion so babies were born but for one to live it meant one had to die but chance of other living was high parents refused separation it was taken to court big legal debate as both babies by now we're dying I think they were separated in the end against parents wishes .i not sure what final outcome is if one living.
With medical progress new boundaries ethics will need be re-valued revised .
I saw documentary about these girls and the other two women who joined at the head one pushes the smaller twin in a trolley
 
Thanks for the replies, I had never heard of vanishing twin syndrome, and that is something I will certainly have to read up on.

However, until the following pair of twins were born:

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/ca...-share-the-same-mind-122648544-237389971.html

I think it is safe to say it was a common belief that as an individual, we each had to have our own separate minds. This is belief, apparently, is not correct. One mind can be shared - as the twins in the above story illustrate, they can see with each other's eyes, read the thoughts of the other, feel the same emotions of the other.

So, if this is true, then is it possible that a pair of twins do not need separate brains? Perhaps one brain is sufficient - and the reason I alluded to the split personality example.
This just has me curious ... Not trying to challenge anyone's pov.
 
twining isnt 2 seperate beings, it is the splitting or division of a cell.... if the cell doesnt split completely then there is no twin, if it starts to split then stops it is still not a twin ( resulting in extra digits..ect...
But conjoined is a bit different such as sharing 2 bodies with 1 brain or 2 heads with 1 body or 2 being connected chest/hips/ect... and can be seprated surgically. Extra digits is just a deformity.
 
My grandfather was a doctor, I have a medical book that has every birth defect/deformity ever recorded in history. It is a very amazing book to look through. It has everything from tallest and shortest persons, elephant man, tumors, mysteries of the human body, conjoined/identical/fraternal twins, all diseases...ect...
We had his medical bag for house calls ( was very old ) with sealed vials of meds, dont know what happened to it, probly got tossed over the years sadly. But I still have his books packed away with mine.
 
sonocativo said:
My grandfather was a doctor, I have a medical book that has every birth defect/deformity ever recorded in history. It is a very amazing book to look through. It has everything from tallest and shortest persons, elephant man, tumors, mysteries of the human body, conjoined/identical/fraternal twins, all diseases...ect...
We had his medical bag for house calls ( was very old ) with sealed vials of meds, dont know what happened to it, probly got tossed over the years sadly. But I still have his books packed away with mine.
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My wife's uncle is a brain surgeon at Walter Reed. My mother in law told me a story about visiting him one time. She described a ward where severely malformed people lived. They cannot be in public for their own safety.
 
Steinhauer said:
My wife's uncle is a brain surgeon at Walter Reed. My mother in law told me a story about visiting him one time. She described a ward where severely malformed people lived. They cannot be in public for their own safety.
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My grandfather worked at a mental institution (Malcolm Blitz ) think thats the proper spelling, its no longer a mental ward, now its a home to help and teach those with disorders to live independently, like assisted living. The old hospital houses those who cant survive on their own, but outside on the grounds are apartment like homes where they learn and eventually move out on their own when ready.
I remember stories that the top floor was a scary place to be, the freaks would reach out and try to grab you, some were just down right scary to be around as they were very dangerous. The lower floors was more like a nursing home for mentals.
 
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