Loss of Culture?

Hear Again said:
i'm confused, jennyb. you said that the only asl using pre-school in toronto only has hearing students. what do you mean by hearing? hard of hearing? children with ci's?

i think one of the reasons why our experiences differ is because here in the u.s. we have the americans with disabilites act which guarantees services for the deaf, hard of hearing, deafblind, etc.

i'm also fortunate enough to attend the second largest state university in wisconsin. we have 30,000 students and although i am the only person who is deafblind, there are about 80 or so deaf and hard of hearing students in the d/hh program.
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The children at the preschool at hearing. Like they can hear. No CI or hearing aids. Some have Deaf parents or family members, some are interpreters kids, but the kids are hearing.

In Ontario we have an Accessibility for Ontarians With Disabilities Act. There are services, just not many. We are also suffering the same interpreter shortage as everyone else.

University of Toronto has around 80,000 students. 4 of us are Deaf. York has about 10ish I believe.

The contrast between our two experiences is pretty interesting!
 
JennyB said:
The children at the preschool at hearing. Like they can hear. No CI or hearing aids. Some have Deaf parents or family members, some are interpreters kids, but the kids are hearing.

In Ontario we have an Accessibility for Ontarians With Disabilities Act. There are services, just not many. We are also suffering the same interpreter shortage as everyone else.

University of Toronto has around 80,000 students. 4 of us are Deaf. York has about 10ish I believe.

The contrast between our two experiences is pretty interesting!
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did the preschool in toronto start accepting hearing children because the enrollment of deaf and hard of hearing students was low? i know here in the u.s. many schools for the deaf and blind are suffering decreased enrollment because of more students who have severe disabilities. students who attend these schools are no longer "just" deaf and/or blind.

the u of t has 80,000 students? wow! how large of a block radius does your campus extend? ours spans over a 6 block radius.

between you and i, our experiences are like night and day. :giggle:
 
Hear Again said:
did the preschool in toronto start accepting hearing children because the enrollment of deaf and hard of hearing students was low? i know here in the u.s. many schools for the deaf and blind are suffering decreased enrollment because of more students who have severe disabilities. students who attend these schools are no longer "just" deaf and/or blind.

the u of t has 80,000 students? wow! how large of a block radius does your campus extend? ours spans over a 6 block radius.

between you and i, our experiences are like night and day. :giggle:
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The preschool gives Deaf/HOH students priority but will accept hearing kids for extra spaces.

UofT has 3 different campuses. I am at the main one, in downtown, and it is really spread out so it hard to say how many blocks it stretches. We have a central area that is probably about 5-6 blocks, and then buildings spread out all over the place around downtown depending on what you are studying. Then there are two more campuses in Scarborough and Mississauga.
 
I don't think the loss of Deaf Culture will be exactly totally lost.

Sure, it may seem like it's becoming smaller and smaller but that is not entirely the case. It has been shown that it is preserved by passing it down from generations to generations; ASL is still existent. It has been documented in history books; folklores, and a lot of other things still applies to it.
 
shel90 said:
Many audists would love to see Deaf culture to be destroyed.
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That explains what I witnessed so many deaf kids who have a CI. =/

What is bother me? I see some more deaf people have a low self-esteem around me. :(
 
i know here in the u.s. many schools for the deaf and blind are suffering decreased enrollment because of more students who have severe disabilities. students who attend these schools are no longer "just" deaf and/or blind.
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that tends to apply more for for Schools for the Blind. Deaf schools do have kids with severe disabilites, but many of them also have a significent population of just dhh kids.
 
just because a parent wants a ci for their child doesn't mean they're an audist.
 
deafdyke said:
that tends to apply more for for Schools for the Blind. Deaf schools do have kids with severe disabilites, but many of them also have a significent population of just dhh kids.
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this must vary from one part of the country to another because that's not what i've observed.
 
deafdyke said:
that tends to apply more for for Schools for the Blind. Deaf schools do have kids with severe disabilites, but many of them also have a significent population of just dhh kids.
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In my daughter's school it is true. In her class of 9 there are 2 multiply handicapped, but in the age group below her there are 7 out of 9. I would say the overall average at her school is at least 30% of the students have a hanicap other than deafness.
 
perhaps another reason why more schools for the blind have multiply disabled students is because blindness is oftentimes co-morbid with other diagnoses such as cp, severe cognitive disabilities, diabetes and learning disabilities whereas deafness is not.
 
Hear Again said:
perhaps another reason why more schools for the blind have multiply disabled students is because blindness is oftentimes co-morbid with other diagnoses such as cp, severe cognitive disabilities, diabetes and learning disabilities whereas deafness is not.
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Yup, i know very few blind people, that dont have anything else besides blindness.
 
typeingtornado19 said:
Yup, i know very few blind people, that dont have anything else besides blindness.
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exactly. when i was a child, i was misdiagnosed as having a learning disability from 3rd through 12th grade. because of my prematurity, doctors also thought i would have cp, profound brain damage as well as heart and lung problems.
 
Hear Again said:
exactly. when i was a child, i was misdiagnosed as having a learning disability from 3rd through 12th grade. because of my prematurity, doctors also thought i would have cp, profound brain damage as well as heart and lung problems.
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That stinks. There is another condition associated with ONH called septo optic dysplasia, and it involves mental retardation. people thought i... Oi, the things people think.
 
Hear Again said:
perhaps another reason why more schools for the blind have multiply disabled students is because blindness is oftentimes co-morbid with other diagnoses such as cp, severe cognitive disabilities, diabetes and learning disabilities whereas deafness is not.
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Really? I didnt know that.
 
typeingtornado19 said:
That stinks. There is another condition associated with ONH called septo optic dysplasia, and it involves mental retardation. people thought i... Oi, the things people think.
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that's sad. i know how you feel. i had to fight to get into honors classes in 11th and 12th grade because my resource teachers insisted that i had a learning disability. when i was tested freshman year at my university, they discovered that i was performing at least 3 years above grade level in every subject and categorized me as "gifted." i don't mention that to brag; only to point out how wrong people can be when they try to place a label on someone.
 
Hear Again said:
that's sad. i know how you feel. i had to fight to get into honors classes in 11th and 12th grade because my resource teachers insisted that i had a learning disability. when i was tested freshman year at my university, they discovered that i was performing at least 3 years above grade level in every subject and categorized me as "gifted." i don't mention that to brag; only to point out how wrong people can be when they try to place a label on someone.
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Ohh i know, my reading speed is slow because of nystagmus and because of how hard i have to strain to read, people thought i had a comprehension problem... Um, no. I understand just freggin fine. My eyes arent great, my brain is JUST FINE!
 
typeingtornado19 said:
Ohh i know, my reading speed is slow because of nystagmus and because of how hard i have to strain to read, people thought i had a comprehension problem... Um, no. I understand just freggin fine. My eyes arent great, my brain is JUST FINE!
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why people equate blindness with mental and cognitive disabilities is beyond me.
 
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