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Steinhauer said:
Ok, I can understand with clarity the point Reba was making about paying "twice" and I also saw how her point was lost.

Suppose you have a choice .... choice A) McDonald's choice B) Hooters.

One has cheap and fast food, the other has cheap and fast women .... er, I mean .... well .... better food ... yeah.

So, if you do not want cheap and fast food, and you want better food, why should you pay for better food at Hooters that you eat (consume) but in addition to that, you also have to pay for McDonald's (which you didn't use or eat or consume)?

If you are paying to have your children sent to a private school, why are you being taxed to pay for public schools (that you are not using?)

If you have hired a private security firm for protection, why are you paying the salaries of the local police department (that you are not using)?

Why are you paying "twice"?

That was her question.
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Ridiculous compare about McDonald's and Hooters, they are private company and optional to eat. You are not required to pay extra so really most ridiculous question that I had seen. :roll:

We do understand her post so clearly, private school is just optional so you have pay extra if you want put your children to private school, it is part of life. Public school provides education for everyone, even if they can't afford to attend private school.

We already answered and look at entire of thread so hard. Local police dept is just provides an basic protection in entire of local, if not enough then go hire private security with your own money, that's part of life.
 
Foxrac said:
Ridiculous compare about McDonald's and Hooters, they are private company and optional to eat. You are not required to pay extra so really most ridiculous question that I had seen. :roll:

We do understand her post so clearly, private school is just optional so you have pay extra if you want put your children to private school, it is part of life. Public school provides education for everyone, even if they can't afford to attend private school.

We already answered and look at entire of thread so hard. Local police dept is just provides an basic protection in entire of local, if not enough then go hire private security with your own money, that's part of life.
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point still missed ....

if your paying for one service, why are you paying for two?

1+1=3 ???
 
Foxrac said:
We, including Jiro already answered all of questions that she asked so look at this thread so hard.
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I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you read is not what I meant.

You never answered reba's question .... you dodged it.

Why are taxpayer's paying "twice"?
 
Steinhauer said:
I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you read is not what I meant.

You never answered reba's question .... you dodged it.

Why are taxpayer's paying "twice"?
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Jiro's answer is sufficient and he made a excellent point.

Like I said, private is just optional and life is tough, of course, even no tax refund if you opt for private as you could afford to have better service over public. If not then sorry, toobad.
 
Foxrac said:
Jiro's answer is sufficient and he made a excellent point.

Like I said, private is just optional and life is tough, of course, even no tax refund if you opt for private as you could afford to have better service over public. If not then sorry, toobad.
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Not answering the question is simply not answering a question .... why pay twice?

(btw I know single moms who work 3 jobs so their kid can attend private schools).
 
Steinhauer said:
Not answering the question is simply not answering a question .... why pay twice?
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I already answer your question so is Jiro too.

Now, you should stop make excuse to say that my answer isn't enough, if you don't satisfied my answer then toobad.
 
Foxrac said:
I already answer your question so is Jiro too.

Now, you should stop make excuse to say that my answer isn't enough, if you don't satisfied my answer then toobad.
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You never answered the question ... you did not explain why a person must pay twice for something.

Do you pay your bills twice? Or once?

i.e. if your internet bill is $50 per month, do you pay $100?

Your answer closely resembles this ....

"yes, people should pay $100 even though they are consuming 50% of that $100 because there are people without internet".
 
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... The difference is the police is everywhere.

A private hire can only do so much.
 
Steinhauer said:
You never answered the question ... you did not explain why a person must pay twice for something.

Do you pay your bills twice? Or once?

i.e. if your internet bill is $50 per month, do you pay $100?
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My question is already answered.

Local police dept is just mandatory public service to provides basic protection for everyone in their local. Security guard is just other optional so you have pay extra.

Public school provides standard education for everyone so private school is just optional so you have pay extra.

Of course, it is part of life.
 
My question is already answered.

Local police dept is just mandatory public service to provides basic protection for everyone in their local. Security guard is just other optional so you have pay extra.

Public school provides standard education for everyone so private school is just optional so you have pay extra.

Of course, it is part of life.
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Police are not legally obligated to protect you:

Newsvine - Things You Should Know: The Police Aren't Obligated to Protect You


http://www.allsafedefense.com/news/CopsDontProtect.htm
 
Foxrac said:
I said just basic protection to everyone, followed by law, it means police is service in around local and catch anyone whoever break the law.
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You said verbatim "just basic protection to everyone" ...

Sorry man (not trying to ride you) but that is false. The police are not required to provide protection.
 
Steinhauer said:
You said verbatim "just basic protection to everyone" ...

Sorry man (not trying to ride you) but that is false. The police are not required to provide protection.
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I'm not say about protect individual, they are just protect everyone, that's very basic to patrol around local.

Again, local police is just law enforcement officer so they have followed the law to catch anyone whoever breaks the law so they are patrol around local to protect citizens as they could better.

You believe in your own word.
 
Foxrac said:
I'm not say about protect individual, they are just protect everyone, that's very basic to patrol around local.

You believe in your own word.
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Correction .... I believe what supreme court cases have found through litigation, and that is ... police are not required to provide protection.


Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981)

Riss v. New York, 240 N.E.2d 860 (N.Y.1968)

Hartzler v. City of San Jose, 46 Cal. App. 3d 6 (1st Dist. 1975)

Balistreri v. Pacifica Police Department (901 F.2d 696 9th Cir. 1990).

Zinermon v. Burch (110 S.Ct. 975, 984 1990; 494 U.S. 113 (1990)
 
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Steinhauer said:
Foxrac said:
I said just basic protection to everyone, followed by law, it means police is service in around local and catch anyone whoever break the law.
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You said verbatim "just basic protection to everyone" ...

Sorry man (not trying to ride you) but that is false. The police are not required to provide protection.
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Throw him a bone and help him find the word he's looking for.

You know what he meant.
 
Steinhauer said:
Correction .... I believe what supreme court cases have found through litigation, and that is ... police are not required to provide protection.
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I edited to add one more thing so look above.

Local police isn't person to protect individual for 24/7, they are patrol in around local, just very basic protection as they could better.
 
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