"Importance of Morphemic Awareness to Reading Achievement..."

shel90 said:
Nobody has ever answered my question..

Shel- no one has taken the time to read these findings and respond to them. At most, two people have clicked on the link and skimmed it. All of the other comments are just focused on being Anti-SEE, and how it's not useful or necessary. It seems some people are more interested in being contentious, rather than seeing the information for what it is. This paper demonstrates that SEE can be a useful tool in literacy. I will add that it also demonstrates the usefulness of SEE assisting a child in acquiring English.

Would any hearing person accept changing spoken English to follow ASL grammar and use it on hearing children in the educational setting?
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Here is the thing. American Sign Language doesn't "own" the way hands move through air. There are countless other Signed Languages, as well as Manually Coded English in this case.
No one has "changed" ASL- although it has expanded over the years. The purpose is not to take ASL and use English grammar. The purpose was to make the English language visible for those that could not access it auditory. This was done on direct response to the fact that majority of deaf students weren't obtaining a real mastery of the English language.
 
sallylou said:
Wirelessly posted (droid)

Shel, can you comment on whole language and how you use it in your classroom? You are way more qualified than I am on this issue. I don't think that parents are well informed about this. I only know about my experiences with my own kids.
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I try to meet each of my students' learning styles. Sometimes I use SEE if the child has a strong foundation in ASL, lots of printed words posted for the younger ones, and a lot of hands on activities with words instead of just direct teaching because most of the time that doesnt work.

For the older ones, I write EVERYTHING down...from the agenda of the class to the written instructions and tell them to read it and retell me using in ASL what it means. If they get the concept wrong, then I guide them. Then we write to each other using a journal. If they want to tell me something in ASL, I tell them ."No ASL"..time to use English. I wouldnt recommend that approach for those who do not have a strong L1 language. For those, I would focus on making their L1 language (ASL) strong first so they can achieve critical thinking skills.

Right now, I am using an approach called "Let's Talk about It" with those who have language delays ...I show them a HUGE picture of anything. They tell me what they are thinking and I write down EXACTLY when they tell me even if the grammar is wrong. Then, we discuss and try to expand their ideas (it is all about building up the language they have lost duirng their formative years) and then get them to read to acquire the vocabulary in their 2nd language. The reason for that it is because the vocabulary words are THEIR ideas and more meaningful to them.

I do not teach in one way and expect my students to meet my teaching style. I teach to meet their learning styles using both ASL and English.

However, this year...two of my students go to an oral-only language arts class because they are more of auditory learners so I am not sure what approach they are using there. Phonics or whole language using spoken English...dunno. I should ask.

Whatever research is appropriate for hearing kids, I throw out because I do not deal with typical hearing kids. I deal with teaching using two language and sometimes I deal with trying to teach kids who have language delays or deficits to master two languages. Very unique.
 
We don't need a novice user of SEE telling us how to learn or teach English. A whole bunch of us are already fluent in SEE and we are quick to point out that it's not effective.
 
CSign said:
Here is the thing. American Sign Language doesn't "own" the way hands move through air. There are countless other Signed Languages, as well as Manually Coded English in this case.
No one has "changed" ASL- although it has expanded over the years. The purpose is not to take ASL and use English grammar. The purpose was to make the English language visible for those that could not access it auditory. This was done on direct response to the fact that majority of deaf students weren't obtaining a real mastery of the English language.
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I have read the link......

There are much better ways to teach the English language visually. Some already have posted ways.

Such as labeling items around you with words on it. Visual learning the English is more of pictures and labels.
 
Funny, one of my students encountered running out of space when writing her sentences and didnt know what to do. I told her to split up the word using a hypen and then it hit me....how do I teach them to do that doing the right way when I really was lousy at syllabels and hyphening the words myself. I plan on going to the reading specialist for help on that one. I dont want to do it all wrong but wow...just the little things can really make me pull my hair out sometimes. LOL
 
CSign said:
Here is the thing. American Sign Language doesn't "own" the way hands move through air. There are countless other Signed Languages, as well as Manually Coded English in this case.
No one has "changed" ASL- although it has expanded over the years. The purpose is not to take ASL and use English grammar. The purpose was to make the English language visible for those that could not access it auditory. This was done on direct response to the fact that majority of deaf students weren't obtaining a real mastery of the English language.
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And the hearing students were? Oh come on.
 
Shel, it feels like I can relate to a lot of what you are saying. When I was in my deaf preschool, there were a lot of deaf kids. They more or less divided the class up into 3's. 1/3 of us would sit at the little kiddie tables and our teacher would show us a picture, such as an apple. And then, teach us the sign for it. Then later, we'd switch tables, and learn the English word of apple. Then later, we'd switch again and learn to vocalize apple. So I was immersed in all 3 at the same time. I see how you are showing them pictures and telling them to write it down (even though at 2 I wasn't writing it down yet! :) )
 
CSign said:
Here is the thing. American Sign Language doesn't "own" the way hands move through air. There are countless other Signed Languages, as well as Manually Coded English in this case.
No one has "changed" ASL- although it has expanded over the years. The purpose is not to take ASL and use English grammar. The purpose was to make the English language visible for those that could not access it auditory. This was done on direct response to the fact that majority of deaf students weren't obtaining a real mastery of the English language.
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You are right..nobody has changed ASL.

However, what has changed was that deaf children only got a made-up language during their formative years which is what SEE wasnt intented for instead of ASL which is a natural language just like spoken English is.
 
AlleyCat said:
Shel, it feels like I can relate to a lot of what you are saying. When I was in my deaf preschool, there were a lot of deaf kids. They more or less divided the class up into 3's. 1/3 of us would sit at the little kiddie tables and our teacher would show us a picture, such as an apple. And then, teach us the sign for it. Then later, we'd switch tables, and learn the English word of apple. Then later, we'd switch again and learn to vocalize apple. So I was immersed in all 3 at the same time. I see how you are showing them pictures and telling them to write it down (even though at 2 I wasn't writing it down yet! :) )
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The students in my language arts class are 6 years old, not 2.

My 8 year old 3rd graders go to other classes. My "deaf" ones go to a class that is purely bilingual and my "hearing" ones go to the oral-only class.

We DO try to meet our students needs whether they are auditory or visual learners and place them accordingly.

However, they have access to both....the Deaf and hearing worlds/ASL and English.

That is why I love the BiBi approach.
 
shel90 said:
The students in my language arts class are 6 years old, not 2.

My 8 year old 3rd graders go to other classes. My "deaf" ones go to a class that is purely bilingual and my "hearing" ones go to the oral-only class.

We DO try to meet our students needs whether they are auditory or visual learners and place them accordingly.

However, they have access to both....the Deaf and hearing worlds/ASL and English.

That is why I love the BiBi approach.
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Right -- I knew they were older than I was at that time -- I was only saying I understand how you are using the pictures theory.
 
AlleyCat said:
Right -- I knew they were older than I was at that time -- I was only saying I understand how you are using the pictures theory.
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Ohhhh..ok...couldnt remember if I had stated what age group I work with. For language arts I work with kids my son's age so it makes me question my son's teacher on what they are doing. I know that they are fearful of me because I am a teacher just like I am fearful if any of my students' parents are teachers! LMAO.

Then for math, social studies and science, I have my 8 year olds.

The program where I work at really do look at students' needs first.
 
Standardized ASL Signs:


Offer consistency for everyone through the use of an established, standardized, actual language. Using standardized signs allows children, family members, caregivers, and other professionals to communicate clearly with each other using the exact same set of signs. This consistency helps to easily facilitate transitions between communicators and from one setting to another.




Are easy to learn for both children and adults. Most typically-developing children will learn and use somewhere between 20 and 50 signs (some will use as many as 300 or more!) before speech becomes their predominant form of communication. The good news for busy parents is that it's quite easy to learn these 20 to 50 essential signs, even without prior experience using ASL.




Are easy for babies to understand and remember, as many ASL signs are iconic; that is, they are manual imitations of the actions or objects they represent. For example, the ASL sign for "MILK" is demonstrated by opening and closing your fist as though you were milking a cow. Extremely easy for a baby or parent to learn and remember!




Are widely known and easily accessible. American Sign Language is the third most-commonly-used language throughout the United States and Canada, and the strongly guiding presence of the Deaf community in North America provides excellent opportunities to learn and utilize ASL.
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Neat quote from the link in my above post.
 
DeafCaroline said:
Read the comments posted to this video: SEE vs ASL - YouTube

this video as well: ASL vs SEE: The Bank!*|*ewitty*|*DeafVIDEO.TV

Whenever I read the deaf perspective about SEE - it's usually not positive. And deaf people say that when they learn SEE first, it becomes very difficult to switch to ASL afterwards and they wish they hadn't learned SEE in the first place.

CSign - I grew up profoundly deaf, and I hear only vowels, not consonants with my hearing aids and what helped me learn to read and write English well was reading books. One should study English in order to learn English.
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I'm one of those deaf people when it comes to SEE.
As for reading, I'm a lot like you when it come to hearing the English language. I couldn't hear the consonants either. I used to be a very compluivse bookworm though I hardly ever read much now.

Phonics have never been my forte and I only have a very basic understanding of phonics though I do have cued speech to thank for that basic understanding. However, I would never recommend doing it loml's way.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
Yeah, but we're not talking a language approach; but a literacy tool.
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I know you are but some people do use it as a sole language approach and I just cringe just thinking about it....not because I love ASL but because of the thought of deaf children not getting the right language model during their formative years of language development. All I can just CROSS my fingers that they come out with no language deficits. It is like watching a car speed down into a busy highway with no sign of slowing down and me closing my eyes being afraid to see what will happen and hoping that nothing bad happens.
 
CSign - My god..... what in god's name are you doing???? you are shooting us down... correcting us... lecturing to us... you have repeatedly told us that you are not fluent nor expert in ANY sign languages. We have years years years of experience in ANY sign languages and we know what works best for deaf people and what doesn't.

Why are you still bickering with us????? wow.... Are you here to learn from us or to lecture us????
 
shel90 said:
You are right..nobody has changed ASL.

However, what has changed was that deaf children only got a made-up language during their formative years which is what SEE wasnt intented for instead of ASL which is a natural language just like spoken English is.
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The children who grew up with SEE did not grow up with an "invented language". They grew up with English, which can also be a persons natural language.
 
CSign said:
The children who grew up with SEE did not grow up with an "invented language". They grew up with English, which can also be a persons natural language.
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did they grow up with English in its natural form? The spoken form?
 
Why are people assuming we haven't read the article? I may be deaf, but I can read. Thanks to ASL.
 
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