Make Polygamous Legal!!!

[Chrysanthe]

It was one of the reasons why people were afraid to approve the Amendment 3 last October on Election Day. People feared that if Utah allowed gay and lesbian marriages to be recognised, then that the polygamists would complain for their legal rights as well. Of course, these two are two entirely different things. In some polygamous relationships, there are some abuse and incest going on. I remember reading about Tom Green and his family in Eagle's Mountain. Most of Utah voted about 60 to 65% against the Amendment 3, although in Salt Lake County, which is home to about 50% of the Utah population, nearly approved the Amendment 3 55% No 45% Yes.

Also, Bewitched, the polygamists are not actually members of the LDS Church, but rather the RLDS or FLDS church, aren't they? (Reformed, or Fundamental).

I learned something new from you... you beat me to it. I gotta read newspaper and watch the news more often. *shrugs*

RLDS? I m not quite sure about that. RLDS was founded by Sidney Ridgon, was a former counselor/assisant with Joseph Smith. RLDS are not quite similiar to LDS church today. FLDS, since I learned from Sablecourt (sp? Sowwy, I can't remember how to spell his or her name, forgive me.) about FLDS, I learned more about it tonight. It made me feel uninadequate about the other religion that is related to Mormonsim. Tell ya the truth, I ve been busy with school, wedding and attending to church to study the bible and other religion discussion. I also went on 18 months mission in Salt Lake City, NYC, and Washington state. So most important for me to be close to the Lord! But, i will be interested to learn about RLDS and FLDS comparing to LDS by discussing with you and Sable.

 

[zawadigube]

My two cents...

Interesting topic here.

I've just returned from working in Kenya where polygamy is legal. In many African countries, men take more than one wife. A man with more than one wife is considered wealthy and powerful. Also taking more than one wife helps personal finances, at least in theory. In reality, the men I knew who were married to more than one wife often bemoaned their expenses. Hmm...

At first when I arrived, I was appalled by all that. But after living there for two years, my opinions changed. I don't think polygamy is horrible. After all (as one of you said) people do have affairs... But my one big beef is it's usually men who can marry more than once. Women can never take another husband. At least in Africa from what I know. I didn't like the inequality of that.

so anyway, you guys have great pictures next to your name. How do you do that??? I know I know... clear sign I'm way behind. But hey I was in Africa for two years! How the heck would I know any of this??? I'm still getting used to toilets. But I do like these smilies...

Julie

 

[sablescort]

thank you zawadigube (I hope I can get that Swahili spelling right) for posting about African polygamy. I apparantly overlooked that when I posted one about polygamy and the Muslim culture last night.

<---Had some wires crossed last night thinking about polygamy in other cultures.

 

[zawadigube]

ha how did you know it was swahili?? well the 'gube' part's from my last name. it's really zawadi - means gift.

anyway, well interestingly enough there is a large population of muslims in africa. but native tribes practiced polygamy long before the influence of islam. at least i believe so.

so tell me how people get avatars! :stupid:

 

[webexplorer]

There is nothing wrong with Polygamy...
I think it is okay for men or women to marry many people.

It is better than having an affair, right?

Many Men said they can't stay with just one woman. So I mean
Men can have 2 wives.

I am shocked to read your comment. Of course, it is not right.

Of course, it is very stupid for a greed single man produces more babies from different wifes in order to eliminate other families.

Miss Pinocchio - How do you feel that I have so many children with several wifes- not included you? I hope you understand the situation.

 

[Nesmuth]

If polygamy needs to become legal, keep it in Utah. How many "Sorenson" wives the AD guys have already? :3some:

Richard

 

[Reba]

It is better than having an affair, right?

No, it is not. Being faithful to one wife is better than having an affair.

Many Men said they can't stay with just one woman. So I mean
Men can have 2 wives.

There is no proof that polygamy prevents adultery. A man can be unfaithful to two or three wives, that same as one wife. Polygamy doesn't solve anything. If the guy's a dog, he's a dog no matter how many wives he has.

 

[Levonian]

I don’t know how true it is, but I lived in Zion NP for a year, and I was told that there are ‘polygamous towns’ in Utah where you could practice polygamy as long as you didn’t make a big issue out of it. Supposedly, Hurricane is one of them. I know a few people from Hurricane, and they don’t exactly strike me as being spawned from the deep end of the gene pool, if you get my drift. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was some serious inbreeding going on there.

 

[Nesmuth]

I wouldn’t be surprised if there was some serious inbreeding going on there.

Neither would I because I visited a LDS temple in Utah in 95 and scores and scores of the adult females there all looked alike some how which gave rise to my suspicion of inbreeding.

I dont even see that here in Ward 7 temple here in nearby Fullerton, California as the adult females in there are all different.

Richard

 

[kuifje75]

LOL, now I find this to be silly. According to Utah law, intermarriage are forbidden up to first cousins. Second cousins, I think it's legal.

After all, I have done my family genealogy, and I am not a member of the LDS Church at all, but have found an occurence or two of cousins marrying each other in my family background. It happens in all religions, not just the LDS Church.

As for some towns that practise polygamy, yes that is true. Saint George was an "escape" town after the State banned polygamy. Polygamists would move to Saint George and have their lives continued as usual there. Saint George is near the border of Arizona and Nevada, so if someone tried to come after them, they could cross the state line and claim amnesty.

 

[Chrysanthe]

Trust me...

For the LDS members who practices in polgamy is not allowed. They would be excommunicated. Period.

Trust me.... I am an active LDS member.

 

[Chrysanthe]

LOL, now I find this to be silly. According to Utah law, intermarriage are forbidden up to first cousins. Second cousins, I think it's legal.

After all, I have done my family genealogy, and I am not a member of the LDS Church at all, but have found an occurence or two of cousins marrying each other in my family background. It happens in all religions, not just the LDS Church.

As for some towns that practise polygamy, yes that is true. Saint George was an "escape" town after the State banned polygamy. Polygamists would move to Saint George and have their lives continued as usual there. Saint George is near the border of Arizona and Nevada, so if someone tried to come after them, they could cross the state line and claim amnesty.

What!? It s legal? You are right...it is silly! I wouldn't want to marry my second cousin.

Wait a minute.. I recall two deaf ladies in Utah, their parents are cousins. It made sense. That s freaky!!! I gotta find a loophole! *shivers*

 

[Tikra]

well from my point of view, I dont agree with it WHY? because of HEALTH issues such as AIDS (please dont bring up craps about gay and aids into this okay that include YOU Miss*Pinocchio!) which can passed through sexual actions among themselves.

I rather have one husband who have faith, trust, Love for rest of my life.

 

[DeafVeggie]

The LDS church made the smart move of outlawing polygamous practice way back then...I will tell you why:

First of all, I supported the LDS all of my heart by 100%... Anyone who practice polygamy is not a member of LDS and is excommunicated like what Bewitched had said (#31).


Ok, imagine yourself...


If we still practice it to this day right here in USA, a father who is the breadwinner will not be able to bring enough foods on the table to feed his wives and nearly triple-dozen of kids like as to what happened to Tom Green per Bewitched's #16, as an example.


If you are wondering how did Tom Green, a magazine subscriber salesman who makes only $15K a year, be able to feed his super-large family of 33 kids? He looked at my fat wallet and ate up most of it by through my hard-earned taxes! He applied for WIC (Women, Infant, and Children) welfare program. 33 kids x $300/ea = $9,900/mo. On top of that, he applied a low-income food stamps (including Medicaid) program that runs to about $15,000 a month. The total expedure that the State of Utah provides the Green's polygamous family is about $25,000 a MONTH and is still doing it as of today. :roll:


It was no wondered why the State of Utah's teacher salary is the lowest in the nation! They make about $25K a year! Utah does not have enough budget to boost teacher's salary. A federal-mandatory welfare programs that already gobbled-up so the precious financial educational resources which is intended for teacher's salary ended up for welfare support to those polygamous at uncontrolled rate now. :thumbd:


One of these days, I hope that the polygamous will be "cut-off" from those sizeable state-supported program. Then, everyone in the polygamous towns (including recent new town just formed in Eldorado, Texas earlier this year. Read this.) would be scattered everywhere finding better lives. By the way...Hey, Texans! Watch and grip your wallets because of that new town is now in your state! :Ohno: However, if you want a baseball cap that inscripts as "Polygamy capital of Texas", get it here.


Presently, the State of Utah have just formed a "shelter" program throughout the polygamous towns. If a wife wants to abandon from the polygamy family, all she can do is run to the shelter. Then, she'll be protected and transport elsewhere to be among us as "Gentiles". The same goes for children.


The saddest part is that a polygamy twin towns in Hildale, UT/Colorado City,AZ had tooo many young teens males. Not enough to meet their religious beliefs for having plural wives in the future. So what did the town do with them? Boot and go on with their own separate lives to be among us as a "Gentiles". By the way, kuifje's #17. Their religious is Fundamental LDS (FLDS). RLDS and LDS do not practice polygamy nowadays. Also kuifje's #30, the twin towns are noted. Not St. George or Nevada. If anything happens to them in Hildale, UT, they just walk across to Arizona side (Colorado City, AZ).


Personally, I am much rather to have my didlo to one juicy hole. I can only be able to handle one woman at a time as per Shiva's #33, not two or two-timers, or even worse affair fling (a 100% trust in marriage relationship evaporates afterward so Reba's #27 is right on the nose). Miss*P, if you are thinking of about having men going for another wives as per #10, consider them as a comparable to "orgy" (group sex). Supposed he had SI with wife #1, then next night wife #2, finally the next night you. With all of his didlo germs from those wives brings inside to your hole. Would you be happy and be satisfied? That's why I agreed with webexplorer's #25 by understanding of this situation.


Gay marriage and polygamy are different. Like as to what Fly's #6 and Oceangirl's #7 said. Gay marriage is made of an adult consent (both to agree together) to be married. Polygamy is different. A 12 years old (just barely after hit pubic) was forced to marry someone that she doesn't want. Her parents choose and like this guy and wants her to marry that guy, period. That's a big NO-NO! I agree with Magstsu's #5. Allow the kids to grow and be responsible for themselves....freedom of choice, too.


Bewitched, I resides in Utah's "Happy Valley" and am aware of what the heck is going on with those polygamy news. Polygamists are nuts and . Mark my word for it.

~DV

 

[The*Empress]

Well I guess USA will be under Dead Sea too.

 

[The*Empress]

God isn't blessing this country USA...

because we are in war with Iraq.
And we are in Deficit debts.

And the Terrorists are still trying to destroy us.

And Aids are increasing.

And Crimes are freaky high.

And jobs are awful.

So anyway....
there is nothing wrong with Polygamous. As long
as husband can afford it... it is his responsibility...
At least he won't cheat. It is better than divorce.
Better than women who are a single parent and
can't feed their kids.

 

[DeafVeggie]

God isn't blessing this country USA...

USA is still a "Promise Land" to those foreigners. Why Mexicans (illegal aliens) still coming here?

because we are in war with Iraq.

That country is improving better little by little, but very slow. However, I'll be damned if it is becoming like a Vietnam - a very long war!

And we are in Deficit debts.

Congressmen voted themselves for a fatter raises. That's what we got for, more debts!

And the Terrorists are still trying to destroy us.

We have Homeland Security to take care of those nitwits. So far, nothing major yet. (knock-on-wood)

And Aids are increasing.

Quit playing around! Playground out there is dangerous nowadays. Everyone of us have just one lifeline left. Stay with one spouse and then, grow old with the spouse.

And Crimes are freaky high.

Move to Utah. Crimes here are extremely low.

And jobs are awful.

I agree.

So anyway....
there is nothing wrong with Polygamous. As long
as husband can afford it... it is his responsibility...
At least he won't cheat. It is better than divorce.
Better than women who are a single parent and
can't feed their kids.

If the father wants to file for divorce, he would have to cough up CS (Child Support) for each kid! Let's say, Tom Green who has 33 kids. He makes $15K a year. That would be about $20/mo for each child to support. That's not enough. The State will have to cough up and pay the difference to fulfill the requirement, plus wives really can't work because they have to take care of their youngs. So, there is something wrong with polygamy in USA. If you don't see it nothing wrong, my suggest that you move to Africa. They have plenty of legal polygamy and they support themselves without governmental aid because they live way below than USA's lifestyle such as cheap shack with no windows and dirt floor. I imagine it'll costs you to buy their shack for around ten bux. Not bad. Wanna live there?

~DV

 

[The*Empress]

Polygameous is a blessing...

If I am a man... and
if I married 3 women...

And they have kids...

And if I make $15,000 a year....

I can try to feed them the best that I can.

And I can wait til my children grow up...
and hopefully we can have a BIG family business....
And grandchildren can help out...

Imagine having your own tribe.

I think Iraq is like Vietnam.

I will say again to all the children and to everyone that
God doesn't approve Homosexual...
cause the Bible say so....
So I don't want people to say that I am judging
but it is a true fact...
Sorry if I offended anyone... but the BIBLE SAID Homosexual is wrong.

Come on Christians, don't get mad at me...
Yall know that the majority of people think that way too.
I am not the only one.... so why am I the bad person?

 

[The*Empress]

Everytime I tell people Homosexual is okay...
people tell me that Homosexual is wrong.

But everytime I tell people that Homosexual is wrong.
people tell me that gay people love each other and i can't judge.

Why I have to be wrong all the time?

Why can't people just say, yeah Miss P, you are right?

Why people want to argue with me or disagree with me?

And why people rather give me advice and they don't want
me to give them advice?

and Posters here said they suggest that I volunteer,
volunteer to do what? Help people?
A girl attacked me on this forum, said I don't know how to help people.

So anyway... don't give me anymore advice, cause everyone
is contradicting themselves...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Yes, I´m agree with Oceangirl and Flyfree.

There´re large difference between polygamy and Gay.

I do not support polygamy.


Alot of men married children in Africa and Asia... I saw the magazine that 15 years old African had 5 kids and look much older than her own age.


I remember some of asians, I used work together in London. They told me the story about their beliefs. Their parents and future parents in laws make an agreement about their children´s future when their children are little. They said they love their parents too much to let them down because what they kept promise so stay this. They see nothing wrong what the parents pick for them because they think their parents do the best for them...

One Asian told me that her parents´s friend flied over to England to stay with them for holiday, then they make an agreement to marry their children.

I was like wow when they told me about this but ... but... but... other story, I remember about deaf indian. I am sure it´s somewhere in Dubalic... I can´t remember which one...
One deaf German travel almost world and collect alot of different cultures and also deaf cultures, too until he met deaf Indian couple who just has a baby. He took the pictures of them and show everyone on the new for the deaf TV. They told him the story how their parents forbidden their deaf children to marry each other because they are frightenend that their babies might be deaf..... They play as "Romeo and Juliet". They noticed that their parents plan for them to marry hearing goes near and near... They decided to break their contact with their parents and run away to start a new life together in other land where the priest for the deaf help them. They are happily married and have a baby daughter. They said to German that they will NEVER force their children to marry someone... Interesting story... I remember those story that´s time my 1st son was baby.