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Foxrac said:
Yup, in many years ago but just different teacher and I just forgot about it. :(

I googled up about saltwater is more denser than freshwater so I found an answer and saltwater has more mass than freshwater, is that right?
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The reason saltwater is more denser than freshwater is because there is SALT in saltwater.

Read Rampratt's post above me. It explains everything.
 
Barbaro said:
The reason saltwater is more denser than freshwater is because there is SALT in saltwater.

Read Rampratt's post above me. It explains everything.
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then why does source that I posted is represent about sea level rise is existing and Al Gore did say that too since it is probably his strong opinion.
 
Foxrac said:
then why does source that I posted is represent about sea level rise is existing and Al Gore did say that too since it is probably his strong opinion.
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Al Gore is entitled to his opinion, because he is not probably a scientist. Which link are you referring? You posted four of them.
 
Rampratt said:
I guess my wife just gave the simple answer to the ice and water in/on oceans raising! She said have them do simple experiment, take a glass of water full to the top with or with out salt and put in freezer. If you put salt in it you will have to lower the temperature in order to solidify it. you will note that when frozen it will push out the top. Density of ice is less than density of water. Those of us old enough to remember when milk was delivered in bottles with cardboard? tops/stoppers and in winter stopper would be pushed out of the bottle when it froze. As wife said, if Arctic ice is melting then oceans will be shrinking due to physics of density. I do not debate with her on stuff like this as she has a PHD in physics.
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Certainly, when water freezes it expands. No mystery there. The key thing here is that the amount of H20 is still conserved. It doesn't change. Nothing is added or subtracted from when we see a gain or loss of sea ice on Arctic Ocean.
 
Barbaro said:
The reason saltwater is more denser than freshwater is because there is SALT in saltwater.

Read Rampratt's post above me. It explains everything.
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Well, there is always salt in freshwater, just not that much compared to saltwater or the ocean. Take an enclosed basin like the Dead Sea in Israel. Jordan River is the only source of incoming freshwater into an enclosed basin with no outlets. It just collects the incoming water and accumulates the salt from the bottom up since accumulated dissolved salt is denser the water gets saltier the deeper you go.
 
Foxrac said:
In bold, Please take this word out.

Links?

I don't believe about what you are talking until you prove the source to support your claim.
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Every winter parts of the Great Lakes freeze over and then melts away completely as the season warms up. How come the Great Lakes water level doesn't rise when ice melts? Again, look to the ice cubes in a cup of water analogy.
 
kokonut said:
Well, there is always salt in freshwater, just not that much compared to saltwater or the ocean. Take an enclosed basin like the Dead Sea in Israel. Jordan River is the only source of incoming freshwater into an enclosed basin with no outlets. It just collects the incoming water and accumulates the salt from the bottom up since accumulated dissolved salt is denser the water gets saltier the deeper you go.
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Oh, yes, there is always salt in freshwater. that's why I said saltwater is more denser than freshwater. Dead Sea has more salt than ocean. Very unique.
 
Barbaro said:
Oh, yes, there is always salt in freshwater. that's why I said saltwater is more denser than freshwater. Dead Sea has more salt than ocean. Very unique.
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The Dead Sea...anybody can float in it on their backs and not sink at all since your own body is much less dense than the Dead Sea's salty water, you float on top of it. Pretty cool. Just don't splash any of that really salty water in your eyes.
 
kokonut said:
Every winter parts of the Great Lakes freeze over and then melts away completely as the season warms up. How come the Great Lakes water level doesn't rise when ice melts? Again, look to the ice cubes in a cup of water analogy.
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Difference about Great Lakes aren't ocean but just an huge lakes since the ice in Arctic and Antarctica are just along with ocean so sea level rises when ice is melting in the ocean.

Remember about ice in Arctic is shrinking for several years, probably until 2007 before rebound so sea level rises when very larger of ice is melting.

I can imagine about what happens to the ocean when entire of ices are gone but won't happen in many years or whatever is interfere with environment.
 
I discussed with my friend about sea ice and he asked me about does ice melts in cup so I did notice about water level is increase after all ice cubes melt in the cup. He said Icebergs are many feet tall and if all of them melt as don't refreeze so ocean water level will be higher.
 
Foxrac said:
I discussed with my friend about sea ice and he asked me about does ice melts in cup so I did notice about water level is increase after all ice cubes melt in the cup. He said Icebergs are many feet tall and if all of them melt as don't refreeze so ocean water level will be higher.
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Ice cubes melt faster in freshwater. Think about the icebergs. They last longer on ocean than on lakes. Why?

Because it is salt. It does have to do with density.
 
Foxrac said:
Difference about Great Lakes aren't ocean but just an huge lakes since the ice in Arctic and Antarctica are just along with ocean so sea level rises when ice is melting in the ocean.

Remember about ice in Arctic is shrinking for several years, probably until 2007 before rebound so sea level rises when very larger of ice is melting.

I can imagine about what happens to the ocean when entire of ices are gone but won't happen in many years or whatever is interfere with environment.
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Sea ice is the ice floating on Arctic Ocean! When it melts it does't cause sea level to rise. This is 4th grade science. This same principle works with ice cubes in a cup of water, frozen ice of the Great Lakes, and sea ice in the Arctic Ocean. When ice melts, it doesn't change the water level. It's the land masses with the snow and ice you have to worry about on sea level rise.

It's the ice sheets in Greenland, Antarctica and elsewhere on land that when it melts it flows into the ocean much like a turning on the spigot to your bath tub to fill it up.

Every year the Arctic sea ice loses roughly about 10,000,000 square kilometers of ice through melting. And every year it typically gains that much ice back during the cold winter months. The lose of sea ice hasn't affected sea level rise, if it did then we would see a bobbing up and down sea level rises with the freezing sea water and melting of sea ice.
 
Foxrac said:
I discussed with my friend about sea ice and he asked me about does ice melts in cup so I did notice about water level is increase after all ice cubes melt in the cup. He said Icebergs are many feet tall and if all of them melt as don't refreeze so ocean water level will be higher.
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No. Water level does not change when floating ice cubes in water melt.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhGAC1UlK-c&feature=related]YouTube - Ice Melting Timelapse[/ame]
 
Maybe this could be helpful.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcuMLygkwG4]YouTube - Ice cube versus Water[/ame]

"When an ice cube in a glass of water melts, does "the water level in the glass rise, fall, or remain unchanged?"
 
kokonut said:
Sea ice is the ice floating on Arctic Ocean! When it melts it does't cause sea level to rise. This is 4th grade science. This same principle works with ice cubes in a cup of water, frozen ice of the Great Lakes, and sea ice in the Arctic Ocean. When ice melts, it doesn't change the water level. It's the land masses with the snow and ice you have to worry about on sea level rise.

It's the ice sheets in Greenland, Antarctica and elsewhere on land that when it melts it flows into the ocean much like a turning on the spigot to your bath tub to fill it up.

Every year the Arctic sea ice loses roughly about 10,000,000 square kilometers of ice through melting. And every year it typically gains that much ice back during the cold winter months. The lose of sea ice hasn't affected sea level rise, if it did then we would see a bobbing up and down sea level rises with the freezing sea water and melting of sea ice.
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Honestly, you don't explains so clearly about between sea ice and land ice in previous post.

Icebergs are part of sea ice or land ice?

If they don't refreeze after melting so ocean water level changes, it is obvious for me to know it.
 
LOL

This is a serious problem when people think that the melting of Arctic sea ice contributes to the rise in sea level. It doesn't. It's the melting of ice sheets, glaciers and snow on a land mass that are not already in water we must worry about. If all of th ice and snow melted from the Antartica land mass and enters in the ocean (the Antarctica is a desert by the way) then we'll certainly see a big jump in sea level elevation. The Arctic sea ice? Nope. Never gonna happen. Ever.
 
Foxrac said:
Honestly, you don't explains so clearly about between sea ice and land ice in previous post.

Icebergs are part of sea ice or land ice?

If they don't refreeze after melting so ocean water level changes, it is obvious for me to know it.
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I said repeatedly and in bold, too, SEA ice.

Icebergs are frozen water floating in an ocean. Not land ice.

The freezing of ocean water and the eventual melting does not change the sea level one bit. Again, review the videos about the melting ice cubes.
 
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