Laurent, South Dakota: Deaf Town

be honest.. i feel south dakota is a wonderful state.. yet cheap to live in.

variety of land shapes.. upsidedown mountains(badlands), flat hills, mountious area, plains. variety of attractions to go... for example... mt rushmore, black hills, casinos, badlands, etc.etc..

great things to do... hunting, sturgues (a famous annual motorcycle trip), ATV (from what i heard.. you can go ATV in sioux falls if you have mirror, lights, brake lights, etc.

many more to list :D

weather in south dakota is smooth.. i doubt its often below zero.. they tend to have warm winters.. hot summers.
 
The Laurent Company explained their points why they chose their location and the state.

(Their comment as why they chose it):
Size does matter and South Dakota’s population is only 754,844. McCook County’s population is 5,832. Laurent’s planned population will be somewhere between 1,250 to 4,000 people. With these numbers, we can expect to have political influence and an economic impact at both the county and state levels. We will be one of the top 15 largest cities in the state. We can build next to the interstate 90. This location is central to the United States and easy to reach by auto or air. The climate provides four seasons and the area gets over 250 days of sunshine a year. South Dakota provides excellent low interest financing for first time homebuyers through the SDHDA program. In South Dakota, there is no corporate tax, no income tax, no personal property tax and no inheritance tax. In 1992, Money Magazine named Sioux Falls, which is approximately 35 miles east of Laurent’s location, as the #1 best place to live in America. This area is still a great place to live.
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They may have several strong but somewhat questionable points. But did they ever consider of other places before choosing their location in SD? Have they thought it carefully?

a) Political and economical advantage/influence for the Deaf in the smaller-poplutated state
(true advantage and maybe the strongest point)

b) They offer low housing costs and no corporate, personal property, income, inheritance taxes
(very attractive points but there is several places do offer half of that, too).

c) May be an excellence location in the SD state on Interstate 90 and real close to Sioux Falls
(good and smart point but there is many more interstates elsewhere, too)

d) weather climate .. they said 250+ sunny days and 4 seasons per year by average
(actually, they should admit or include its long cold winter but it isn't like ND's notorious nasty-weathered climate for sure but close enough?! .. but you have to admit that it's the least attractive reason for many, absolutely)

Good and poor points. But what I actually meant to say (why chose S.D.?) and still is a big geographical reason to question here.

Say why not did they try it in Florida as a sample: Northern Florida do offer no state income tax, reasonable housing costs, low coporate tax, and few I tried to recall. But Florida surely can atract far more than S.D. and that is only one sampe here. Florida surely has a very high population that would be negative advantage for the Deaf town to be influence in its politics part. But it offers so many attractions to do and more. A better weather climate except the south beach areas due to hurricanes (lol).

Or say why not choose New Mexico or somewhere approxiate .. just think them aloud. but New Mexico they could be at more advantage, too.

Higher deaf popluation (most) do live in eastern, southeastern, far western states, and several locations somewhere in the midwest. Very low deaf population in the far north with an exception for Minnesota (Twin Cities).

Seriously, ask yourself will good numbers of deaf families/individuals would bother to move thousand miles away from somewhere far to a brand-new tiny town in South Dakota. Not many! Only small good numbers would, probably. Long shot to be a 4k to 10k population which they hope for. I know tha they will include hearies as well, but still is a long shot of a chance. More of a gamble.

I would support a "deaf town" to be established somewhere else more approxiate .. certainly not in S.D., a very middle of no-where and far north. bad geographic choice.

Very low crimes we should assume. But what about the privacy since it may be at least 40-50% deaf population in a tiny town, hmm. I wonder.

Actually there is several more deep questions, too.

There is still a mix of good and poor points on Laurent, SD chosen as the geographical location.

Again you have to ask yourself: Did the Laurent Co. exhausted all the geographical locations before they decided the final one that they chose it as that location in SD? I wonder.

I won't move there for sure .. why? My main reason is its weather climate. Also count its "middle of no-where" as my other reason.

Location, location, location. What else?

We will see and know how they fare and grow in years ahead. I only hope that they know what they're doing.
 
DeafSCUBA98 said:
where did it say that it can be below zero in south dakota?

I know weather....check this link and see for yourself.

http://www.weather.com/activities/o...locid=USSD0315&from=36hr_bottomnav_undeclared

Record low is -36 in 1970. It's likely it will go below zero at times, worse with wind chill. Average llow temp is only 3 degrees. It would be similar to Laurent, SD's climate since it's not far from Sioux Falls, SD. That's why it's not a place for me to live. Congrats to them, anyway. :)
 
sequoias said:
I know weather....check this link and see for yourself.

http://www.weather.com/activities/o...locid=USSD0315&from=36hr_bottomnav_undeclared

Record low is -36 in 1970. It's likely it will go below zero at times, worse with wind chill. Average llow temp is only 3 degrees. It would be similar to Laurent, SD's climate since it's not far from Sioux Falls, SD. That's why it's not a place for me to live. Congrats to them, anyway. :)

Thanks for the link. It does show the midwinter average is rather so cold and it shows there is 4-5 winter-like months .. but it does have great summer and nice fall and spring temps but for bit short time, rather so. Still a no-no for me.
 
Rose Immortal said:
Where does it actually say that hearing children in this town would not be taught English or speech skills?


In the Laurent FAQs:

Will the local school be integrated? Where is the nearest public school system?
We will be building the world's first integrated ASL public school system in Laurent, serving both hearing, deaf and CODA children - with K-12 being served in one facility. We plan to build the school system within the next 2-3 years or sooner. The nearest public school system is Salem, SD - 3.5 miles away. South Dakota has an open enrollment system and families may choose any public school they wish. Currently there are 4 school districts in McCook County with K - 12 programs. There is one Catholic School in Salem. Together these excellent schools serve about 1000 students.

Somehow I don't think such a school would be conductive to teaching hearing students proper pronunciation and such, though I doubt they could pass an ordinance that speaking is illegal (or that it's illegal for hearing parents to teach their hearing kids to speak in their own home). Heh, that'd give new meaning to the term "Freedom of Speech", ne?
 
Teresh said:
In the Laurent FAQs:



Somehow I don't think such a school would be conductive to teaching hearing students proper pronunciation and such, though I doubt they could pass an ordinance that speaking is illegal (or that it's illegal for hearing parents to teach their hearing kids to speak in their own home). Heh, that'd give new meaning to the term "Freedom of Speech", ne?

I'm not sure about that part.

For the Deaf, HoH, Coda students I would approve.

But for the hearing students part it may be up to them especially their parents.

Remember as long the hearing students attend to the school in Laurent therefore they already accept the Deaf and ASL beforehand so it shouldn't be a problem, really.
 
Teresh said:
In the Laurent FAQs:

Somehow I don't think such a school would be conductive to teaching hearing students proper pronunciation and such, though I doubt they could pass an ordinance that speaking is illegal (or that it's illegal for hearing parents to teach their hearing kids to speak in their own home). Heh, that'd give new meaning to the term "Freedom of Speech", ne?

Hm...I saw those FAQ's, but I didn't necessarily interpret it as meaning hearing students (or others whose parents would like them to have that class) are not taught to speak at all. It could just mean ASL is the primary mode of communication and anything else is an elective, an add-on, if you will. I can't really tell for sure, though, but I don't want to jump to conclusions.
 
Teresh said:
In the Laurent FAQs:



Somehow I don't think such a school would be conductive to teaching hearing students proper pronunciation and such, though I doubt they could pass an ordinance that speaking is illegal (or that it's illegal for hearing parents to teach their hearing kids to speak in their own home). Heh, that'd give new meaning to the term "Freedom of Speech", ne?

No, my friend told me(her cousin building that town) that in the school in there are for deaf and hearing students together. But everybody in that school will learn sign langauge but hearing students CAN learn to talking, if they want to but in school, need to use sign language for deaf's sakes. Thats all.
 
Wow.

I heard about this a couple of years ago, but I didnt think that they were THAT serious.

However, it is pretty unlikely this will work out. Not impossible, but unlikely due to economic forces.
 
web730 said:
Thanks for the link. It does show the midwinter average is rather so cold and it shows there is 4-5 winter-like months .. but it does have great summer and nice fall and spring temps but for bit short time, rather so. Still a no-no for me.
but compare to my hometown.. its even more colder than SD..

http://www.weather.com/weather/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/56201?from=36hr_bottomnav_undeclared

all states have its pro and cons... i refuse to live in new mexico.. tooo hot for me. and where's rain? i need rain for beautiful green grass.
 
DeafSCUBA98 said:
all states have its pro and cons... i refuse to live in new mexico.. tooo hot for me. and where's rain? i need rain for beautiful green grass.

Going to wander

:topic: ...

Don't think all parts of New Mexico get THAT hot...for instance, Albuquerque is pretty mild in comparison to a place like Phoenix.

Personally, I'd much rather deal with extreme heat than extreme cold. And I don't like or need a lot of rain, either. The happiest I ever was with the climate, of anywhere I lived was San Antonio, Texas...a high of 70 on Christmas Day, and on the morning of Christmas Eve, we woke up and found we'd had a light dusting--of DUST! "I'm dreaming of a BROWN Christmas..."

I could definitely live in the Southwest... :)
 
Yeah, I don't mind Southwestern part except Arizona because of too hot and drier air that it won't do me good. I must live where humidity is.

My good friend also live in N.M. and he said that its climate is very nice and stable like Rose Immortal said. Yeah. He loves the life there. We grew up as midwesterners.
 
I personally feel that a deaf town in South Dakota isn't a good idea. I think those deaf people are angry ones so this is why they decided to set a deaf town - all signers only....bank signers, doctor signer, police signer, etc are not necessary. There are wonderful places for the deaf people which are Rochester, NY, Washington, DC and what else? That's good enough. Many deaf friends of mine, my husband and I think that the deaf town may not be successful. Wish them luck....

We will never move to South Dakota and of course, it's way too cold there!!!!
 
Yeah, I agree that it's likely that it won't be successful. Probably end up being more of a small hearing-populated town.

To date so far they said 158 families are very interested to move there. Still in the early phrase period, though. But it sounds like rather too few than they are hoping for.

We only can assume, ofc but we can only wait and see how they fare in several years later.

I would support the idea of a deaf town like I said ... but S.D.?? ** head shaking ** :crazy:
 
I personally don't like this idea of how the big Deaf community (big "D") want to isolate themselves from the hearing world to form their own little town for only ASL users. It seems like they are shutting themselves from everyone else and formulating their own society. But I guess it's for their own good, since they're probably frustrated at living in the mainstream and making themselves understood in public places such as restaurants and stores. Do you think that's the real reason why they're forming Laurent??
 
angelstar819 said:
I personally don't like this idea of how the big Deaf community (big "D") want to isolate themselves from the hearing world to form their own little town for only ASL users. It seems like they are shutting themselves from everyone else and formulating their own society. But I guess it's for their own good, since they're probably frustrated at living in the mainstream and making themselves understood in public places such as restaurants and stores. Do you think that's the real reason why they're forming Laurent??

I'd say that's probably a large factor, yes. However, I wouldn't be so quick to lump everyone who considers themselves "Deaf" together. As is obvious from this thread alone, many Deaf people don't think Laurent is such a great idea. Friends of mine don't like the idea much either, as it seems too isolationist for some.
 
josey said:
sorry confused
kim

The Millers are deaf. Nice folks to intertain with. Laurent is going to become a reality. For those who think otherwise, why not build a town for 'signers', not just for 'deaf'. Laurent is meant to be a "Signers Town", not a "Deaf Town" as many of you thought it to be.

I wish Marvin Miller all the luck he is going to need. I support it, not because of the location, but his determination to overcome the negativism.

By the way, Laurent is situated between Sioux Falls and Camp Lakodia. Perhaps many of you didn't know what is Camp Lakodia is. Take a look at the web site: www.c-s-d.org
 
I'll swing by and have a piece of deaf pie and a cuppa deaf coffee. :fingersx:
 
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