Mainstreamed deaf people do you remember your childhood that well?

The sad fact of the matter is, the public schools do not even serve the best needs of the hearing students. Our public school system has numerous problems, and are turning out hearing students unable to read and write at an advanced level. Math skills are on the decline. Knowledge of science is lacking. If a public system cannot serve a student population who does not need additional accommodation, how can they best serve a student population that does need additional accommodation? IMO, mainstreaming simply puts kids at risk in an environment that is at risk.

Public school is just there to reproduce inequality, to produce the reserve army of labour, and to reproduce the social norms for social control and function, along with the worst sociological slant - functionalism.
 
I think it depends on teachers itself in public school. I got many good teachers so I did very well in public school. Even the lousy teacher in public school is a lot better than a lousy teacher at school for the deaf. However, this is based on my experience and so I can't apply it to the rest, remember that.

School for the deaf was just plainly nightmare for me.

I do agree that sometimes it's not good to send deaf students to public school. You have to think long and hard before making big decisions like this. In my case, it was for the greater good.

If anything I blame the society and board of education on the declaring of the system. A lot of parents aren't participating in children's lives. Board of education think they are the best and apply to everyone. Parents are not there for children or some businesses want parents to work longer than they can handle. Americans work longer on average than many of other developed countries.

Basically, do well on the test is more important than learning and understand the subject.

Classroom is too big for teacher to manage.

There's so many problems that needed to be address, but it all depends on taxpayer, how much would they be willing to pay for? A lot of people don't want their taxes raised so where can you get the money for school?

Also, you can't think about athletics all the time, you need to set up some clubs where students can get extra help on certain subjects.

Basically attitude I got the society is that education isn't worth our efforts even though we think it's important for the future. We preach but we don't do it.
 
Shel, I think its both. I attended a state college with a high proportion of future teachers , and I tended to know more about "classic" sped then a lot of my teacher friends.
 
Are you saying that the public schools are doing a poor job of meeting the needs of the students because of the policies set by policymakers or the teachers arent getting quality training from the teaching programs?

A bit of both.
 
Public school is just there to reproduce inequality, to produce the reserve army of labour, and to reproduce the social norms for social control and function, along with the worst sociological slant - functionalism.

**nodding**
 
Just to clarify...........I am NOT bashing mainstreaming. Just saying that I think instead of automaticly assuming that the mainstream school is the best placement, that we need to provide a continuum of educational placements. The trouble with that sort of deal is that kids are falling through the cracks too easily.
 
Just to clarify...........I am NOT bashing mainstreaming. Just saying that I think instead of automaticly assuming that the mainstream school is the best placement, that we need to provide a continuum of educational placements. The trouble with that sort of deal is that kids are falling through the cracks too easily.

I agree!
 
Just to clarify...........I am NOT bashing mainstreaming. Just saying that I think instead of automaticly assuming that the mainstream school is the best placement, that we need to provide a continuum of educational placements. The trouble with that sort of deal is that kids are falling through the cracks too easily.

I agree! The federal guidelines about the Least Restrictive Environment (LRE) is really backwards for many deaf and hard of hearing children...because of communication and language issues, the public school setting may not necessary be the LRE...a residental school might be the LRE for that child. Sadly the federal guidelines interpret the residental school as being more restrictive than a public school...but for some deaf/hh children that is not the case.
 
It really does seem that despite what some really out of touch idealists thought, mainstreaming hasn't really provided improvement in deaf ed.
Yes, there are kids who do well, but it does seem like overall those kids are the kind who would have done well even pre Public Law that pushed mainstreaming.
 
I was mainstreamed. I am happy with the experience and memories. At the same time, a part of me realizes I am not yet understood. We live and dream alone. But growing up, I watched a lot of TV with closed captions to learn how to read. And I have trouble distinquishing about reality. And it turns into nightmares. So I have memories, but I don't know if they were memories that happen to me, or if they were memories of TV shows. I was definitely exposed to Law and Order a little too young.

Jaden
 
I grew up orally until I had learned my first sign language at age of 9. I attended D/HH program elementary and middle schools (We used Total Communication), and regular /private schools (No D/HH programs/interpreters). I had private speech therapy after school for years. My parents were concerned for my safety and education at the public high school's environment such as criminal activity, and poor teaching methods, so they sent me to take community college classes at age of 16 during the senior year, and I loved every minute of it. Even been to Project Talk (It closed down years ago.) and John Tracy Institute for a summer school. I had learned cued speech for a brief time. I do remember my childhood well. I personally don't feel mine was stolen.

However.. based on my observation, some of the former classmates from my elementary school had no social skills. You can say that they had bad childhoods. I recall this boy from my class grew up in Riverside School for the Deaf all his life. Boy, he was scary. He had no conscience at all. His parents never cared for him at all. He often terrorized and whipped deaf and hearing classmates at the playground with his jumping rope. He was extremely angry, difficult and violent; he kept hissing back at his own teachers, aides and speech therapists. He was sitting at his desk next to this classmate who told him to leave her alone. He threw his violent temper, and tossed her desk upside down. He often tore up his tests in front of his teachers after he found out his tests had failed. He was in the 3rd grade and didn't know the whole ABCs. He had been to the principal office continually. Years later, I had gotten home from college for a break. I sat on the couch and flipped the channels to catch up with news. My eyes were opened widely when I recognized him on the news. I was thinking, "I know this guy!" He wounded up in prison after he was convicted of sexual assault.

There was a woman who was studying to become a certified teacher. Unfortunately, she did not last longer no more than two months or so. I swear she was so frustrated and burned out. She said that she could not handle children's immaturity, irresponsibility, and lack of social skills. She had a complete breakdown, and just left. She never came back.

There were several 4th and 5th grade girls who got themselves in bloody fight numerous of times during the breaks. One of the girls was infamous for punching moves and was not afraid to punch anyone. She nearly had punched her aide in the stomach, and was sent to the principal office. I honestly don't know how many detentions she had gotten. She often had accused every classmate and teacher of lying just out of the blue. The other day, she had violated the school policy for bringing her real cuffs, and was ordered to go home instantly. Her mother had to pick her up. She did not say much. I managed to keep my distance from violent classmates and concentrated on my assignments for two years.

I knew this sweet classmate. She had common sense and was smart. Unfortunately, she had struggled with her spelling skills and everything. She had failed her tests. EVERY test. Her parents were from Mexico and barely had spoken English language. I had tried to encourage and teach her how to memorize words, but what I tried to help her was insufficient.

I attended middle school for two years, and it had been an interesting experience. When they hit their puberty, their attitudes were getting worse and badder. They have violated school policy such as forgery, fights and cheating. There was a particular girl who had a serious conundrum had pushed the limits by using so much profanity. She loved to manipulate, and deceive her friends and teachers in worst possible way. She did it for heck of getting attention or stay out of the trouble. She desperately wanted to be popular so bad. She often played hooky, and was told to ask her mother to sign the paper regarding her absences. Instead, she had committed forgery by signing her mother's name. She winded up getting detention for 4 weeks or so. There was one of the incidents that I will never forget. During the History class, we were having WW 2 discussion and suddenly, she started bawling out, "I hate Jews!" She kept bragging she was proud of being Christian. The intern was so appalled by her statement and rebuked her it was discrimination and inappropriate. The intern even asked her, "Did you know your teacher is Jewish? Do you hate him?" I sensed this girl was in hot water. In an attempt to get herself out of the situation she had caused accused her, "You are lying! Liar! B$%*@!" The intern had ordered her to have a talk with her Jewish teacher (He is Deaf). Personally, I've met their parents; they had neglected their duties and responsibilities in helping and teaching their children. It is sad.
 
Public school is just there to reproduce inequality, to produce the reserve army of labour, and to reproduce the social norms for social control and function, along with the worst sociological slant - functionalism.

Could you please expound on functionalism? Pro and con, please.
 
SilentWolfdog and Kalista, I honestly think that it should be much easier for dhh kids to do a split placement. Like part of the week or day at the deaf school/program and then the rest of the time at the hearing school.
And yes, jillo you're right. Add to that the fact that most mainstream teachers (including special ed) really don't get all that much training in how to teach kids with "classic" disabilites.

One chapter in approximately the 3rd year of undergraduate study. Shame!
 
Could you please expound on functionalism? Pro and con, please.

Functionalism is a sociological theory that states that those with power strive to keep that power by keeping those without power mired in the underclass. It is a very Right Wing theory.
 
Split placement doesn't sound good. I did it while I was at deaf school going to one class at public school per day. Didn't like it. You just ending up work twice as hard trying to same on the same pace whatever it is. It's so much better for me to go to public school and stay there as a full-time student.

But that's just me. Every deaf student is different, I know that.
 
I agree! The federal guidelines about the Least Restrictive Environment (LRE) is really backwards for many deaf and hard of hearing children...because of communication and language issues, the public school setting may not necessary be the LRE...a residental school might be the LRE for that child. Sadly the federal guidelines interpret the residental school as being more restrictive than a public school...but for some deaf/hh children that is not the case.

Exactly. Administrators attempt to apply the criteria of LRE to deaf/hoh children in the same way that it is applied to LD, DD, and all other disabilities. While a mainstream classroom may well be the LRE for a child with dyslexia, because that child is still capable of receiving the information presented via the same mode as the majority of students, it is not so for the deaf/hoh child. Often, when a deaf child is mainstreamed, the environment is more restrictive, because even with an interpreter they are unable to interact with teachers and peers without a 3rd party. The use of a 3rd party often restricts their ability to engage in classroom discussion. That holds true whether it is a terp, or CART provider. The least restrictive environment for the deaf/hoh child is the environment in which they are able to communicate one-on-one with teachers, peers, administrators, and even the custodial workers. The fallacy of the LRE is the tool that won my due process case, and forced the home school district to pay my son's tuition to a deaf school.
 
Exactly. Administrators attempt to apply the criteria of LRE to deaf/hoh children in the same way that it is applied to LD, DD, and all other disabilities. While a mainstream classroom may well be the LRE for a child with dyslexia, because that child is still capable of receiving the information presented via the same mode as the majority of students, it is not so for the deaf/hoh child. Often, when a deaf child is mainstreamed, the environment is more restrictive, because even with an interpreter they are unable to interact with teachers and peers without a 3rd party. The use of a 3rd party often restricts their ability to engage in classroom discussion. That holds true whether it is a terp, or CART provider. The least restrictive environment for the deaf/hoh child is the environment in which they are able to communicate one-on-one with teachers, peers, administrators, and even the custodial workers. The fallacy of the LRE is the tool that won my due process case, and forced the home school district to pay my son's tuition to a deaf school.


Wow! I'm really glad you and your son won the due process. My own parents nearly had to file for due process because of the same thing. You're absolutely right - an fully interactive educational environment that allows full access to language and equal communication opportunities surely is in the best interest of any child - especially a deaf child. :)
 
I remember my childhood pretty well. The only part of my childhood that I vaguely remember is when I was 1 to 2 years old. It was not because of my language development, but because of something that is normal.
 
Wow! I'm really glad you and your son won the due process. My own parents nearly had to file for due process because of the same thing. You're absolutely right - an fully interactive educational environment that allows full access to language and equal communication opportunities surely is in the best interest of any child - especially a deaf child. :)

Thanks. It was a battle well fought!
 
One chapter in approximately the 3rd year of undergraduate study. Shame!

yeah that is typical, they never really wants to enlightened the students of teaching or social work or what-else-they-do, its like they give utter disregard to the real distinction of in between mainstream and 'specialist' thoughts of education for childrens with 'special needs' or rather, should we say; 'specific emphasis'.

and while that said, its also paved the inroad for those hell bent to take roles as 'specialist teechers' which as by consequences of this "so called lack of information" has let them to justify their closed=minded methods of teaching deaf childeren, whether mainstream, sidestream or deaf units, or in full immersed deaf schools.


Oh Buffalo, "functionalism is kind of what Jillio described but its more than that, its like the way of saying how to describe how a social order is maintained by society, and while thus so justifys the way how uneven nature of society is even condoned to be 'natural' for the orders to occur! for instance, crime is a 'normal' feature in society, even as neccessary components to 'functionise' the uneven nature in so 'doing' the creating the motion of 'life in society' to be dynamic. Believers of functionalism will argue this is compatiable with existence of many other things in life, it cannot exist without conflict or separations of groups. While it is NOT a conflict theory (another entire thing all together).

here's a really and simple page as outlined here (opcy and paste) AS Sociology > FUNCTIONALISM
(im too lazy to upload the link)
and another in a wiki;

Functionalism (sociology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
 
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