Images Haunt Soldier Refusing to Serve in Iraq

[Reba]

That is a different story here, He didn't break no law He just refused to go back to Iraq, He had a reason why, How can we blame him? Would you like it if someone force you to do something you wouldn't want to do?

Actually, he did break the law. Refusing orders to report is against the UCMJ.

The usual procedure is, the military will go to the local police to issue a warrant for the deserter's arrest. He will then be taken into custody by the police, and then turned over to military authorities.

Desertion is a very serious offense in the military, even more so during war time.

"Concientious objector" status is a category used for draftees, not volunteers. If a person has moral reasons for not taking up arms in the military, then they don't volunteer for armed service. If they do volunteer, it means they are willing to fight.

 

[Reba]

Saw these pics.
Do we really SUPPORT these troops???
The sequential pics show three GI's executing a boy who has his hands tied behind his back.
Is THIS who we are?
The helmets are so Nazi, do we have to become murderous animals???

Do you have the text for these photos? I don't see any information describing the place, events or time frame. I can't tell what happened from just these three pictures.

 

[Reba]

If your party gives you a gun and order you to point it to your lovely but incompetent pResident Bush's head and fire twice. Will you do it?
You will not, right? because he is 'beloved' to you or it is wrong for you to do that right? That's similar situation as that soldier is in.

A political party is not the same as a military command. A political party cannot issue orders to shoot someone, and you know that. It is not a similar situation at all. It is lawful to order a soldier to combat; it is NOT lawful for a civilian political party to order an assassination.

 

[Beowulf]

No matter what? Most of these soldiers went to Iraq believing the government lies, and then they find out the truth. They are instructed by their commanders to shoot unarmed civilians walking to them with their hands up, because they could be "suicide bombers." This is a VERY SICK and evil war, and I applaud the soldiers for refusing to take part in murder, because that is what it really is.
Bush deserves to be shot by a firing squad, and I hope he does. I hope they start with his toes and work their way up.

 

[Reba]

...one thing I do understand is that soldier do have the right to refuse whatever order will be...

You understand wrong. Soldiers do NOT have the right to refuse lawful orders by their superiors. If soldiers could refuse any orders, then there would be no "orders", only "suggestions".

Many of soldiers don't know what really going on when they signed up. I don't see any way for you to blame them for sign up and changed their mind about it.

They know what they are signing. They also take an oath to obey orders. It is also reinforced during their basic training.

...if you signed up at police and in later time, you realize that you don't feel right or whatever.. you can just drop and walk out. Is it illegal? Think about it.

Police and military contracts are not the same.

 

[Cheri]

Reba, Just because he doesn't want to go, so he broke the law because, he refused to return. That is very stupid if you ask me, because we fighting a war that has nothing to do with us to begin with. Those soliders are not fighting for our country, They fighting to free those people and their country. So, What does this have to do with United States? I think they should have the right to say "NO" If it has nothing to do with United States period.

 

[Reba]

Reba, Just because he doesn't want to go, so he broke the law because, he refused to return. That is very stupid if you ask me, because we fighting a war that has nothing to do with us to begin with. Those soliders are not fighting for our country, They fighting to free those people and their country. So, What does this have to do with United States? I think they should have the right to say "NO" If it has nothing to do with United States period.

Soldiers can't pick and choose their wars. They take an oath to obey. If they feel that they can't obey in good conscience, then they must accept the consequences. That is the law, and the soldiers know it.

 

[Reba]

...Bush deserves to be shot by a firing squad, and I hope he does. I hope they start with his toes and work their way up.

Remember, no threats at AD.

 

[Beowulf]

Better look up that word.
That was not a threat.

 

[Cheri]

There are soliders who hate some war and love some war. That is why I opposed this war and still support the soliders and their family, The war is "American revenge" and very dumb move upon on BushCo, not our soldiers. And I hope the soliders coming back will speak out against the war because it is wrong. Then you people will know how those soliders felt if you really supporting those soliders or the war?

 

[Beowulf]

The best way we can support our soldiers is by bringing them home.
Then we could focus on impeaching Bush for high treason, which is punishable by death.

 

[Reba]

There are soliders who hate some war and love some war. ..

I don't know any American soldiers that "love" war.

 

[Cheri]

I don't know any American soldiers that "love" war.

Have you seen them coming home all happy because they won the war? I've seen it and that means they are proud of themsevles. Maybe you should look it up.

 

[Reba]

Have you seen them coming home all happy because they won the war? I've seen it and that means they are proud of themsevles. Maybe you should look it up.

They are happy to be home, and they are proud of their service. That doesn't mean they "love" war.

 

[Cheri]

They are happy to be home, and they are proud of their service. That doesn't mean they "love" war.

Some times you have way to twist words around, Matter of facts, If soliders fight for their country they are proud of it in other words they love what they do to make themselves as heros. so that is the same thing as loving war and doing their duty as making them proud of themselves, if it involved United States. Get my drift?

 

[Vance]

A political party is not the same as a military command. A political party cannot issue orders to shoot someone, and you know that. It is not a similar situation at all. It is lawful to order a soldier to combat; it is NOT lawful for a civilian political party to order an assassination.

I use that as example. Nothing more. Don't take it any wrong than you have to. Please. I am sure you know what I mean.

I know that ravensteve have problem with grasping the conception about many things... I have to use that example to make him understand bit better.

 

[Vance]

They know what they are signing. They also take an oath to obey orders. It is also reinforced during their basic training.

Nope, you are wrong. There are plenty interviews conducted by european reporters showed that they (americans-soldiers) don't know what they are signed for.

Police and military contracts are not the same.

The conception is same. Shooting/abuse the innocent or torture any people is MORALLY WRONG no matter what order will be. Period.

 

[Vance]

I don't know any American soldiers that "love" war.

I can state who do but I don't want to have you to 'complain', 'concern' or whatever it is about this post.

 

[Vance]

There are soliders who hate some war and love some war. That is why I opposed this war and still support the soliders and their family, The war is "American revenge" and very dumb move upon on BushCo, not our soldiers. And I hope the soliders coming back will speak out against the war because it is wrong. Then you people will know how those soliders felt if you really supporting those soliders or the war?

Yep. Good point.

Again, there are many interivews that conducted by european reporters that many soldiers think the war is stupid and waste of time. Heck, even more than half of USA included some republicans agreed with your comment. I created a topic about that a while ago in News forum.

 

[Reba]

Nope, you are wrong. There are plenty interviews conducted by european reporters showed that they (americans-soldiers) don't know what they are signed for.

I don't see these "European" reports, so I really can't respond to what that supposedly said. If you can provide the links I will be glad to read them.

Are you stating that American soldiers don't know that they will be required to go to war and fight if so ordered? I really don't believe they are that stupid. Their obligations are clearly printed in black and white. They take an oath to their service. They are trained in basic/boot camp. They attend GMTs and advanced training. How could they not know what their military obligations are? I served on active duty and in the reserves, and it was quite clear what my obligations were. No ifs, ands, or buts.