Iowa Wrestler Defaults Rather Than Face Girl

DD - I think it is due to underlying cause of clashes from some social set of 'etiquette' norms, either from culture standards, or individual beliefs.

I wouldn't go as far as to implode my personal sets of standards on another, but I respect that people have their own opinions and would have no means to change them.


In fact, we, as those who are in the flow of modernized pseudo-american culture, we know the trend is going towards less segregation of women in predominately male-originated activities. IMO, it has both positive and negative impacts..

Positive in that the fact it's indisputable that over time if this continues, women would have equal representation in normal american culture within several generations. Negative in that it challenges and disrupts old fashioned standards, culture and such.

The steer seems positive overall, with serious physical sports that are not only cardiovascular but more in line with self defense, it would benefit women as a whole group. Krav Maga is an example of 'exploitation' in that, where women are seen taking guys down in the sport both in sparring and real life - as a guy I notice men get wowed by these things because they're usually overlooked and seen as insignificant in physical prowess, then reality shows otherwise.

I try to encourage coed activities personally, rather than singling women out. In ultimate, girls in there are ok with until they give that look "I don't feel like playing, so I'll do half effort." Then it means time to take a break. :D
 
Ironically, young women have flourished in academics, sports, and leadership when they attended women-only schools.

During World War II, women filled men's roles in the workplace on the home front.

Women excel in the LPGA, volley ball teams, etc.

I have no doubt that women can perform exemplary well in a wide range of skills and activities.

There's no need for women to compete with men in contact sports to "prove" anything.

In my opinion.

It is also my opinion that forcing women to join men's organizations instead of forming organizations for women is just a flimsy excuse for not allowing women to have equal resources for their own organizations.
 
Wanna thumbwrestle, ladies? No, wait, you usually win! :lol:
 
This is a matter of the girls' rights. Title IX.

The view that girls participating in certain sports is not "proper" or "lady-like" is irrelevant.
 
This is a matter of the girls' rights. Title IX.

The view that girls participating in certain sports is not "proper" or "lady-like" is irrelevant.


Of course, in terms of the matter within the article.
But the focus of the discussion has shifted towards the overall aspect of women vs men at some point within the posts - what do you feel about that form of competition?
 
Post #45:

If a girl can compete against boys, let her do it.

It's not like girls are a different species. :giggle:

How a person perceives this issue may be effected by whether he/she played with the opposite sex as kids. I grew up playing with boys, and I got some licks in!
 
This is a matter of the girls' rights. Title IX.

The view that girls participating in certain sports is not "proper" or "lady-like" is irrelevant.
The girls' rights to participate was never in question.
 
In my opinion.

It is also my opinion that forcing women to join men's organizations instead of forming organizations for women is just a flimsy excuse for not allowing women to have equal resources for their own organizations.

Forcing women? I highly doubt that. I am willing to bet that most, if not all, of the time, there simply isn't enough women. So THAT itself "forces" women to play with men.

Example: There is a women's football (yes, REAL football) team here in Huntsville. They have enough women to play as a team to represent Huntsville, BUT they have a hard time practicing because they don't have enough to play real scrimmage. So sometimes they play against men to practice.

Honestly, everyone is talking about women's rights, equal opportunities, etc. But it really it all boils down to 1 issue: There simple aren't enough women interested.

Just curious, what do you say to a woman who is exceptionally good in wrestling but there's only a handful of wrestling women within the state? Is she just stuck wrestling with only those women? Who would she practice with? She plays a few games, and wins them all, that's it? That's the extend of her wrestling career? She moves to national (if a national for women even exists) after only 3 games? Is that what you prefer?
 
Forcing women? I highly doubt that. I am willing to bet that most, if not all, of the time, there simply isn't enough women. So THAT itself "forces" women to play with men.

Example: There is a women's football (yes, REAL football) team here in Huntsville. They have enough women to play as a team to represent Huntsville, BUT they have a hard time practicing because they don't have enough to play real scrimmage. So sometimes they play against men to practice.

Honestly, everyone is talking about women's rights, equal opportunities, etc. But it really it all boils down to 1 issue: There simple aren't enough women interested.

Just curious, what do you say to a woman who is exceptionally good in wrestling but there's only a handful of wrestling women within the state? Is she just stuck wrestling with only those women? Who would she practice with? She plays a few games, and wins them all, that's it? That's the extend of her wrestling career? She moves to national (if a national for women even exists) after only 3 games? Is that what you prefer?

Not so fast. Says who? It comes down to the power of the media.
 
Not so fast. Says who? It comes down to the power of the media.

If you are talking about the general population being swayed by the opinion of the media, well that's a different thing. I'm talking about MY opinion.

If MORE women were interested in traditionally men's sports, then we would see less of this issue. That's how I see it. Initial intent for women wanting to play with men is simply because they want to play. "Proving something" is an effect that comes AFTER the opposition comes. It's simple.

Girl: "Hey, I do pretty good at wrestling. I want to play."

Boy: "Pfft. Nah uh. No you can't. You are a girl."

Girl: "So? Come on. No other girl wants to play with me. Let's do a round, I want to show you that I CAN play well!"

That's when it becomes all political (thanks to the media). But original intent is STILL most likely "I just want to play."
 
Forcing women? I highly doubt that. I am willing to bet that most, if not all, of the time, there simply isn't enough women. So THAT itself "forces" women to play with men.

Example: There is a women's football (yes, REAL football) team here in Huntsville. They have enough women to play as a team to represent Huntsville, BUT they have a hard time practicing because they don't have enough to play real scrimmage. So sometimes they play against men to practice.

Honestly, everyone is talking about women's rights, equal opportunities, etc. But it really it all boils down to 1 issue: There simple aren't enough women interested.

Just curious, what do you say to a woman who is exceptionally good in wrestling but there's only a handful of wrestling women within the state? Is she just stuck wrestling with only those women? Who would she practice with? She plays a few games, and wins them all, that's it? That's the extend of her wrestling career? She moves to national (if a national for women even exists) after only 3 games? Is that what you prefer?
That's life. There are lots of students who can't do everything they want in sports for various reasons. Guys who live in small towns might also attend schools that can't support even male teams. That's the breaks.

There are high schools that don't have any wrestling teams, male or female. They don't all have fencing, rifle, swimming, squash, hockey, etc. There isn't enough money, facilities, or interest to support every student athlete's desire.
 
That's life. There are lots of students who can't do everything they want in sports for various reasons. Guys who live in small towns might also attend schools that can't support even male teams. That's the breaks.

There are high schools that don't have any wrestling teams, male or female. They don't all have fencing, rifle, swimming, squash, hockey, etc. There isn't enough money, facilities, or interest to support every student athlete's desire.

Ah... well personally, I think it's different when you look around and say "Won't someone play squash with me?" and getting response 1: "Sorry, I don't play squash." vs response 2: "Sorry, I won't play squash with you because you're a girl."

You are correct that there isn't enough money, facilities, or interest to support every student athlete's desire, but see, gender-imposed separation DOESN'T HELP either. That is just adding another constraint. Money, facilities, and lack of interest are all realistic "tough breaks" but telling someone that they can't play just because they have boobies is not a "tough break" example. It's an artificial constraint imposed by people simply because they are uncomfortable with the idea of boys "touching" girls.

Don't you think us girls get enough tough breaks?

Also, I want to add that I think the guy in the OP is perfectly within his rights to not want to wrestle with this girl. So yes, in this case, it is a "tough break" situation for that girl, but I am willing to bet that other guys do not mind a match with her. (And NOT for "touching" reasons!)
 
...Don't you think us girls get enough "tough breaks"?
Being that I've been thru all the stages of girlhood and womanhood (except elderly), and experienced the decades of the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's, and now the 21st Century, I can safely say that I've never felt that way.
 
Do you think that is okay? Boys and girls cheerleading together? With all that touching?
Not every school has male and female cheerleaders. Even those that do don't necessarily have them pyramiding together.
 
oh... I want to be at the bottom of pyramid...
 
Not every school has male and female cheerleaders. Even those that do don't necessarily have them pyramiding together.

It doesn't matter. Not all schools have co-ed wrestling either.

So is it okay? Even if only a handful of schools do it?

(Although male/female cheerleading is pretty common in colleges.... male usually lifts female by the buttocks.)
 
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