Legal Showdown - Arizona's Immigration Law

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DGirl101 said:
I have......you might know it.

North Charleston, nearby Burns Elementary School, there was a Hess Gas Station a few blocks from where I lived. A train track goes right by it.
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Yes, lower Dorchester Road area. It hasn't gotten any better.
 
Reba said:
Do you have any friends or relatives who live in poor neighborhoods?
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yes. plenty. My ex-gf was in the vicinity where there was a couple of gunshots at Bronx.

Reba said:
That may be true for some but not all. If you're poor you can't afford to move to the nicer neighborhoods.
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definitely not a nicer neighborhood but a safer one than one's current situation
 
Jiro said:
ghetto. high crime rate. an area where you gotta watch your 6. what's your definition?
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There are poor neighborhoods that aren't ghettos.

There are poor urban areas and poor rural areas.
 
Reba said:
There are poor neighborhoods that aren't ghettos.

There are poor urban areas and poor rural areas.
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yes. that is safer than "ghetto" so one should consider moving there.
 
Nevermind, Reba got it, my bad.
 
Jiro said:
yes. that is safer than "ghetto" so one should consider moving there.
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It sounds like Moreno Valley, they are safe suburb but increase of poor people live in.

In other way, there's safer poor area than in ghetto area like some part of valley area but can't guarantee if crime has become worse in eventually.
 
Jiro said:
Even people in poor neighborhoods do actually have choice to move somewhere else but problem is - they don't want to. Nobody likes to move away from what they know and are used to.
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Or....they can't move away due to financial reasons. My parents...had to work hard to save up and it took them 6 years to do it before finally packing us up and moving elsewhere.



Jiro said:
not my problem. point is - welcome to real world. nothing is ever adequate enough for anybody. nothing is every good enough for anybody.
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I lived the real world so did you, with eyes wide open. Hence why nothing really surprises me or fazes me because I have seen a lot, I keep a realistic mind instead of expecting everything to be the way I want it to be.

I keep thinking that you're saying 'What do I care about poor people or their problems?' What I want you to understand is this.....when money comes into play, not everyone can fork it over like some can.

Jiro said:
many available options -

1. move to a gated community (money is the issue for some with this one)
2. move closer to police station ( doesn't really work either, some criminals are bold)
3. move to somewhere else (again money is the issue for some.)
4. home security system (Money, I wish there were trees that grew money.)
5. guard dog (I had two that were shot because it was fun for the bad boys and girls.)
6. private security guard (money again)
7. form a Neighborhood Watch group (kind of hard to do in a neighborhood when people are scared to act when in a gang territory)
8. etc. (chances are it is money again)

if none above works for them - well I'm sorry.
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I lived the Poor life, and in a poor neighborhood.

The house I lived in was all my parents could afford. Before we moved in, the house was used as a toilet, a crack house, syringes everywhere, condoms, roaches, dead rats, and who knew what else. My parents spent a week scrubbing that house from top to bottom just so that it could be livable for themselves and particularly for me and my two brothers all under the age of ten.

I lived next door to a 17 year old boy who raped me in his parents garage, I was only 11 years old and we still had to live next door to him. What was worse was that he was part of a gang. Which one, we never tried to find out. We stayed away from them and left them alone, Dad feared for us and our safety and feared the ramifications that could have happened had we acted out on some things.

We dealt with drive-bys, car chases in the middle of the night, a few incidences of gunshots in the night. Fights, brawls on the street corners, some were serious enough that people's lives were in danger from an injury.

I can go on and on. I learned how to fight to protect myself ever since I was raped. Still didn't prevent me from being attacked a few more times in the years after that but it was better than lying in a gutter filled with cottonmouth snakes.

Those who are poor have no defense against those who want to cause harm, the police can only do so much in some cities, especially if they are spread so thin. Even the poor can't afford to get things needed to protect them.

I don't know what your history is or how you lived your life, but I would never say "I'm sorry that you are poor and can't live a safe and protected life like some of us." Pity is not the answer, action is and we need it from our government in ALL things we expect from them, we voted them there, we are suppose to demand it.

I live in a safe neighborhood now, but I will never forget where I came from, what I went through, and how I got to be where I am today.

I am not berating you, I am not trying to anger you, because I am not angry myself. Just telling you how it was for me and how it is for some and how it could be for others if this situation with the Illegal Immigrants is not put under control, and other issues as well.
 
Reba said:
Yes, lower Dorchester Road area. It hasn't gotten any better.
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Yup.....I have a friend that lives there...very close friend. She is Deaf and she tells me things that goes on there.

It stinks.... :(
 
DGirl101 said:
Or....they can't move away due to financial reasons. My parents...had to work hard to save up and it took them 6 years to do it before finally packing us up and moving elsewhere.





I lived the real world so did you, with eyes wide open. Hence why nothing really surprises me or fazes me because I have seen a lot, I keep a realistic mind instead of expecting everything to be the way I want it to be.

I keep thinking that you're saying 'What do I care about poor people or their problems?' What I want you to understand is this.....when money comes into play, not everyone can fork it over like some can.



I lived the Poor life, and in a poor neighborhood.

The house I lived in was all my parents could afford. Before we moved in, the house was used as a toilet, a crack house, syringes everywhere, condoms, roaches, dead rats, and who knew what else. My parents spent a week scrubbing that house from top to bottom just so that it could be livable for themselves and particularly for me and my two brothers all under the age of ten.

I lived next door to a 17 year old boy who raped me in his parents garage, I was only 11 years old and we still had to live next door to him. What was worse was that he was part of a gang. Which one, we never tried to find out. We stayed away from them and left them alone, Dad feared for us and our safety and feared the ramifications that could have happened had we acted out on some things.

We dealt with drive-bys, car chases in the middle of the night, a few incidences of gunshots in the night. Fights, brawls on the street corners, some were serious enough that people's lives were in danger from an injury.

I can go on and on. I learned how to fight to protect myself ever since I was raped. Still didn't prevent me from being attacked a few more times in the years after that but it was better than lying in a gutter filled with cottonmouth snakes.

Those who are poor have no defense against those who want to cause harm, the police can only do so much in some cities, especially if they are spread so thin. Even the poor can't afford to get things needed to protect them.

I don't know what your history is or how you lived your life, but I would never say "I'm sorry that you are poor and can't live a safe and protected life like some of us." Pity is not the answer, action is and we need it from our government in ALL things we expect from them, we voted them there, we are suppose to demand it.

I live in a safe neighborhood now, but I will never forget where I came from, what I went through, and how I got to be where I am today.

I am not berating you, I am not trying to anger you, because I am not angry myself. Just telling you how it was for me and how it is for some and how it could be for others if this situation with the Illegal Immigrants is not put under control, and other issues as well.
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yes. there you go. the federal government will tell you exactly same thing with stories like that.
 
DGirl101 said:
Can you clarify? I am confused with the part that is in bold...
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I gave a list of options for those living in "ghetto" area and you gave me excuses (don't take it wrong but can't think of a proper word now).

Now - you demanded our government to do something about illegal immigration. The federal government will tell you "excuses" (some pretty lame one but many good explanations). There's not enough money and fund... and there's complications regarding jurisdiction, laws, etc.... there's technological limitation... there's corruptions within agencies... there's etc.

Just remember - drug cartels make billions of dollars in profits. think about what they can do with that amount of money. They built underground tunnels, armed the smugglers with powerful assault rifles, bribed some politicians/police, did a ransom on certain people, etc. It's just not that simple.
 
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Jiro said:
DGirl101 said:
Can you clarify? I am confused with the part that is in bold...
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I gave a list of options for those living in "ghetto" area and you gave me excuses (don't take it wrong but can't think of a proper word now).

Now - you demanded our government to do something about illegal immigration. The federal government will tell you "excuses" (some pretty lame one but many good explanations). There's not enough money and fund... and there's complications regarding jurisdiction, laws, etc.... there's technological limitation... there's corruptions within agencies... there's etc.

Just remember - drug cartels make billions of dollars in profits. think about what they can do with that amount of money. They built underground tunnels, armed the smugglers with powerful assault rifles, bribed some politicians/police, did a ransom on certain people, etc. It's just not that simple.
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Partly unrelated to the example you posted, the article I posted under "Scale of the Exotic Pet Trade" illustrate the complexity of the underworld quite well.
 
Texan Guy said:
In my opinion, we really don't need to build a concrete wall like Berlin Wall or Great Wall of China on the border of Mexico/Texas because of Rio Grande and it'll be friggin' expensive. Just get more security cameras with sensitive motion and night vision, I think.
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Rio Grande starts to run dry as it heads south past Las Cruces, NM. It's not much of a barrier if you look across it at the Juarez and El Paso border.
 
kokonut said:
Rio Grande starts to run dry as it heads south past Las Cruces, NM. It's not much of a barrier if you look across it at the Juarez and El Paso border.
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No way, disapproved by me - taxpayer.

I agreed with Jiro about too expensive for just 2,000 miles.
 
kokonut said:
Rio Grande starts to run dry as it heads south past Las Cruces, NM. It's not much of a barrier if you look across it at the Juarez and El Paso border.
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Foxrac said:
No way, disapproved by me - taxpayer.

I agreed with Jiro about too expensive for just 2,000 miles.
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well - I do see what koko means about that barrier. It's pretty sad. It's as if the Arizonians built it themselves with materials from Home Depot.

We don't really need to build concrete barrier for entire 2,000 miles but the federal government should really allocate the fund to build better barriers only on hot spots.
 
this is what Israelis built between Israel and West Bank

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and this is what we built for Arizona-Mexico border

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this is shameless, really. we don't need to build wall for entire 2,000 miles because most of those areas are isolated, desolated. The desert will kill them.
 
Ok, I can understand with clarity the point Reba was making about paying "twice" and I also saw how her point was lost.

Suppose you have a choice .... choice A) McDonald's choice B) Hooters.

One has cheap and fast food, the other has cheap and fast women .... er, I mean .... well .... better food ... yeah.

So, if you do not want cheap and fast food, and you want better food, why should you pay for better food at Hooters that you eat (consume) but in addition to that, you also have to pay for McDonald's (which you didn't use or eat or consume)?

If you are paying to have your children sent to a private school, why are you being taxed to pay for public schools (that you are not using?)

If you have hired a private security firm for protection, why are you paying the salaries of the local police department (that you are not using)?

Why are you paying "twice"?

That was her question.
 
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