Images Haunt Soldier Refusing to Serve in Iraq

[Reba]

I can state who do but I don't want to have you to 'complain', 'concern' or whatever it is about this post.

Ah Magatsu, you're not afraid of lil' ole me are you?

 

[Vance]

Ah Magatsu, you're not afraid of lil' ole me are you?

Maybe! :P Seriously, not really but I think it is time for us (well for me) to go easy on you especially our Bush debate. Don't you think?

 

[Dennis S.]

Once you're in the .mil, it's a tad hard to get out.

Even under the best of circumstances, this guy wouldn't just be "let go." If someone loses the will to fight/fire/defend the country, that person would probably end up being court martialed and dishonorably discharged / other than honorably discharged. This can have ramifications on getting a good job down the road as negative discharges are worse than negative job references.

The only balancing factor I can see in this position is that the military DOES NOT want to keep these kind of people in. They need fightin' people, not lovin' people, and babysitting the wrong kind of person will lead to more friendly casualties. It's in the military's best interest to hear these kind of objections, take the time investigating if it's something that can be fixed, then deal with it appropriately. It just seems that this guy didn't do it right and now he's going to pay the consequences. He'll get out of the military, all right -- just not clean and spotless like someone who fufilled their terms to the letter.

I sympathize with that guy -- I'm glad I'm not in the military, but I also know that I CAN fight and will kill for my country. If he can't do that anymore, GET HIM OUT of there ASAP. I wouldn't want someone like that watching my back and therefore getting me killed.

 

[ITPjohn]

Support war or troops?

And I hope the soliders coming back will speak out against the war because it is wrong. Then you people will know how those soliders felt if you really supporting those soliders or the war?

Cheri

My family has 50 years on active duty. I spent 5 years in the Navy many years ago. I think that Bush (the son) is an idiot and don't support the war itself. I DO support the troops who are being asked to put their lives on the line and the families who are waiting for their safe return. There IS a difference.

US troops left Nam over 40 years ago and people are still talking about it. I hope that 40 years from now that the Iraq war and George W Bush are both bad memories.

 

[tekkmortal]

Thats scary to see those ugly images in Iraq. Hopefully this will be cleared up before someone else will get hurt.

 

[Liza]

I wonder if people will still retain that national "pride" when the war literally comes to the home fronts, ravaging the streets children once played hopscotch on. That sort of thing.

I know how I would feel...

If only somebody or a group would take on the street hoodlums that make our american streets dangerous nowadays....

That would be a worthy cause to me...

 

[Deaf258]

Actually.. You'd be surprised how many of these soldiers support the war..

 

[Cjanik]

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who says he is killing innocent civilians?

if he can prove that he is killing innocent civilians then he can get out of the war and the commander-in-cheif will be in trouble.

but thats not happening, why not? simply because he isnt killing civilians.

untill you go out in the war like i did, you'll realize that 90% of the media nowdays is a bunch of bullshit.

everything i saw out there was just combat against soldiers who are trying to kill us. yes, the soldier's probably did leave the person there with injury, but when you are in combat and injury is present and you are VERY limited in supply, would you kill your soldier to use the supply's on a civilian who could have foughted agasint you? you dont know if he did or didnt? i wouldnt.

i think the soldier made up some SOB story to get out of the military

 

[Beowulf]

who says he is killing innocent civilians?

if he can prove that he is killing innocent civilians then he can get out of the war and the commander-in-cheif will be in trouble.

but thats not happening, why not? simply because he isnt killing civilians.

untill you go out in the war like i did, you'll realize that 90% of the media nowdays is a bunch of bullshit.

everything i saw out there was just combat against soldiers who are trying to kill us. yes, the soldier's probably did leave the person there with injury, but when you are in combat and injury is present and you are VERY limited in supply, would you kill your soldier to use the supply's on a civilian who could have foughted agasint you? you dont know if he did or didnt? i wouldnt.

i think the soldier made up some SOB story to get out of the military

Total, utter nonsense.
Have you heard of the INTERNET???
It is a FACT that there is deliberate killing of civilians on a massive scale.
I do not believe you have been there, sir, unless you worked in the Pentagon's Public Relations Department, lol.

 

[Cheri]

Cjanik;

Were you ever down in Iraq? You don't have no idea what went on down there. Before judging this solider for his sob stories maybe you should open your eyes and listen. Yes, there were killing innocent civilians down in Iraq it You can believe whatever you want, You'll be surprise one day when those soldiers come home and tell their stories, When they do would that make them a liar too?

Here's more pictures of people, Do you see them supporting the war?

You think this doesn't mean killing those civilians too?

 

[Reba]

Total, utter nonsense.
Have you heard of the INTERNET???

Of course, EVERYTHING on the internet is 100% true, right?

 

[Reba]

Cjanik;

Were you ever down in Iraq? You don't have no idea what went on down there.

Were you ever down in Iraq? You don't have no idea what went on down there either.

Here's more pictures of people, Do you see them supporting the war?

What does that prove? Nothing. People who support the war can get hundreds of pictures from the internet, too.

 

[Cheri]

Were you ever down in Iraq? You don't have no idea what went on down there either.

Reba, Did I ever said I was down there? Don't twist my words around I was talking to someone else. Of course I was not in Iraq that doesn't mean I don't know information. This solider that I posted in this thread, said he did not want to go back there, because of some things he did not like, So I believe him because he was in Iraq, saw and experience what happened.

What does that prove? Nothing. People who support the war can get hundreds of pictures from the internet, too.

Yes, It does prove that people out there do not support the war, If you see them supporting the war why don't you go ahead post photos? What's stopping you?

 

[Beowulf]

Of course, EVERYTHING on the internet is 100% true, right?

That is not the point and you KNOW it.
The mainstream media NEVER makes mention of the mass slaughter of innocent civilians. The ONLY way to get to the truth is through alternative sources, where you can SEE videos and pictures of the slaughter. When a person of average intelligence gathers information from as many sources as possible, he/she has a MUCH better understanding of what is going on than the idiot who whines, "Who are you going to believe, the government or your lying eyes?"

 

[Cheri]

That is not the point and you KNOW it.
The mainstream media NEVER makes mention of the mass slaughter of innocent civilians. The ONLY way to get to the truth is through alternative sources, where you can SEE videos and pictures of the slaughter. When a person of average intelligence gathers information from as many sources as possible, he/she has a MUCH better understanding of what is going on than the idiot who whines, "Who are you going to believe, the government or your lying eyes?"

Just let her go, She is one of the Bushlovers who worship the ground Bush walks on. If she cares about the troops she would listen to them.

 

[Cjanik]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-12-26-poll_x.htm

 

[Y]

Thanks Cajnik for that link.. To open and show it here:

Poll shows troops in support of war

Despite a year of ferocious combat, mounting casualties and frequent deployments, support for the war in Iraq remains very high among the active-duty military, according to a Military Times Poll.

Sixty-three percent of respondents approve of the way President Bush is handling the war, and 60% remain convinced it is a war worth fighting. Support for the war is even greater among those who have served longest in the combat zone: Two-thirds of combat vets say the war is worth fighting.

But the men and women in uniform are under no illusions about how long they will be fighting in Iraq; nearly half say they expect to be there more than five years.

In addition, 87%% say they're satisfied with their jobs and, if given the choice today, only 25% say they'd leave the service.

Compared with last year, the percentages for support for the war and job satisfaction remain essentially unchanged.

A year ago, 77% said they thought the military was stretched too thin to be effective. This year, that number shrank to 66%.

The findings are part of the annual Military Times Poll, which this year included 1,423 active-duty subscribers to Air Force Times, Army Times, Navy Times and Marine Corps Times.

 

[Beowulf]

USA Today????
That rag is one of the biggest shills for the Bush junta, lol!


One thing you must understand is that it MAY be true that a high percentage of our footsoldiers express support for being in Iraq, but so what?
According to "military polls" during the Vietnam years, the support was just as high, and look what happened--we found out those polls were just more lies, business as usual. Either that, or the soldiers are fed a contant diet of Government-approved propaganda and naturally reflect that. Jeez.
Want to hear what our military leaders think of our involvement in the Iraq war?
http://cleveland.indymedia.org/news/2004/10/12862.php

And what our military leaders worry will be the outcome of the futile war (they admit that the war most likely CANNOT BE WON)--
http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/011105C.shtml

There are MANY more, FAR more than the media is permitted to reveal.
Nice try, but no dice.

 

[Cheri]

Beowulf is correct, Just because right now the polls showed the support of Iraq war that doesn't mean it really actually true, You can see the support you mention was admit by Military Times Poll, which this year included 1,423 active-duty subscribers to Air Force Times, Army Times, Navy Times and Marine Corps Times. They did the same thing about Vietnam which it was a love and hate war by people in the United States. When the Vietnam soldiers came home, They were being spit on or called a baby killer or anything like that. Do you remember some of you attacked John Kerry a Vietnam Veteran, for his mistake in Vietnam? I think that was probably the reason why he didn't win the election because there some hate about the war in Vietnam. Years to come there is going to be people talking about the mistake the war was in Iraq too.

 

[Reba]

Just let her go, She is one of the Bushlovers who worship the ground Bush walks on. If she cares about the troops she would listen to them.

Sigh...you know so little about me.

I do NOT worship Bush. He has many faults, and I disagree with many of his decisions and actions.

I care deeply about the troops. I do listen to both sides. Do you?