Law Allowing Guns in Restaurants Takes Effect Wednesday

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Law allowing guns in restaurants takes effect Wednesday

TEMPE -- At Gordon Biersch in Tempe, you'll find more than just the hours of operation on the front door.

Managers at the restaurant have also added a sign that reads "No Firearms Allowed."

They hope the sign will keep out concealed weapons in the wake of a change to Arizona law.

"Everyone has the right to bear arms, however, we feel that mixing alcohol and firearms is a bad decision," says General Manager Cheryl Johnson.

A new law takes effect Wednesday that allows anyone with a permit to carry a concealed weapon into bars and restaurants.

If the owners of those establishments don't want their customers armed, they must put up a sign.

"I think it's crazy," Johnson adds. "We don't allow smoking yet we're allowing firearms in our establishments where liquor is served."

"As a bar operator, we're stumped as to why this would be approved," said Jake Guzman, General Manager of the Library Bar and Grill in Tempe.

The Library also plans to put up signs at the front door indicating they don't allow weapons.

However, two days out, the restaurant's staff still doesn't exactly know how they'll enforce it.

"There has not been one agency that has contacted any of us to educate us on how we handle these situations," said Guzman.

While restaurant managers may disapprove, customers don't seem to mind having lunch next to someone carrying a gun.

"It's it's the law of Arizona," said Kevin Moley of Scottsdale. "Until something happens to suggest it's not viable, I think it should be allowed."

The law will allow permit holders to carry concealed weapons into bars, however, while carrying a weapon they will not be allowed to drink alcohol.

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Jiro said:
it is very rare to hear in news about CCW holder going crazy with gun while drunk.
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Car accidents happen way more often than plane accidents. And yet plane accidents show up in the news much more often than car accidents.

Anyway, I just think it would be a bad combination. Not to mention, why should people need to be armed to eat out? :dunno:
 
CJB said:
Car accidents happen way more often than plane accidents. And yet plane accidents show up in the news much more often than car accidents.
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You know that New Yorkers do not care about car accidents in California. Local car accidents are not reported nationally and you will not find it in national/international news source like cnn.com simply because... well there are over 6 million car accidents annually... The car accidents will usually make it to national news if it's something horrific or if it's relating to a specific agenda while there's pending legislation such as drunk driving, txting while driving, etc....

CJB said:
Anyway, I just think it would be a bad combination. Not to mention, why should people need to be armed to eat out? :dunno:
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why not? it's their choice to protect themselves wherever they go. They could get mugged/assaulted at parking lot or on the way to diner or on the way home. Who knows. It's entirely their choice and Arizona has granted them that lawful rights. Just so you know - quite a handful of CCW holders do not carry it all the time. They are very responsible enough to know when or when not to bring it to a certain place. They are very responsible enough to know the laws and they know very well that they must avoid confrontations at all cost (required by law) because they can easily go to jail despite of circumstance.
 
Jiro said:
You know that New Yorkers do not care about car accidents in California. Local car accidents are not reported nationally and you will not find it in national/international news source like cnn.com simply because... well there are over 6 million car accidents annually... The car accidents will usually make it to national news if it's something horrific or if it's relating to a specific agenda while there's pending legislation such as drunk driving, txting while driving, etc....
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I know and that's my point--people don't care about every shooting that takes place. Just because drunken shootings in restaurants don't get reported on the news doesn't mean they don't happen.

why not? it's their choice to protect themselves wherever they go. They could get mugged/assaulted at parking lot or on the way to diner or on the way home. Who knows. It's entirely their choice and Arizona has granted them that lawful rights. Just so you know - quite a handful of CCW holders do not carry it all the time. They are very responsible enough to know when or when not to bring it to a certain place. They are very responsible enough to know the laws and they know very well that they must avoid confrontations at all cost (required by law) because they can easily go to jail despite of circumstance.
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I just don't see why it's even a necessary choice. Plus saying CCW holders are very responsible about knowing where to carry their guns is the same as saying people are very responsible about driving and knowing when and where to drive. Most people are most of the time but drunken driving still happens. Even if must CCW holders are responsible most of the time, that doesn't guarantee drunken shootings won't happen.
 
CJB said:
I know and that's my point--people don't care about every shooting that takes place. Just because drunken shootings in restaurants don't get reported on the news doesn't mean they don't happen.
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yes people actually do care. quite a lot. armed robbery. mall shootings. school shootings. gang wars. drug wars. domestic violence shootings. and dozen more kinds. It's reported in news on nearly daily basis. Because of that - it breeds extreme anti-gun sentimentalism.... just as bad as Jaw movie caused mass shark killing over unfounded fear. You know what's a sad misconception? People want to ban guns.... and the politicians complied. However - they failed to acknowledge that in majority of these firearm-related crimes.... all of them were caused by ILLEGAL GUNS - the thugs who do not follow the laws in obtaining the firearm LEGALLY. News like CCW holder saving lives especially their own life and their family are hardly reported. That is a sad truth. a very sad truth. :(

CJB said:
I just don't see why it's even a necessary choice. Plus saying CCW holders are very responsible about knowing where to carry their guns is the same as saying people are very responsible about driving and knowing when and where to drive. Most people are most of the time but drunken driving still happens. Even if must CCW holders are responsible most of the time, that doesn't guarantee drunken shootings won't happen.
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let's just say CCW holders hold a much higher sense of responsibility and common sense than non-CCW holders. If you look at majority of drunk driving cases.... most of them are just regular unarmed folks including politicians and celebrities. How often do you hear in news about LAWFUL CCW holders driving drunk while packing a heat? Compare that to number of news of celebrities being arrested for drunk driving AND illegal possession of firearms?

another case - we all have heard of several gun shootings at bars/clubs but in majority of these cases - the shooters were charged with illegal possession of firearms. So how often do you hear in news about LAWFUL citizen going trigger-crazy at bars/clubs?

so yes - I do strongly believe CCW holders hold a much higher sense of responsibility and common sense than non-CCW holders.e
 
Absolutely not.

I would not be happy if NC accept that law as well. Surely alot of restuants don't accept smoking but will accept guns wtf? I guess their brains went on vacation when they were like AH! if we can't allow customers to smoke...how about we make it up for them to bring in guns to restaurants and bars? AH brilliant this is fuckin' genius! *eventually see a drunkard slurping words cussing and then try to put up a fight as he take out his gun, and shoot him, but accidentally shoot the bartender instead*

Oh my, what will they think of next? :roll:

If they never compared anything between guns and cigarettes/cigars when it comes to danger and health risks, etc...

Guns ARE obviously the highest risk and most dangerous to bring into public places, even if you have a permit. I still will not trust anyone carrying a gun expect cops or anyone working into law enforcements have legal rights to carrying a gun.
 
Oh, great. Now instead of calling 911 when McDonald's runs out of chicken nuggets, they'll just shoot the clerk!:roll:
 
My first thought was Oh, boy the days of the Wild Old West are baaaack! when I saw this thread.
 
If they don't want a shootout in their restaurants where they server alcohol, then don't serve alcohol.

Alcohol is far worse than guns and remember, don't drink and drive. If you're gonna get behind the wheel, you might as well drive a bullet.

Yiz
 
I don't fear restaurants that allow guns anymore I feel going to the park and never knowing who have a gun and who don't. Afterall, they don't do gun checkpoint.

I have to say that alcohol and gun mix is NEVER a good idea. But I understand that some women would love to protect themselves when they go out.
 
KarissaMann05 said:
That's great. It would be nice to see reducing restaurant shootings. :)
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What happen if stupid drunk man has gun license and carry gun to restaurant and shoot at you? I wouldn't surprise if they allowed OC in restaurant but with CCW, it is fine.
 
Foxrac said:
What happen if stupid drunk man has gun license and carry gun to restaurant and shoot at you? I wouldn't surprise if they allowed OC in restaurant but with CCW, it is fine.
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See Jiro's #5 post. It has some reasons in his post. And, I would like to see someone prevents the shootings at any place. It's not just only this - "Oops! I shoot someone cos I drunk!" It could be someone could want to go after somebody else for whatever reason is to harm/kill someone else. It could be some various reasons. I'm not going to listen liberal anti-gun statement, sorry...
 
KarissaMann05 said:
See Jiro's #5 post. It has some reasons in his post. And, I would like to see someone prevents the shootings at any place. It's not just only this - "Oops! I shoot someone cos I drunk!" It could be someone could want to go after somebody else for whatever reason is to harm/kill someone else. It could be some various reasons. I'm not going to listen liberal anti-gun statement, sorry...
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You could get shot by drunk people in anywhere since they are irresponsible and I have feel that gun shouldn't open in restaurants that where serve alcohol, also it wouldn't going stop from shooting in random time.

It's not liberal stuff, it is about safety.
 
Foxrac said:
You could get shot by drunk people in anywhere since they are irresponsible and I have feel that gun shouldn't open in restaurants that where serve alcohol, also it wouldn't going stop from shooting in random time.

It's not liberal stuff, it is about safety.
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she's talking about OTHER ADers, not you :)
 
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