Kids suspended from school for playing in their own yard

[TinCanSailor]

Unbelievable! Neighbor calls 911 to report a kid with a gun. An airsoft pistol no less. Regulation orange tip. Makes no noise when fired. Cannot hurt anyone. It is not a firearm or a pellet gun. Duh! Hope the neighbor is proud of them self.

My airsoft pistol can hit a squirrel on our bird feeder and he looks back like: "what?"


7th-graders suspended for playing with airsoft gun in own yard | Fox News

 

[Jiro]

WAVY-TV reports that 13-year-old Khalid Caraballo and Aidan Clark will face an additional hearing in January to determine if they will be expelled for "possession, handling and use of a firearm" because the guns were fired at two others playing in Caraballo's yard.

The school's so-called "zero-tolerance" policy on guns extends to private property, according to the report.

I hope NRA or big suit sues the school because the policy is clearly illegal and illogical.

 

[Bottesini]

I can't believe the school thinks it can enforce this not on school grounds...

 

[Steinhauer]

TCS, I read about this the other day.

I am trying to understand how the school feels they have "jurisdiction" (for lack of a better word) in this situation.

If the bus driver pulled up, and witnessed a child being bullied at the bus stop, even if the bus stop was on private property - then yes, I would want the bus driver to intervene.

However, we - the public - have seen an actual real fight break out (as opposed to the "playing" in the article you posted) ON a bus, and the bus driver did not intervene and we - the public - were told that it was the right action for him to take by the school administrator's. http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/05/justice/florida-school-bus-beating/index.html

So, why is it okay for "private property" to be the jurisdiction of a school, or an extension of school property when it is a bus stop, and okay for a bus driver to intervene in the OP, but not okay for a school bus driver to intervene when an actual fight breaks on a bus (which is actual physical property of the school and not an imaginary extension of school property)?

Kids playing should never, ever, ever be punished unless someone is getting hurt. Boys will play with toy guns, toy swords, etc. etc. and if these toy guns are taken away, they will make up imaginary ones. Boys will be boys.

Playing with toy guns does not equate to a future adult that will be a mass murderer. These school administrators that think this way need to be ... FIRED!!!

No if's, and's, or but's ... just outright terminated. No public apology is necessary.

 

[TinCanSailor]

If these school rules were in place when I was a kid, I would have been in prison for the last 50 years. On elementary school grounds we had sticks, fingers, toy guns brought from home to shoot at each other while running around yelling at recess. I lived about two blocks from school. I had cap guns while playing in my yard and went into neighbor's yards to do the same with my friends. In the winter, we built forts in the school yard and had gang snowball fights. Here I am today at 60 still thinking that was healthy for all of us. No wusses we!

So' when I was drafted into the service out of high school, at least I had enough sense which end to point the gun and didn't threaten to have my parents sue because my drill instructor yelled at me.

 

[whatdidyousay!]

TCS, I read about this the other day.

I am trying to understand how the school feels they have "jurisdiction" (for lack of a better word) in this situation.

If the bus driver pulled up, and witnessed a child being bullied at the bus stop, even if the bus stop was on private property - then yes, I would want the bus driver to intervene.

However, we - the public - have seen an actual real fight break out (as opposed to the "playing" in the article you posted) ON a bus, and the bus driver did not intervene and we - the public - were told that it was the right action for him to take by the school administrator's. Driver says he did all he could during Florida school bus beating - CNN.com

So, why is it okay for "private property" to be the jurisdiction of a school, or an extension of school property when it is a bus stop, and okay for a bus driver to intervene in the OP, but not okay for a school bus driver to intervene when an actual fight breaks on a bus (which is actual physical property of the school and not an imaginary extension of school property)?

Kids playing should never, ever, ever be punished unless someone is getting hurt. Boys will play with toy guns, toy swords, etc. etc. and if these toy guns are taken away, they will make up imaginary ones. Boys will be boys.

Playing with toy guns does not equate to a future adult that will be a mass murderer. These school administrators that think this way need to be ... FIRED!!!

No if's, and's, or but's ... just outright terminated. No public apology is necessary.

Big Brother is watching us ! I am not a boy and I played with my cap gun
when I was little girl and I like to take roll of tap and put it on our driveway and hit the little dots with a rock , I had a Hopalong Cassidy outfit and it came a gun and gun holster. My mom brought an outfit for my older sister and ex brother and she had a photographer come to our house and take some photos of us in our Hopalong Cassidy outfits. I sure wish I had that outfit now! That is very scary that a school is able to ban a kid from school for playing with a gun in their own yard. People better wake up , if a school can do this , what is next?

"The school's so-called "zero-tolerance" policy on guns extends to private property, according to the report" WOW! how the HELL did this happen ?? the school 'zero tolerance policy on guns' extends to private property. And just how far onto private property is that? If was not a known fact the boys should be allowed back in school. I would love to know how many people are aware of this being part of the 'zero-tolerance" policy on guns '. I heard of a mother making cupcakes for her son birthday to bring to school and the cupcakes had 'toy soldiers on them . The school would not allow the cupcakes in class room , I guess the toy soldiers where the same one that where in the movie and came to life.

 

[TinCanSailor]

Big Brother is watching us ! I am not a boy and I played with my cap gun
when I was little girl and I like to take roll of tap and put it on our driveway and hit the little dots with a rock , I had a Hopalong Cassidy outfit and it came a gun and gun holster. My mom brought an outfit for my older sister and ex brother and she had a photographer come to our house and take some photos of us in our Hopalong Cassidy outfits. I sure wish I had that outfit now! That is very scary that a school is able to ban a kid from school for playing with a gun in their own yard. People better wake up , if a school can do this , what is next?

The sky's the limit! Wait until schools accept Common Core. That's the real big brother!

Parents should take their kids out of school if they can and home school them.

As a kid working or playing on an uncle's farm, I handled large hay hooks, pitchforks, challenged my cousin by throwing the electric fence gate handles at each other. Like a Taser, only more fun! That cousin ended up becoming a Navy nuclear reactor operator. We weren't warped.....I don't think.

Maybe Reba will tell about her toy gun outfits.

 

[Steinhauer]

Big Brother is watching us ! I am not a boy and I played with my cap gun
when I was little girl and I like to take roll of tap and put it on our driveway and hit the little dots with a rock , I had a Hopalong Cassidy outfit and it came a gun and gun holster. My mom brought an outfit for my older sister and ex brother and she had a photographer come to our house and take some photos of us in our Hopalong Cassidy outfits. I sure wish I had that outfit now! That is very scary that a school is able to ban a kid from school for playing with a gun in their own yard. People better wake up , if a school can do this , what is next?

I was the same way, except I would hit them with a ball pin hammer inside a garage.

I grew up in Florida, and our family would visit Disney World once or twice a year. My dad would buy me and my brother coonskin hats (Like Daniel Boone) and toy flintlock cap pistols and rifles (they sold these at Disney World of all places!!!). I also had cap snubbie revolvers, six shooter cowboy cap pistols, with a cowboy hat - and my dad would make me and my brother lone ranger masks. I also had a child's SWAT outfit and toy machine guns.

Me, my brother and the kids our age in our area had a BALL!!! My little sister would sometimes play - but she had her friends, and they made us all play tea, and house - in order to compromise with them playing cowboys and indians with us.

We also had bottle rocket wars too (which I do not recommend for kids - but it was fun).

 

[Foxrac]

What's overreaction.

Not surprised.

 

[Foxrac]

The sky's the limit! Wait until schools accept Common Core. That's the real big brother!

Parents should take their kids out of school if they can and home school them.

As a kid working or playing on an uncle's farm, I handled large hay hooks, pitchforks, challenged my cousin by throwing the electric fence gate handles at each other. Like a Taser, only more fun! That cousin ended up becoming a Navy nuclear reactor operator. We weren't warped.....I don't think.

Maybe Reba will tell about her toy gun outfits.

The homeschooling can be inconvenience if parents have full time job and don't have enough time availability to spend with their children.

I believe this situation is isolated and not all school follow the way like that.

 

[TinCanSailor]

I was the same way, except I would hit them with a ball pin hammer inside a garage.

I think you meant ball peen hammer.

What, you didn't read the ball peen hammer U.S. governemt safety rules? There really is regulations on the use. Shame, shame.

 

[Jiro]

The homeschooling can be inconvenience if parents have full time job and don't have enough time availability to spend with their children.

I believe this situation is isolated and not all school follow the way like that.

homeschooling is only for parents who DO have time to teach their children.

 

[TinCanSailor]

The homeschooling can be inconvenience if parents have full time job and don't have enough time availability to spend with their children.

I believe this situation is isolated and not all school follow the way like that.

Yes it can be inconvenient. We had to do it for a couple of years when we were out of state due to my ship's construction in WI.

I disagree about isolated, I find similar stories all around the country and even here locally. True that it depends on the school system.

 

[Foxrac]

Yes it can be inconvenient. We had to do it for a couple of years when we were out of state due to my ship's construction in WI.

I disagree about isolated, I find similar stories all around the country and even here locally. True that it depends on the school system.

Yes, I had homeschool for very short time because of psychology issue but my majority complaint is lack of socialization - no classmates, no friends to chat, do activity for fun. If I have my child so I rather to encourage my child to socialize so much as they can.

Oh really, the gun is controversial issue at school and overreaction is major issue too. That why it is better to leave any gun topic out, except for teaching Second Amendment in history lesson, until students are old enough to realize that guns are for real self defense and hunting, that's not for gangs, criminal, shooting at someone for fun.

School to regulate the home's backyard is extremely ridiculous and this school deserved get sued, also VA Department of Education should aware of this issue, that will going damage to taxpayers - lawsuit, court fee, lawyer fee, etc.

 

[hoodoowytch]

All I can say is, "WTF?!" I was a tom-boy when I was a kid. Sling shots, BB guns, toy bows and arrows with those suction cup tips...play swords...whatever. My siblings and I along with the neighbourhood kids were ALWAYS climbing trees, shooting at each other with slingshots filled with either small pebbles or hard seeds....shooting those toy guns that had those rubber suction cup "bullets", or bows and arrows...having "sword" fights...etc. I got shot in the leg with a BB once...hurt like hell but I didn't go running to mommy to go sue the other kid's parents. Ye gods! Like TinCanSailor said, if the idiotic rules they have today were in place back when I was a kid 35+ years ago, I'd STILL be in jail.

Since when do schools have ANY say so over what someone does on their own property? Stupid nosey busybody neighbour needs their ass kicked and they should have to pay any costs they've incurred on the families of these kids.

 

[Mewtilation]

All I can say is, "WTF?!" I was a tom-boy when I was a kid. Sling shots, BB guns, toy bows and arrows with those suction cup tips...play swords...whatever. My siblings and I along with the neighbourhood kids were ALWAYS climbing trees, shooting at each other with slingshots filled with either small pebbles or hard seeds....shooting those toy guns that had those rubber suction cup "bullets", or bows and arrows...having "sword" fights...etc. I got shot in the leg with a BB once...hurt like hell but I didn't go running to mommy to go sue the other kid's parents. Ye gods! Like TinCanSailor said, if the idiotic rules they have today were in place back when I was a kid 35+ years ago, I'd STILL be in jail.

Since when do schools have ANY say so over what someone does on their own property? Stupid nosey busybody neighbour needs their ass kicked and they should have to pay any costs they've incurred on the families of these kids.

I was the same way, huge tom boy... Definitely never thought of "gee I hope I don't get suspended from school for playing with this in my yard!" :roll: Never got shot by a BB.... Definitely took a good shot from a few paintballs though... God, those suck.

 

[Reba]

When I was a kid I had toy cap 6-shooters, rifle, pirate sword (wooden), Zorro sword (plastic), and a cap derringer that popped out of a belt buckle. I had a real jack knife (mother of pearl handle). I loved to build forts out of various materials, soup up my bicycle, and borrow my brother's GI Joe's. I made movie monster models and dioramas.

I also played with dolls and stuffed animals, drew and painted, jumped rope, hopped scotch, outdoor games with friends (red-light green-light, mother-may-I, etc.), skate boarded, roller and ice skated, sledded, marbles, and jacks. I made all kinds of craft items, and read zillions of books from the public library. In the summer we went to the beach. Year round I walked or rode my bike most places. Sometimes I'd take the bus.

 

[Bottesini]

I remember every kid pretty much had guns and knives. We used to play a game of throwing our knives at the ground with the object of seeing who could make the knife stick and stand up straight.

Another fun pastime was setting explosives under tin cans to see who could make the can fly farthest.

One kid in my neighborhood did lose an eye to another friend's bow and arrow.

I was very disappointed to be practically the only kid in the neighborhood who was not allowed to have a BB gun. But I did make up for it later after I got married by skeet shooting with real guns.

 

[whatdidyousay!]

A woman was pulled over for speeding this week and had no DL, she was not arrested and there was no crime admitted according to the cop. 8 hours later the same woman hit 4 women on their bikes in the very same spot she was stopped for speeding and she killed two of the women. There is something very wrong here! Kids playing with toy guns in their yard are a seen as threat to their classmates and a 19 yo woman driving with no DL and speeding is just giving a warning and driven home by a friend and is able to get a friend's car to go out and kill two women! Has people gone completely insane! How about zero intolerance for people that break that laws and drive without having a driving license and this woman was not driving she was speeding both times .

 

[Reba]

I remember every kid pretty much had guns and knives. We used to play a game of throwing our knives at the ground with the object of seeing who could make the knife stick and stand up straight….

Yep, that's what I did with my knife. That's called mumbly peg.