I think Cochlear Brand people are nicer than AB people.

They use the same processing strategies (ACE, SPEAK, ADRO, or CIS). A Freedom user can upgrade withh no change to their MAP, because it uses the same processing. Read the advertising, it is a totally physical change, it has nothing to do with the processiing. It is smaller and lighter, that is all they ever claimed. Call Cochlear and ask them, they will totally agree! The N5 internal even has the same electrode as the Freedom, just the size changed.
 
The Cochlear <---- this look like a huge technology difference than my freedom (upgrade from 3G and there was a huge sound quality between 3G and Freedom)
 
The Cochlear <---- this look like a huge technology difference than my freedom (upgrade from 3G and there was a huge sound quality between 3G and Freedom)

There was a technology change between the 3G and the Freedom, there wasn't in this upgrade.

Read what they say: "thinner", "smallest", "water-resistant",

it says nothing about speech processing or technology.
 
They use the same processing strategies (ACE, SPEAK, ADRO, or CIS). A Freedom user can upgrade withh no change to their MAP, because it uses the same processing. Read the advertising, it is a totally physical change, it has nothing to do with the processiing. It is smaller and lighter, that is all they ever claimed. Call Cochlear and ask them, they will totally agree! The N5 internal even has the same electrode as the Freedom, just the size changed.

I don't think this is necessarily the best forum for a debate about the brands, and wasn't initially going to step into it, but there's some misinformation.

The new N5s are backwards compatible in that you can use the Freedom map if you have to, but they are designed for a new approach to the map and some significant new functionality (including auto telecoil detect, new omni-directional microphones).

I think all of the 3 major CI products are fantastic, each has some unique strengths that the companies play up in marketing the product. Yes, the N5 still has 22 electrodes, as they have for a few generations now, while the most recent AB has only 16, right? On the other hand, I like AB's separate power source per electrode for future use, but haven't yet seen the software applied to take advantage of that potential. When making our decision a few years ago, I read the reports and had spoken with a number of researchers about Cochlear's previous gen implant, the freedom, and the AB hi-res, and we went with the Cochlear product after a seemingly endless string of positive recommendations based on Li's age. I can see why a late-deafened or adult user might choose AB over Cochlear, but for us, speech recognition is of paramount importance, over environmental sounds / music and the last two cochlear generations both outperform AB's latest gen. product in that regard. And yet, we use the N5's unique Music program with enormous success, and some findings seem to be showing better pitch perception with the Cochlear product, after all, so don't think we've sacrificed anything to focus on speech recognition.
 
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I don't think this is necessarily the best forum for a debate about the brands, and wasn't initially going to step into it, but there's some misinformation.

The new N5s are backwards compatible in that you can use the Freedom map if you have to, but they are designed for a new approach to the map and some significant new functionality (including auto telecoil detect, new omni-directional microphones).

I think all of the 3 major CI products are fantastic, each has some unique strengths that the companies play up in marketing the product. Yes, the N5 still has 22 electrodes, as they have for a few generations now, while the most recent AB has only 16, right? On the other hand, I like AB's separate power source per electrode for future use, but haven't yet seen the software applied to take advantage of that potential. When making our decision a few years ago, I read the reports and had spoken with a number of researchers about Cochlear's previous gen implant, the freedom, and the AB hi-res, and we went with the Cochlear product after a seemingly endless string of positive recommendations based on Li's age. I can see why a late-deafened or adult user might choose AB over Cochlear, but for us, speech recognition is of paramount importance, over environmental sounds / music and the last two cochlear generations both outperform AB's latest gen. product in that regard. And yet, we use the N5's unique Music program with enormous success, and some findings seem to be showing better pitch perception with the Cochlear product, after all, so don't think we've sacrificed anything to focus on speech recognition.

So, when was the last time Cochlear released a new processing strategy? (Genuine question, I don't follow Cochlear that closely)

Yes, AB had 16, and yes they are individually powered, otherwise they couldn't run the 120 software.

Can I see the reports you mention as to outperforming on speech recognition? The only one I have seen in that regard is one that says that says that Cochlear users have better speech recognition at initial stim. Is that what you are referring to?
 
no, you should accept that neither are superior than the other.

I disagree. If I didn't, I would have chosen Cochlear.

It is like the PC vs Mac discussion. Some people have a definitive preference. (And just because most people choose one, doesn't make it better! :D)
 
:shocked: This is not a pc vs. mac debate. We are dealing with human beings here who will have to live with their implant for life.
 
As previously mentioned I have an Advanced Bionics-Harmony which was picked for me by the Cochlea Implant team at Sunnybrook/Toronto- 3 years ago. Oddly enough. I never heard of the company nor Med El either-before. I had a 30 page booklet from Cochlear Corp-1998 about Implants. I don't understand the electronics to make an evaluation of the various models. Salesperson as such don't enter the equation.

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As previously mentioned I have an Advanced Bionics-Harmony which was picked for me by the Cochlea Implant team at Sunnybrook/Toronto- 3 years ago. Oddly enough. I never heard of the company nor Med El either-before. I had a 30 page booklet from Cochlear Corp-1998 about Implants. I don't understand the electronics to make an evaluation of the various models. Salesperson as such don't enter the equation.

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:shocked: This is not a pc vs. mac debate. We are dealing with human beings here who will have to live with their implant for life.

And some people think the technology is the same. It isn't the same. Each company processes sound in very different ways. I was comparing the technology differences the the differences between the computer companies. Some people don't have an opinion, some people don't know, some don't care, but there is a clear difference.
 
people don' think technology is the same. They know each technology have advantages and disadvantages. Some don't care because they know can't go wrong whatever they choose because the good results that other people have.
 
:shocked: This is not a pc vs. mac debate. We are dealing with human beings here who will have to live with their implant for life.

Oh, and most people don't have the same internal device their entire life, unless they are implanted when they are pretty old!
 
people don' think technology is the same. They know each technology have advantages and disadvantages. Some don't care because they know can't go wrong whatever they choose because the good results that other people have.

Yes, I believe that you can get great results with any of the companies, but that doesn't mean that I think the technology is equal.
 
Oh, and most people don't have the same internal device their entire life, unless they are implanted when they are pretty old :giggle:

I think after many years of wearing it, I've told that the nerves actually grow around it. I can't think of the right term but think of a tree growing around a barb wires and sometimes it impossible to take it out. But I could be wrong.
 
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