Jesus Wasn't Gods Only Son

[Reba]

Why Jesus pray to his father? It could be impossible that he talk himself because he is a "God". Why Jesus said to his Father... "Father, forgive them"?

Jesus wanted to give us His example to follow. That is the reason.

Every reglious beliefs except Christians who beleive that Jesus is son of God.

What do you mean?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Jesus wanted to give us His example to follow. That is the reason.

Huh? This is not logical example. I thought Jesus would honest with everyone who he really is instead of give us his example to follow.

What do you mean?

Here is list of reglious beliefs...

Catholic (I baptisted to be Roman Catholic and was taught to beleive that Jesus is son of God).
JW (I have JW friends and went school with some of them... They also beleive Jesus is son of God)
Momon
Baptist
Evlangelist
and more list of reglious...

All of reglious you named beleive Jesus is son of God.

All what I learn for a first time from Christians around here who beleieve Jesus is a God. Christians are only one who say this, not every reglious... That´s what I mean...

 

[Askjo]

All religions -- we named that they believed Jesus is the Son of Son, but NOT all of them because some religions believe He is. I would call them, "Another Jesus!" The reason is that they DIFFERENTLY teach anyone about Jesus according to their cults. That is "another gospel!"

 

[Reba]

Huh? This is not logical example. I thought Jesus would honest with everyone who he really is instead of give us his example to follow.
...

I'm sorry but I really don't understand what you mean. What do you mean it is "not logical"?

Jesus was totally honest; Jesus never lied. Jesus also lived as our example to follow. There is no contradiction. Everything He said and did was an example for us.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I'm sorry but I really don't understand what you mean. What do you mean it is "not logical"?

Jesus was totally honest; Jesus never lied. Jesus also lived as our example to follow. There is no contradiction. Everything He said and did was an example for us.

I mean is it´s not sense example because your description about Jesus sounds unhonest/no sense. You responsed my post

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Originally Posted by Liebling))
Why Jesus pray to his father? It could be impossible that he talk himself because he is a "God". Why Jesus said to his Father... "Father, forgive them"?
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and explained why Jesus pray because Jesus wanted to give us His example to follow. That is the reason.

I can´t see the sense why Jesus pray himself when he is a God. He PRAY to his father in heaven, not himself. His father is a God. Jesus already honest with us who he really is and who his father is. He´s a man with blood and flesh.

 

[Reba]

... He´s a man with blood and flesh.

Yes, Jesus was 100% man AND 100% God. He is still 100% God. He was 100% God before He was born as man.

Jesus has always been God.

Jesus created the universe; do you know any "man" that did that?

Jesus never sinned; do you know any "man" that did that?

Jesus' blood has the power to forgive all sins; do you know any "man" that can do that?

Jesus was resurrected from death; do you know any "man" that did that?

Jesus sits on His throne at the right hand of God; do you know any "man" that does that?

 

[Reba]

Why Jesus pray to his father? It could be impossible that he talk himself because he is a "God". Why Jesus said to his Father... "Father, forgive them"?

I can´t see the sense why Jesus pray himself when he is a God. He PRAY to his father in heaven, not himself. His father is a God. Jesus already honest with us who he really is and who his father is. He´s a man with blood and flesh.

Why shouldn't Jesus pray to His Father? Even during the time of Creation, the Father and Son communicated with each other. In the Garden at Gesthemane Jesus prayed to His Father.

On the cross, Jesus was praying to His Father on the behalf of the people.

 

[VamPyroX]

Why Jesus pray to his father? It could be impossible that he talk himself because he is a "God". Why Jesus said to his Father... "Father, forgive them"?

Every reglious beliefs except Christians who beleive that Jesus is son of God.

That's exactly what I think that this religion is doing to us. It's confusing us. Some people say that God and Jesus were two different people. Some people say that God and Jesus were the same person. You made a good point in asking why Jesus would call God, "Father". When it's confusing, it makes people sit around and ponder about the truth... when there's probably no truth behind any of it.

 

[XBGMER]

Jesus was not born of God, but born the flesh and blood of Man and Woman!!!

The debate about the identity of the Lord Jesus Christ in this thread has engendered many strong emotions. There have been many questions/challenges issued against the deity of Christ. There are many things about God that we are not able (in our present state) to comprehend, for instance: that God has no beginning, that God has total control-yet we have free will, that God is everywhere simultaneously, etc. etc.

When it comes to discerning Who Jesus is, we cannot determine it by using logic and reasoning ONLY. We must primarily appeal and yield to the scriptures.

There are hundreds of verses which reveal that Jesus is 'God revealed in the flesh'. When you encounter plain and irrefutable verses which reveal that He is God, if you disagree, then you must either: reject God's word, OR yield to the truth of God's word even though you may not understand it. No one truly understands something even as basic and simple like GRAVITY, yet we all accept it and live by it everyday.

For those who are still harboring doubts about the fact that God visited this earth to die for our sins and to bring us salvation, please consider the following:


1. Genesis 1:26 "Then God said, "Let US make man in OUR image..."

The Hebrew word for God here is plural ELOHIM (literally Gods) BUT the verb tense is SINGULAR, which means that the God is more than one, yet still one. God reveals here at the beginning of His scripture that His nature is a progound mystery...a plural unity. Notice God says US and OUR. God is speaking with and to Himself.

Now move on to the New Testament, we read something very similar:

2. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
Interesting. The Word was WITH God (more than one) yet the Word WAS God (still one). Now, we read further:

"And the Word BECAME FLESH and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. " (verse 14)

The Word (greek LOGOS) was with God, and was God, and became flesh (became a man). This is Jesus Christ.

3. Did Jesus exist BEFORE He was conceived in Mary's womb? Yes.

John 8:56 "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Then they took up stones to throw at Him.

Now, many people TODAY do not accept that Jesus claimed to be God, but the Jews in His day KNEW EXACTLY Who He was claiming to be. First He claimed that He existed BEFORE Abraham, and then He claimed to be the great I AM.

For some background on that title ("I AM")

Exodus 3:13 "Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?”
And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
They were going to stone Jesus for blasphemy. If He wanted to clarify that He was NOT claiming to be God, then He could easily have said "You have misunderstood me...I'm really just a regular man. "

4. The Father calls the Son God...Jesus is NOT an angel.

Hebews 1:6 "But when He again brings the firstborn(Jesus) into the world, He(God the Father) says: “ Let all the angels of God worship Him. And(But) of the angels He says:“ Who makes His angels spirits and His ministers a flame of fire." BUT to the Son He(God the Father) says: “ Your throne, O GOD, is forever and ever;"
The Father calls the angels servants, He calls the Son God.

5. Finally, an apostle calls Jesus both Lord and God.
John 20:28 "And Thomas answered and said to (Jesus), “My Lord and my God!”

These are just a few of the many hundreds of passages we could look at.

Does this end the mystery of the trinity? Absolutely not. Are there still enigmatic questions about how Jesus can be God and man at the same time? Absolutely. The INCARNATION (God becoming man) will remain a mystery, perhaps one that even in eternity we will not be granted the capacity to comprehend.

Let us accept what God has revealed about Himself, and not sit as judge and jury about Who/What He is. He is Who He has revealed Himself to be. Just because we have problems understanding how Jesus could 'PRAY to Himself', or other deep questions in no way dimish what He has revealed in His word.

In conclusion, the angels announced exactly Who Jesus is:

Matthew 1:21 "And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins.” So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “GOD WITH US.”

Jesus is GOD WITH US.
That is the wonder, the mystery, and the unfathomable truth of the ages.

You give me big headarche!!!!! I did not find verse of "JESUS IS GOD" in scripture... here repeat which Jesus is not God!.. But Yes Jesus is son of God be with us... because he is seed of God.. that is ovbiously seed of God be always with us from yesterday, today and forever.. seed is sperm.. get it??

It´s Jesus´s Father (God) who gave him strength to help people. That´s what Jesus told everyone about.

Jesus came to earth to teach people about his Father.

I agree with your post.. If co-called christians called Jesus is God.. oh they meaning that Jesus is the father?? you better ask them by this question as to see if they claimed that Jesus is the Father or not..

I know everyone including you didn´t teach us or preach us etc but share your opinion etc with us... What´s forum for?

I beleive the forum is the important for everyone including us to learn and collect what we beleive right or not... It doesn´t mean that we put everyone down and tell them wrong etc... mislead them....

I see no problem what you beleive different than me... What´s that forum for?

wow, you are smart lady.. I always read your point with damn good point out of their questions.. I admire you what you directly answer and have good point with more clarfication.. Here forums is suppose to be feedback or share their thoughts without judgments or critize..here is no way to be force them to believe their beliefs. but some christians do force others believe their own beliefs and profits without respect others opinions and expreinces.. it is wrong...

Here is list of reglious beliefs...

Catholic (I baptisted to be Roman Catholic and was taught to beleive that Jesus is son of God).
JW (I have JW friends and went school with some of them... They also beleive Jesus is son of God)
Momon
Baptist
Evlangelist
and more list of reglious...

All of reglious you named beleive Jesus is son of God.

All what I learn for a first time from Christians around here who beleieve Jesus is a God. Christians are only one who say this, not every reglious... That´s what I mean...

of course Jesus is son of God.. And even John the bapist claimed that This is Son of God.. he never put himself told disciple that Jesus is God.. I don't know nor understand why modern christians claim that Jesus is God.. that why I aint asscoite with them anymore for rest of my life...

Yes, Jesus was 100% man AND 100% God. He is still 100% God. He was 100% God before He was born as man.

Jesus has always been God.

Jesus created the universe; do you know any "man" that did that?

Jesus never sinned; do you know any "man" that did that?

Jesus' blood has the power to forgive all sins; do you know any "man" that can do that?

Jesus was resurrected from death; do you know any "man" that did that?

Jesus sits on His throne at the right hand of God; do you know any "man" that does that?

this is make non sense.. this is untelligance post.. but ask you , what is your point about jesus's life?? have you saw jesus's mircale for real?? Have you as witness that Jsus did rise larzus out of grave and went to heaven??? Did you saw Mary got pregant by God not man???

 

[Endymion]

Trinity question here.

I think the concept of Trinity came much after the bible was written, am I right? If I am, does that mean people should take the concept of Trinity with (at least slightly) less salt than the book itself?

 

[XBGMER]

Trinity question here.

I think the concept of Trinity came much after the bible was written, am I right? If I am, does that mean people should take the concept of Trinity with (at least slightly) less salt than the book itself?

Hi there... Can i ask you some or one question for you.. Where you learned that trinity from??

truly I read [I can't remembered his name] person's own book of his author about "where trinity came from".. he was discovered that trinity was invested by ancient greek people... I can't recalled that famous name of three face or three heads with one body from greek myth...that how modern christians borrowed title from greek that what they are still follow and worship three divisions than one God by themselves.. For today, they people are totally confusion themselves!! trust me...

 

[jazzy]

Who was the father of Jesus? Who got Mary pregnant?

Prayer is communicate between God and us.

 

[jazzy]

Trinity question here.

I think the concept of Trinity came much after the bible was written, am I right? If I am, does that mean people should take the concept of Trinity with (at least slightly) less salt than the book itself?

Jesus said no one go to Heavenly Father except go thru Him and I believe Him.

 

[Reba]

Good link:

Originally Posted by Ktisis
The debate about the identity of the Lord Jesus Christ in this thread has engendered many strong emotions. There have been many questions/challenges issued against the deity of Christ. There are many things about God that we are not able (in our present state) to comprehend, for instance: that God has no beginning, that God has total control-yet we have free will, that God is everywhere simultaneously, etc. etc.

When it comes to discerning Who Jesus is, we cannot determine it by using logic and reasoning ONLY. We must primarily appeal and yield to the scriptures.

There are hundreds of verses which reveal that Jesus is 'God revealed in the flesh'. When you encounter plain and irrefutable verses which reveal that He is God, if you disagree, then you must either: reject God's word, OR yield to the truth of God's word even though you may not understand it. No one truly understands something even as basic and simple like GRAVITY, yet we all accept it and live by it everyday.

For those who are still harboring doubts about the fact that God visited this earth to die for our sins and to bring us salvation, please consider the following:


1. Genesis 1:26 "Then God said, "Let US make man in OUR image..."

The Hebrew word for God here is plural ELOHIM (literally Gods) BUT the verb tense is SINGULAR, which means that the God is more than one, yet still one. God reveals here at the beginning of His scripture that His nature is a progound mystery...a plural unity. Notice God says US and OUR. God is speaking with and to Himself.

Now move on to the New Testament, we read something very similar:

2. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
Interesting. The Word was WITH God (more than one) yet the Word WAS God (still one). Now, we read further:

"And the Word BECAME FLESH and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. " (verse 14)

The Word (greek LOGOS) was with God, and was God, and became flesh (became a man). This is Jesus Christ.

3. Did Jesus exist BEFORE He was conceived in Mary's womb? Yes.

John 8:56 "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Then they took up stones to throw at Him.

Now, many people TODAY do not accept that Jesus claimed to be God, but the Jews in His day KNEW EXACTLY Who He was claiming to be. First He claimed that He existed BEFORE Abraham, and then He claimed to be the great I AM.

For some background on that title ("I AM")

Exodus 3:13 "Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?”
And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
They were going to stone Jesus for blasphemy. If He wanted to clarify that He was NOT claiming to be God, then He could easily have said "You have misunderstood me...I'm really just a regular man. "

4. The Father calls the Son God...Jesus is NOT an angel.

Hebews 1:6 "But when He again brings the firstborn(Jesus) into the world, He(God the Father) says: “ Let all the angels of God worship Him. And(But) of the angels He says:“ Who makes His angels spirits and His ministers a flame of fire." BUT to the Son He(God the Father) says: “ Your throne, O GOD, is forever and ever;"
The Father calls the angels servants, He calls the Son God.

5. Finally, an apostle calls Jesus both Lord and God.
John 20:28 "And Thomas answered and said to (Jesus), “My Lord and my God!”

These are just a few of the many hundreds of passages we could look at.

Does this end the mystery of the trinity? Absolutely not. Are there still enigmatic questions about how Jesus can be God and man at the same time? Absolutely. The INCARNATION (God becoming man) will remain a mystery, perhaps one that even in eternity we will not be granted the capacity to comprehend.

Let us accept what God has revealed about Himself, and not sit as judge and jury about Who/What He is. He is Who He has revealed Himself to be. Just because we have problems understanding how Jesus could 'PRAY to Himself', or other deep questions in no way dimish what He has revealed in His word.

In conclusion, the angels announced exactly Who Jesus is:

Matthew 1:21 "And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins.” So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “GOD WITH US.”

Jesus is GOD WITH US.
That is the wonder, the mystery, and the unfathomable truth of the ages.

 

[Reba]

You give me big headarche!!!!!

Uh, oh, take an aspirin.

...but some christians do force others believe their own beliefs and profits without respect others opinions and expreinces.. it is wrong...

How does anyone "force" other people to believe something against their will? I can't force anyone to belief something. I can present facts and viewpoints, and then let the Holy Spirit convict and convince souls. That is all I can do. No force.

... I don't know nor understand why modern christians claim that Jesus is God.. .

If Jesus isn't God, how can He save souls? If Jesus isn't God, why do people worship Him? If Jesus isn't God, how did He create the universe?

...have you saw jesus's mircale for real??

Yes. I have seen the miracle of transformed lives, my own included.

Have you as witness that Jsus did rise larzus out of grave and went to heaven??? Did you saw Mary got pregant by God not man???

If we had to see everything with our own eyes, we would have no faith. God's grace gives us the faith we need to believe.

Do you truly believe only things that you yourself have witnessed or touched?

 

[Reba]

...I think the concept of Trinity came much after the bible was written, am I right? If I am, does that mean people should take the concept of Trinity with (at least slightly) less salt than the book itself?

The concept of God the Father, Son (Jesus Christ), and Holy Spirit as one has always been biblical. The English word "Trinity" is a more recent word used to describe that concept.

I love the sign for "Trinity" -- "3-in-1".

Our pastor uses the term "Tri-Unity"; I think that fits the concept well. Three personalities with one heart, mind, and goal, together unified.

 

[chirowife03]

because he was a literal flesh son of God. God is a man. He has arms, legs, bones and flesh. He looks like we do. We are his children. We are his spirit children. We got our bones and flesh from Adam and Eve. Christ was a literal son of God.

He is singled out becuase of that and because he was the only one of us to live on this earth who was ONE with god. Meaning one in purpose. He was without sin. He was perfect and he earned that admiration from his father and that love from his fahter for the sacrifice he made for us. If you really read the story and study it.. his death.....how he was tortured.......what the true history behind it is.......how can you not reverence him? the movies I go to and see.. always using his name in vain. Makes me so sad. His name is sacred. His sacrifice that like no other.....and just becuase he loved us. He thought we were worth it.

It is humbling... cause most of the time I don't beleive I am worth the suffering and the gift he gave for me. To bleed at every pore. It is not only the physical suffering but the spiritual suffering. He always did as the father commanded. Always......but it got so bad that in the garden of gethsemane he even asked heavenly father to remove this cup from me......but as thy will be done. He was giving heavenly father a chance to remove this suffering he was going to endure from him. But, the Father needed him to do it.....the world needed him to do it. And he did.... I dont know about you but that demands our respect and love and repentance.

The scriptures say that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that jesus is the christ one day. Will you know him when he comes? many will say lord lord.....and he will say , depart from me for i know you not. Becuase of the way we are living here.....will determine if we know him or not. Not claiming one thing and living as you please.

I'm on a soapbox....I'm going to bed now.

My best to you

Penni

 

[Reba]

because he was a literal flesh son of God. God is a man. He has arms, legs, bones and flesh. He looks like we do.

John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

God the Father is a spirit; that's why He had to send Jesus the Son to earth thru a physical birth out of a woman's womb, in order to get a body. That is the only way He could make Himself the perfect sacrifice. He needed a flesh and blood body.

We are his children. We are his spirit children. We got our bones and flesh from Adam and Eve. Christ was a literal son of God.

God's only children are those who accept Jesus Christ as personal Savior. Sinners become children of God thru the new birth, the spiritual birth of redemption by the blood of Jesus. We get our sin nature from Adam; we can only get our new nature thru salvation in Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

He is singled out becuase of that and because he was the only one of us to live on this earth who was ONE with god. Meaning one in purpose. He was without sin. He was perfect and he earned that admiration from his father and that love from his fahter for the sacrifice he made for us.

Jesus was perfect and sinless because He was God. He was God at Creation, and He was God when He was born on earth, and He was God on the cross, and He is God, ruling in Heaven. Jesus was God in eternity past, in the present, and in future eternity. Jesus has always been God.

... the movies I go to and see.. always using his name in vain. Makes me so sad.

So why do you go to those movies???

The scriptures say that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that jesus is the christ one day. Will you know him when he comes?

I will see Jesus in Heaven when I die, or when I am raptured up to meet Him in the sky (whichever happens first). I won't be left here on earth when He comes again. :P

 

[chirowife03]

Noone said your knee would bow on your driveway.. it just says that every knee shall bow and tongue confess.. there shall be no denying that he Lives.

I cannot wait for that actually for all the fools that mock. They will so be humbled at that moment.

 

[Maria]

Humble is the best and God favors those who humbles before Him. Humility is the thing God is lookin' for.