Jared Fogle Is Spending His Days In Prison Eating And Getting Slapped Around

Cappy said:
What you described is sometimes called a "thought crime". Just because someone read or viewed something unacceptable by others, does not mean you will act on it. But, sometimes get arrested for it regardless. Even though you never physically acted on it.
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That's not the reason child porn is illegal. The reason is because the children are exploited in producing the porn. It doesn't matter if the porn is never acted upon. Just the fact that it's produced and distributed is the crime.
 
Reba said:
That's not the reason child porn is illegal. The reason is because the children are exploited in producing the porn. It doesn't matter if the porn is never acted upon. Just the fact that it's produced and distributed is the crime.
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100 percent agree with you. I did not mean to make my comment strictly about that. That is nothing to joke about. I should have stated that was off-topic. "H" was making references to ISIS youtube vids and other things. I was thinking, a good exapmle would be: My 85yo Grandma loves reading Murder/Mystery novels. OMG! Granny is planning on killing everyone! Call the "thought police"! or similar, My neighbor got a new car. The speedometer shows over 120mph. OMG! call the thought police, he is gonna be speeding everywhere! I could go on, but I am sure you now understand what I meant.
 
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Reba said:
That's not the reason child porn is illegal. The reason is because the children are exploited in producing the porn. It doesn't matter if the porn is never acted upon. Just the fact that it's produced and distributed is the crime.
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Murdering. Stoning to death and or burning people alive in cages is also illegal.as an example
And very very harmful to the health of those who it is inflicted upon
which obviously doesn't need to be said.
no one here anyway denies the harmfull affects of child porno.
that stated
we can understand and recognize the difference between an he viewing of something via media and not he actual perpetrating of it
the viewing of either child porn or somone getting murdererd does not in any way translate or equate to the person viewing the said attrocities actually doing the said attrocities

the viewing of child porn is not the same as actually doing the molesting obviously
unless its some more work of magic where in regards to children
Porn the viewing of it and have he actually perpetrating it is the same yet in murdering or burning alive or stoning to death of people and the viewing of it is
He doesn't contest he posesed child porn.
but that doesn't not make him the one who had perpetrated those heanus acts.
 
hoichi2 said:
Murdering. Stoning to death and or burning people alive in cages is also illegal.as an example
And very very harmful to the health of those who it is inflicted upon
which obviously doesn't need to be said.
no one here anyway denies the harmfull affects of child porno.
that stated
we can understand and recognize the difference between an he viewing of something via media and not he actual perpetrating of it
the viewing of either child porn or somone getting murdererd does not in any way translate or equate to the person viewing the said attrocities actually doing the said attrocities

the viewing of child porn is not the same as actually doing the molesting obviously
unless its some more work of magic where in regards to children
Porn the viewing of it and have he actually perpetrating it is the same yet in murdering or burning alive or stoning to death of people and the viewing of it is
He doesn't contest he posesed child porn.
but that doesn't not make him the one who had perpetrated those heanus acts.
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Except by being a consumer of child porn one provides a profit motive for the conveyors of child porn to churn out even more of their disgusting product, which means exploiting and harming even more children.
 
Reba said:
Except by being a consumer of child porn one provides a profit motive for the conveyors of child porn to churn out even more of their disgusting product, which means exploiting and harming even more children.
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No one denies that.
 
hoichi2 said:
17 year olds are not children
Its the age of consent in ny
are you arguing ny allows and permits children to have legel sex?
And has legel child labour
lets children drive and own vehicles?
To live on their own?

Do you really believe 17 year olds are actually children as in prepubescent?

Im curious
if 17 year olds are children pls explain how when the clock strikes midnight on their 18 b-day they by some work of magic or maricle or perhaps both somehow someway are in the span of a second not?
Fact is
human beings of that age are not children
they are obviously and clearly something else.
to peg them the same or with seven year olds or what ever is nuts

He possesed child porno. No doubt. He doesn't even contest it
to claim he molested kids is false. And is unfair. Since fairness is a faculty of justice it follows pegging him as such is contrary to the spirit of what justice is.

He got handed more time for hiring a working girl of the age of consent then many murderers. Gangsters. Pushers. Rapists get

Nuts
that really is
nuts
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Fact is, you are nuts. If you are somehow trying to justify a lecherous older man banging a 17 year old by claiming the 17 year old is not a child, while at the same time, knowing this lecherous older man was in possession of child pornography, you have a seriously warped view of the world. Yes, a child can drive a car, what is the difference between a 12 year old who can drive a car and a 17 year old child that has a license? Is there some sort of magical miracle that makes a 17 year old more capable of putting a car in drive than a 12 year old? Operating the gas pedal and brakes? What about the ages of 14 and 15? Is there some strange occurrence that happens when the clock strikes midnight on a CHILD'S 15th birthday that somehow enables them to be gifted with some sort of secret knowledge in order to get their learner's permit?

A 17 year old is a child. The age of consent means that their parents must grant that consent. In case you missed it, the parents must grant consent because a 17 year old is a CHILD.
 
Steinhauer said:
Fact is, you are nuts. If you are somehow trying to justify a lecherous older man banging a 17 year old by claiming the 17 year old is not a child, while at the same time, knowing this lecherous older man was in possession of child pornography, you have a seriously warped view of the world. Yes, a child can drive a car, what is the difference between a 12 year old who can drive a car and a 17 year old child that has a license? Is there some sort of magical miracle that makes a 17 year old more capable of putting a car in drive than a 12 year old? Operating the gas pedal and brakes? What about the ages of 14 and 15? Is there some strange occurrence that happens when the clock strikes midnight on a CHILD'S 15th birthday that somehow enables them to be gifted with some sort of secret knowledge in order to get their learner's permit?

A 17 year old is a child. The age of consent means that their parents must grant that consent. In case you missed it, the parents must grant consent because a 17 year old is a CHILD.
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I am not nuts.
thank you for your concern though.
and im not trying to justify anything. Im just stating facts.

Look man
im not here to convince you.
if you believe 17 year olds are children ok.
cool

In my work i teach both children and adults.
in our children's classes we do not put 17 year olds against 8 year olds.

There is a reason for that. A good one besides that old conard of force equals mass times acceleration..so on...
body mass. Body weight. The different control and ability in the use of ones body and mind between those ages.

But maybe ill talk to the head sensie .let him know his errors..

Maybe your right
17 year olds are children.
mmmmm


I wonder how fast those cross chokes will occur when we integrate 17 year old children in the children's classes.

Won't be pretty
I wonder.

Do you believe in Santa clause too?
 
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In retrospect, you are attempting to defend a child molester. A lecherous older male preying on children. Yes, you are effing nuts.

There is a reason why a 17 year old must have parental consent before having sex in New York. Would you like to know the reason?

Because they are considered a child. Not an 8 year old child, a 17 year old child. There is a reason why an 8 year old does not get granted "parental consent" when it comes to sex. If I have to explain those reasons to you, you probably should be sitting in the cell next to Jared. I am sure the two of you would have a lively debate on what age a child should stop being called a child.
 
Steinhauer said:
In retrospect, you are attempting holds a different opinion.end a child molester. A lecherous older male preying on children. Yes, you are effing nuts.

There is a reason why a 17 year old must have parental consent before having sex in New York. Would you like to know the reason?

Because they are considered a child. Not an 8 year old child, a 17 year old child. There is a reason why an 8 year old does not get granted "parental consent" when it comes to sex. If I have to explain those reasons to you, you probably should be sitting in the cell next to Jared. I am sure the two of you would have a lively debate on what age a child should stop being called a child.
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Im not sure why you seem to have issues having a mature discussion with someone who holds a different opinion.

You claim to be a Christian.
if so
you should be well aware on how your faith views slander.

It should be unbecoming of you.

Don't slander me.

Im not defending his deads. I think the sentence for his crimes is a gross travesty of Justice.

I am stating facts
in regards to what he did.

If he molested or raped a child in ny. As in the hiring of the 17 year old working girl. Why was he not charged for that crime where he committed it?
Surely raping and molesting children is a crime in ny?

If you can't have a serious but rational discussion without sinking to slander perhaps you should remove yourself from it.
just some friendly advice.

For what its worth.

That stated fair enough
you view 17 year olds as children...
cool
i view them as adults. Capable of making adult decisions. We give 17 year olds allot of responsibility where i work for that reason. As i feel and im not alone that the longer we pander to them as children the longer they will remain children.

So our philosophy here is rather different.

Cool

You claim 17 year olds are children. And by an act of magic when the clock strikes midnight in their 18 bday they are not.
alright.

Im cool with that

(Shakes head)

Indeed their is s reason why 8 year olds are considered children and parents shouldn't consent to them having sex.

On that
we agree
 
I'm not sure why you consider yourself a mature person.

What gives that stroke of midnight between the age of 14 and 15 the magical powers of knowledge to get a learner's permit to operate a vehicle?

Is a 15 year old considered an adult? Do they require adult supervision when operating a vehicle? I mean, operating a vehicle might make someone who is immature feel more "grown up" and 'adultier" but personal feelings have no bearing on this matter.

Do you base all of your "facts" on your personal whims and feelings? You claim you are a mature person, but I have not seen any evidence.

When a child wears their daddy's or mommy's shoes, does that make them an adult? or, are they just playing "grown up"? When a child is a prostitute, does that make them an adult?

You have made the case that since this child is a prostitute, that makes them an adult. It doesn't.
 
When a child does "adult" things, they are still a child. When Laura Dekker sailed the world single handed, she was a child.
 
Steinhauer said:
When a child does "adult" things, they are still a child. When Laura Dekker sailed the world single handed, she was a child.
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Still a child until that magic second as the clock strikes midnight...
evidently...

Magic is neat stuff...
all round
 
Steinhauer said:
I'm not sure why you consider yourself a mature person.

What gives that stroke of midnight between the age of 14 and 15 the magical powers of knowledge to get a learner's permit to operate a vehicle?

Is a 15 year old considered an adult? Do they require adult supervision when operating a vehicle? I mean, operating a vehicle might make someone who is immature feel more "grown up" and 'adultier" but personal feelings have no bearing on this matter.

Do you base all of your "facts" on your personal whims and feelings? You claim you are a mature person, but I have not seen any evidence.

When a child wears their daddy's or mommy's shoes, does that make them an adult? or, are they just playing "grown up"? When a child is a prostitute, does that make them an adult?

You have made the case that since this child is a prostitute, that makes them an adult. It doesn't.
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I've made no such case.
In no place did i state if a child is a prostitute it makes the child an adult.

Pls read my posts again.

What i am stating is i do not view or hold or consider 17 year olds
children

Neither does new York state for that matter. Or it would of acted on it.

I don't base facts on my feelings
do you base all your facts on your magic?
 
If the State of New York did not consider a 17 year old a child, then they would not require the parents to consent.

Does a 30 year old require the consent of their parents to have sex?

In ANY State?

Again, your "feelings" are not "facts". You seem to have a problem differentiating between the two.
 
What's this thing about parents consenting? Age of consent is the person themselves, not the parent.

But I thought he was convicted for the child pornography?
 
Bottesini said:
What's this thing about parents consenting? Age of consent is the person themselves, not the parent.

But I thought he was convicted for the child pornography?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_consent

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_majority

Do you see anywhere in those two wiki articles anything that claims prostitution is legal in the State of New York?

The Age of Majority in the State of New York is 18. That means a 17 year old is considered a minor.

A child.

A child can be granted emancipation at the age of 16 in New York, but only if they are granted this by a court. They must be self sufficient, live separately from their parents, and handle their own financial affairs with no help from their parents.

But ... they are still considered a minor - a child.
 
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Steinhauer said:
If the State of New York did not consider a 17 year old a child, then they would not require the parents to consent.

Does a 30 year old require the consent of their parents to have sex?

In ANY State?

Again, your "feelings" are not "facts". You seem to have a problem differentiating between the two.
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Let me ask you a quick qustion
if the state dictates water is not wet.
Your the type to fall upon your knees and believe it right?

No kidding
 
Steinhauer said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_consent

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_majority

Do you see anywhere in those two wiki articles anything that claims prostitution is legal in the State of New York?

The Age of Majority in the State of New York is 18. That means a 17 year old is considered a minor.

A child.

A child can be granted emancipation at the age of 16 in New York, but only if they are granted this by a court. They must be self sufficient, live separately from their parents, and handle their own financial affairs with no help from their parents.

But ... they are still considered a minor - a child.
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Have i or anyone ever claimed prostitution is legal in ny?

If he committed such heinous crimes in ny. Why was he not charged for those crimes in ny?
 
Bottesini said:
What's this thing about parents consenting? Age of consent is the person themselves, not the parent.

But I thought he was convicted for the child pornography?
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He was convicted of both possessing child porn and crossing sate lines to have sex with a minor.
 
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