So wrestling is pretty much inappropriate for everyone then, not just the boys and girls.
Iowa Wrestler Defaults Rather Than Face Girl
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So wrestling is pretty much inappropriate for everyone then, not just the boys and girls.
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that's not an issue in here.
I'm cool with girl-girl wrestling but I'm not cool with girl-boy wrestling. My brain's hardwired with fail-safe protocol to not hit a girl and looks like this guy too.
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I wrestled with a woman before.
Trust me, when I wrestled - it was 100% competition. Nothing sexually related.
Trust me, when I wrestled - it was 100% competition. Nothing sexually related.
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If a girl can compete against boys, let her do it. This guy's just afraid he'll get his butt kicked by a girl. BTW, that happened in the movie Diary of a Wimpy Kid, and it was hysterical. I recommend the movie, especially for school age kids.
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What's not an issue? Boundaries are being pushed. It's making people uncomfortable.
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DES MOINES, Iowa -- After a standout season in which he went 35-4, Joel Northrup had every reason to dream of winning an Iowa wrestling championship this year, but he gave it all up before his first state tournament match Thursday.
Northrup, a home-schooled sophomore who competes for Linn-Mar High School, said his religious beliefs wouldn't allow him to wrestle Cassy Herkelman, a pony-tailed freshman from Cedar Falls who is one of the first two girls to qualify for the tournament in its 85-year history.
Northrup issued a statement through his school expressing his "tremendous" respect for what Herkelman and Ottumwa sophomore Megan Black achieved this season, but he said didn't feel he had a choice.
"Wrestling is a combat sport and it can get violent at times," Northrup said in a statement released by his high school. "As a matter of conscience and my faith I do not believe that it is appropriate for a boy to engage a girl in this manner. It is unfortunate that I have been placed in a situation not seen in most other high school sports in Iowa."
His father, Jamie Northrup, told The Associated Press later Thursday that his son struggled with the decision.
"He's poured his heart and soul into wrestling and into being the best in the state," Jamie Northrup said. "He's never won a state championship, so he's certainly looking forward to that day. So it's agonizing, from all the work and the effort and the hope.
"But it's easy in that, he, a long time ago, drew a line and said 'I don't believe it's right for a boy to wrestle a girl.'"
There were several thousand fans at Wells Fargo Arena on Thursday, but many were watching other matches when the referee raised Herkelman's hand to signal her win. There was a smattering of cheers and boos from the crowd before Herkelman was whisked into the bowels of the arena.
Northrup's decision to default put Herkelman in the quarterfinals in the 112-pound weight class, and it put her name in the record book as the first girl to win an Iowa state tournament match. But it deprived her of the chance to show the skills that earned her a 20-13 pre-tournament record.
Tournament organizers declined to make Herkelman available for questions. But her father, Bill Herkelman, told the AP via text message that he understands and respects Northrup's decision.
"It's nice to get the first win and have her be on the way to the medal round," Bill Herkelman wrote. "I sincerely respect the decision of the Northrup family especially since it was made on the biggest stage in wrestling. I have heard nothing but good things about the Northrup family and hope Joel does very well the remainder of the tourney."
Because he defaulted and didn't forfeit, Northrup was allowed to compete in the consolation rounds, and he won his first match later Thursday by major decision.
He was spared any chance of meeting up with Black - who also wrestles at 112 pounds and was 25-13 entering the tournament - when she was eliminated after being pinned in both of her matches.
Northrup and Herkelman would be matched up again if both were to make the finals in the consolation bracket. If that happens, Northrup would likely make the same decision, his father said.
Jamie Northrup is a minister in the Believers in Grace Fellowship, an independent Pentecostal church in Marion that believes young men and women shouldn't touch in a "familiar way," said Bill Randles, the church's pastor.
"We believe in the elevation and respect of woman and we don't think that wrestling a woman is the right thing to do. Body slamming and takedowns, that full contact sport is not how to do that."
Randles said Joel has been involved in wrestling for many years, and he and his family have discussed before the possibility of girls getting involved in the sport.
"It's totally his choice. He's a young man now and he's worked hard to get where he's gotten. It's up to him, and it was his conviction" not to wrestle Herkelman.
Black said Northrup refused to wrestle her three years ago, and that she respects him for adhering to his beliefs.
"If it's his religion and he's strong in his religion, then I just respect that," Black said. "Obviously, everyone can be pointing fingers at him. He, at least, is true to his beliefs and you have to respect that. It takes a lot for a 15- or 16-year-old boy to do."
Marth Stetzel, a mother from Perry who had two sons in the tournament, said she had no problem with Northrup's decision.
"We're really raising kids that are going to be bigger than wrestling, and if it's something that he believes strongly in - which is not necessarily what I would do - you've got to respect a kid like that," Stetzel said.
Wrestling is extremely popular in Iowa, and Black and Herkelman are the first girls to qualify for the state tournament since it was first sanctioned by the Iowa High School Athletic Association in 1926.
According to the National Federation of State High School Associations, more than 6,000 girls competed in wrestling in 2009-10 - compared with nearly 275,000 boys. Though most states require girls to wrestle boys, California, Hawaii, Texas, Washington and Tennessee sponsor girls-only high school wrestling tournaments.
DES MOINES, Iowa -- After a standout season in which he went 35-4, Joel Northrup had every reason to dream of winning an Iowa wrestling championship this year, but he gave it all up before his first state tournament match Thursday.
Northrup, a home-schooled sophomore who competes for Linn-Mar High School, said his religious beliefs wouldn't allow him to wrestle Cassy Herkelman, a pony-tailed freshman from Cedar Falls who is one of the first two girls to qualify for the tournament in its 85-year history.
Northrup issued a statement through his school expressing his "tremendous" respect for what Herkelman and Ottumwa sophomore Megan Black achieved this season, but he said didn't feel he had a choice.
"Wrestling is a combat sport and it can get violent at times," Northrup said in a statement released by his high school. "As a matter of conscience and my faith I do not believe that it is appropriate for a boy to engage a girl in this manner. It is unfortunate that I have been placed in a situation not seen in most other high school sports in Iowa."
His father, Jamie Northrup, told The Associated Press later Thursday that his son struggled with the decision.
"He's poured his heart and soul into wrestling and into being the best in the state," Jamie Northrup said. "He's never won a state championship, so he's certainly looking forward to that day. So it's agonizing, from all the work and the effort and the hope.
"But it's easy in that, he, a long time ago, drew a line and said 'I don't believe it's right for a boy to wrestle a girl.'"
There were several thousand fans at Wells Fargo Arena on Thursday, but many were watching other matches when the referee raised Herkelman's hand to signal her win. There was a smattering of cheers and boos from the crowd before Herkelman was whisked into the bowels of the arena.
Northrup's decision to default put Herkelman in the quarterfinals in the 112-pound weight class, and it put her name in the record book as the first girl to win an Iowa state tournament match. But it deprived her of the chance to show the skills that earned her a 20-13 pre-tournament record.
Tournament organizers declined to make Herkelman available for questions. But her father, Bill Herkelman, told the AP via text message that he understands and respects Northrup's decision.
"It's nice to get the first win and have her be on the way to the medal round," Bill Herkelman wrote. "I sincerely respect the decision of the Northrup family especially since it was made on the biggest stage in wrestling. I have heard nothing but good things about the Northrup family and hope Joel does very well the remainder of the tourney."
Because he defaulted and didn't forfeit, Northrup was allowed to compete in the consolation rounds, and he won his first match later Thursday by major decision.
He was spared any chance of meeting up with Black - who also wrestles at 112 pounds and was 25-13 entering the tournament - when she was eliminated after being pinned in both of her matches.
Northrup and Herkelman would be matched up again if both were to make the finals in the consolation bracket. If that happens, Northrup would likely make the same decision, his father said.
Jamie Northrup is a minister in the Believers in Grace Fellowship, an independent Pentecostal church in Marion that believes young men and women shouldn't touch in a "familiar way," said Bill Randles, the church's pastor.
"We believe in the elevation and respect of woman and we don't think that wrestling a woman is the right thing to do. Body slamming and takedowns, that full contact sport is not how to do that."
Randles said Joel has been involved in wrestling for many years, and he and his family have discussed before the possibility of girls getting involved in the sport.
"It's totally his choice. He's a young man now and he's worked hard to get where he's gotten. It's up to him, and it was his conviction" not to wrestle Herkelman.
Black said Northrup refused to wrestle her three years ago, and that she respects him for adhering to his beliefs.
"If it's his religion and he's strong in his religion, then I just respect that," Black said. "Obviously, everyone can be pointing fingers at him. He, at least, is true to his beliefs and you have to respect that. It takes a lot for a 15- or 16-year-old boy to do."
Marth Stetzel, a mother from Perry who had two sons in the tournament, said she had no problem with Northrup's decision.
"We're really raising kids that are going to be bigger than wrestling, and if it's something that he believes strongly in - which is not necessarily what I would do - you've got to respect a kid like that," Stetzel said.
Wrestling is extremely popular in Iowa, and Black and Herkelman are the first girls to qualify for the state tournament since it was first sanctioned by the Iowa High School Athletic Association in 1926.
According to the National Federation of State High School Associations, more than 6,000 girls competed in wrestling in 2009-10 - compared with nearly 275,000 boys. Though most states require girls to wrestle boys, California, Hawaii, Texas, Washington and Tennessee sponsor girls-only high school wrestling tournaments.
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As you can see from the story, the boy's record compared with both girls' records didn't indicate he had to worry about getting his butt beat.
Also, he was consistent with his beliefs. He had refused to wrestle the other girl three years ago.
None of the other families involved criticized him for what he believed or did. In fact, they all spoke well of him, even the parents of the girls.
His father and pastor explained their viewpoints about boy and girl wrestling, and respect for women. I think it was clear enough.
Also, he was consistent with his beliefs. He had refused to wrestle the other girl three years ago.
None of the other families involved criticized him for what he believed or did. In fact, they all spoke well of him, even the parents of the girls.
His father and pastor explained their viewpoints about boy and girl wrestling, and respect for women. I think it was clear enough.
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I never said that. I specifically posted about boys and girls wrestling together.
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Judo is a popular asian sport. To my knowledge it is coed in many dojos, even the one I was in.
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Since the majority of the competing wrestlers were guys, then the odds were the girls were more likely to have to compete with guys then the guys would be wrestling with the girls. It's simple mathematical probability.
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It's not a proper way for boys to treat girls.
I don't know what else you want me to say.
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Why is it up to the guy to decide this? She wanted to wrestle the guy. Shouldn't she have a say in how she wanted to be treated?It's not a proper way for boys to treat girls.
I don't know what else you want me to say.
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It's not a proper way for boys to treat girls.
I don't know what else you want me to say.
The girls who signed up to compete in wrestling know how it goes in wrestling so how is it not the proper way to treat girls? They want to be treated that way in the game of wrestling.
Besides, wrestling isnt personal so I dont know how it came to being a matter of how one is "treated"?
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The girl won that round of the competition, and she said she had no problem with the boy's decision, so how is it the concern of anyone else? She had no complaints about how she was treated.
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Just because the girls don't mind wrestling with boys doesn't mean it is right for the boys to wrestle with girls.
I don't know where the idea comes from where just because something is accepted that means it's right. There are many behaviors and events in life that are acceptable or even popular for the general public but that doesn't make them right.
Some people recognize that, and some don't. Some stand up for their beliefs, and some don't. That's all.
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What makes you have the say for it to be wrong?
That is what makes America special, everyone's different.
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My personal opinion: No one has to compete with anyone they don't want to. The guy doesn't want to compete with a girl. So be it. He loses.
Honestly, I prefer girl-girl competition, but for 1 reason only. Equal footing. Guys simply are better at certain things than girls. However, I understand the reason for co-ed sports. There simply aren't that many girls to form a league/team. So what is the girl who DOES want to play supposed to do? Sit around? If she wants to play that badly, so be it. She will have to toughen out the forfeits from boys, any taunting, and any judgments. Sad story really.
I play ultimate frisbee, and most girls prefer to have our own league, but we simply do not have enough women, so we play co-ed. Usually 2 women and 5 guys per team. The guys throw the disc to us once in a blue moon. However, women only do practice sometimes and we have a blast because we throw it to anyone else and we all are somewhat on equal level.
Every year, there are more and more women playing ultimate. We hope to form a women's league in the future.
So when I see things like this, I just think it helps form a jumping point to get more women to play male dominated sports, enough to form their own teams.
Honestly, I prefer girl-girl competition, but for 1 reason only. Equal footing. Guys simply are better at certain things than girls. However, I understand the reason for co-ed sports. There simply aren't that many girls to form a league/team. So what is the girl who DOES want to play supposed to do? Sit around? If she wants to play that badly, so be it. She will have to toughen out the forfeits from boys, any taunting, and any judgments. Sad story really.
I play ultimate frisbee, and most girls prefer to have our own league, but we simply do not have enough women, so we play co-ed. Usually 2 women and 5 guys per team. The guys throw the disc to us once in a blue moon. However, women only do practice sometimes and we have a blast because we throw it to anyone else and we all are somewhat on equal level.
Every year, there are more and more women playing ultimate. We hope to form a women's league in the future.
So when I see things like this, I just think it helps form a jumping point to get more women to play male dominated sports, enough to form their own teams.
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By the way, I don't get this argument against boy-girl contact sports. I agree with Banjo about the gay thing, but let's look at it from another way. According to "contact is bad" philosophy, the only acceptable co-ed sports would be: bowling, golf, archery, tennis, weightlifting, and curling.
Baseball and softball can have the runner bump into the catcher at home base. What if one of them is a boy and one is a girl? Ohnoes.
Racquetball, soccer, hockey, basketball, etc all involve a LOT of bumping or nudging each other. Ohnoes.
Or is there a percentage of contact time that is acceptable? 10% contact time or less per game? Will the games have to hire a contact referee?
Actually now I think about it, is ballet, dancing, and cheerleading also bad? I mean, the guys touch and pick up the girls a lot in those activities.
It's fine if you think "hitting a girl or hurting a girl" is wrong, but honestly, I think that "contact sports being bad" is bull.
Baseball and softball can have the runner bump into the catcher at home base. What if one of them is a boy and one is a girl? Ohnoes.
Racquetball, soccer, hockey, basketball, etc all involve a LOT of bumping or nudging each other. Ohnoes.
Or is there a percentage of contact time that is acceptable? 10% contact time or less per game? Will the games have to hire a contact referee?
Actually now I think about it, is ballet, dancing, and cheerleading also bad? I mean, the guys touch and pick up the girls a lot in those activities.
It's fine if you think "hitting a girl or hurting a girl" is wrong, but honestly, I think that "contact sports being bad" is bull.
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That's also why we're allowed our own opinions, and freedom to express those opinions.