I just thought of a great idea

jillio said:
It is the teaching not just of how to do something, but why we do it, and how others react to what we do. It is the learning of cultural norms, such as, when you enter college, your parents no longer are able to speak for you, and you must be prepared to advocate for yourself, and then teaching the most effective way to do that.
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Not to mention, learning to self-advocate is especially important for deaf students and people with any disability that makes it harder for them to enter the workforce cause of other people's attitudes. Since deafness and disabilities in general often lead to having to constantly prove oneself, having strong self-advocacy skills are essential.
 
They are all over the place and you just don't understand it. I am a product of it. You would not have liked it if you had actually had any need for it.

Try to take my word for it that it isn't fun and not like some English school girls boarding school story.
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Botte, first of all you're a product of the 50's and 60's. Things have changed drasticly since then. I wasn't thinking about a Jobs Corps style program. (which is the kind it sounds like you had) The kids in the program would have to meet creteria for admission (so that would filter out the slackers and crazies) How do you know the programs haven't improved since then?
My idea is for grads of mainstream programs or solotaires (kids doing the mainstream experiance alone) to attend a Deaf School as a post secondary program. This would be for kids who while they're smart and have some academic skills, they don't have enough abilty to make it to college or a mainstream job training program.
 
The thing we're constantly working on is self advocacy. Every week I'm asked for examples, and, honestly, its something I just do naturally, so I don't traditionally remember it. Well, I do it in school. In school there are programs, and documents, and files, and charts, etc., so its generally necessary for me to remind teachers to please pass the mic, etc. But outside of that.. a good deal of social bluffing. They really focus on self advocacy in schools, and really no where else. I'd also like to know what kinds of things are customary in college. Is it expected for me to use an FM? Do I just go up, introduce myself, explain it briefly, and go grab a seat in the front? Or do I just go sit up front and pray I can figure out what's going on? Ehh, so much. D:
 
I got three years post high school independent living studies in group homes.
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Botte, it wouldn't be a group home/ halfway house independant living thing. I'm against those for otherwise functional dhh folks. They are good for mentally retarded folks as well as autistic and maybe mentally ill folks. But a post high school program for mainstreamed dhh students would be on the campus of the Deaf School, and they could take advantage of all the advantages that the Deaf School has. Many mainstreamed dhh kids never got the advantages that a deaf school can offer, and so fell through the cracks.
 
deafdyke said:
Botte, it wouldn't be a group home/ halfway house independant living thing. I'm against those for otherwise functional dhh folks. They are good for mentally retarded folks as well as autistic and maybe mentally ill folks. But a post high school program for mainstreamed dhh students would be on the campus of the Deaf School, and they could take advantage of all the advantages that the Deaf School has. Many mainstreamed dhh kids never got the advantages that a deaf school can offer, and so fell through the cracks.
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Many people fail to see the devastating effects on deaf children when they feel through the cracks of being mainstreamed.
 
deafdyke said:
Botte, first of all you're a product of the 50's and 60's. Things have changed drasticly since then. I wasn't thinking about a Jobs Corps style program. (which is the kind it sounds like you had) The kids in the program would have to meet creteria for admission (so that would filter out the slackers and crazies) How do you know the programs haven't improved since then?
My idea is for grads of mainstream programs or solotaires (kids doing the mainstream experiance alone) to attend a Deaf School as a post secondary program. This would be for kids who while they're smart and have some academic skills, they don't have enough abilty to make it to college or a mainstream job training program.
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DD,

You seriously need to stop generalising people by doing stereotypes.

In a previous post in another thread, you mentioned I was from the UK, which I am not. I'm from Canada.

Botte deserves a lot better respect from you than this post, telling her that she is a product of the 50-60's doesn't mean you can dismiss her opinion. She has a lot of wisdom to offer to us that we can learn from her. I would rather take her opinion over yours.

What makes you think she had a *sic* "Job Corps" style program?

For you to implement an idea or a program - you must be culturally sensitive to other people which you have not proven this yet by calling others as "crazies" or "slackers". You need to be cautious about stereotyping once again.

You gave an oxymoron -
This would be for kids who while they're smart and have some academic skills, they don't have enough abilty to make it to college or a mainstream job training program.
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Kids can go to college and work?! :shock: I think you meant adults. Intelligent adults can still go to college and achieve employment nowadays as there are existing programs that enables them.

I have yet to see a *sic* "mainstream" job training program as there are job training programs for everyone. Please be careful with the generalising here and there especially if you are serious about implementing an idea or program; generalising and cultural sensitivity.
 
deafdyke said:
Botte, first of all you're a product of the 50's and 60's. Things have changed drasticly since then. I wasn't thinking about a Jobs Corps style program. (which is the kind it sounds like you had) The kids in the program would have to meet creteria for admission (so that would filter out the slackers and crazies) How do you know the programs haven't improved since then?
My idea is for grads of mainstream programs or solotaires (kids doing the mainstream experiance alone) to attend a Deaf School as a post secondary program. This would be for kids who while they're smart and have some academic skills, they don't have enough abilty to make it to college or a mainstream job training program.
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Mrs Bucket said:
DD,

You seriously need to stop generalising people by doing stereotypes.

In a previous post in another thread, you mentioned I was from the UK, which I am not. I'm from Canada.

Botte deserves a lot better respect from you than this post, telling her that she is a product of the 50-60's doesn't mean you can dismiss her opinion. She has a lot of wisdom to offer to us that we can learn from her. I would rather take her opinion over yours.

What makes you think she had a *sic* "Job Corps" style program?

For you to implement an idea or a program - you must be culturally sensitive to other people which you have not proven this yet by calling others as "crazies" or "slackers". You need to be cautious about stereotyping once again.

You gave an oxymoron -

Kids can go to college and work?! :shock: I think you meant adults. Intelligent adults can still go to college and achieve employment nowadays as there are existing programs that enables them.

I have yet to see a *sic* "mainstream" job training program as there are job training programs for everyone. Please be careful with the generalising here and there especially if you are serious about implementing an idea or program; generalising and cultural sensitivity.
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Thanks to Shel and Mrs. Bucket. Your are correct.

DD I was a teen in the 1970's. ANd when I say "group home", I do mean group home. THere were lots of deaf misfits or "crazies" from both systems there. Also blind.

DD, Mrs. BUcket is right about how you generalize and stereotype people.

(by Shel90) Many people fail to see the devastating effects on deaf children when they feel through the cracks of being mainstreamed.
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Shel is very right too.
 
deafdyke said:
Botte, it wouldn't be a group home/ halfway house independant living thing. I'm against those for otherwise functional dhh folks. They are good for mentally retarded folks as well as autistic and maybe mentally ill folks. But a post high school program for mainstreamed dhh students would be on the campus of the Deaf School, and they could take advantage of all the advantages that the Deaf School has. Many mainstreamed dhh kids never got the advantages that a deaf school can offer, and so fell through the cracks.
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What "cracks" are you talking about? Other than cultural, what things do mainstreamed kids not get that Deaf school kids do?
 
deafdyke said:
for Deaf Schools. Maybe a good idea would be to offer a post high school "independant living course" for mainstreamed dhh students. It would help them with independent living abilty, they could bone up on academic courses (a lot of the mainstreamed to the max kids may not realize that they could do better in a dhh academic sitution) etc.
What does everyone else think?
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Some deaf schools and even DHH programs at mainstream schools are already doing this.
 
faire_jour said:
What "cracks" are you talking about? Other than cultural, what things do mainstreamed kids not get that Deaf school kids do?
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Full access to communication at all times. I didnt get that.
 
Full access to communication at all times. I didnt get that.
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Not to mention REALLY good accomondations,, not being lumped in with the kids who are in the Resource Room b/c its a dumping ground, (that happens A LOT in the mainstream, and it's a HUGE reason why mainstreaming doesn't work) social-emotional growth, chance to be a leader/full parcipitant in a comminuty rather then a misfit, courses on Deaf studies, teachers and other adults who are dhh....and more.
 
deafdyke said:
Not to mention REALLY good accomondations,, not being lumped in with the kids who are in the Resource Room b/c its a dumping ground, (that happens A LOT in the mainstream, and it's a HUGE reason why mainstreaming doesn't work) social-emotional growth, chance to be a leader/full parcipitant in a comminuty rather then a misfit, courses on Deaf studies, teachers and other adults who are dhh....and more.
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Oh, those too! It was always "Sorry, you cant because you are deaf" and other bullshit! Nobody would allow me to lead..even as a softball pitcher striking batters out left to right..I didnt get chosen to be the Captain because my coach felt I couldnt handle the responsiblities due to my deafness. As an insecure 17 year old, I believed him. I wish I could see him now and tell him what a fucking audist he was. Luckily, one coach from a college had faith in me and offered me a scholarship so I will be forever grateful to him. My high school coach was a dick head.
 
There is a little girl, (well not so little anymore, she's 14) in the school where my daughter used to go. They were classmates. She is in a wheelchair, has to wear a brace supporting her chest, is fed through an NG tube and has a trach with oxygen pumped in.

She and her twin (before the twin died) both had severe hearing loss. They also had to wear wrist braces (surviving twin still does). Both girls got CI's and were being taught ASL. They were being mainstreamed in the public school system since the school for the deaf could not take them with the other medical issues. While the deceased twin was beginning to thrive and beginning to talk before she died, the surviving twin cannot hear, cannot talk (only grunt) and refuses to do ASL. The school is just passing her up through the grades even though she doesn't do any classwork. She has an aide to help who is also an interpreter. It doesn't do any good.

She goes to speech therapy, occupational therapy, adaptive learning, and all kinds of other special classes. She spends a total of 1 hour in regular classes. Tell me she's not missing out on what a residential or even a deaf school could provide. Yes, she does have a lot of issues, and the school is trying, but they can only do so much with the budget they have.

Other deaf and hoh children at this same school are doing pretty well considering, but they are left out of so much and have almost no friends since no one can communicate with them.
 
KristinaB said:
There is a little girl, (well not so little anymore, she's 14) in the school where my daughter used to go. They were classmates. She is in a wheelchair, has to wear a brace supporting her chest, is fed through an NG tube and has a trach with oxygen pumped in.

She and her twin (before the twin died) both had severe hearing loss. They also had to wear wrist braces (surviving twin still does). Both girls got CI's and were being taught ASL. They were being mainstreamed in the public school system since the school for the deaf could not take them with the other medical issues. While the deceased twin was beginning to thrive and beginning to talk before she died, the surviving twin cannot hear, cannot talk (only grunt) and refuses to do ASL. The school is just passing her up through the grades even though she doesn't do any classwork. She has an aide to help who is also an interpreter. It doesn't do any good.

She goes to speech therapy, occupational therapy, adaptive learning, and all kinds of other special classes. She spends a total of 1 hour in regular classes. Tell me she's not missing out on what a residential or even a deaf school could provide. Yes, she does have a lot of issues, and the school is trying, but they can only do so much with the budget they have.

Other deaf and hoh children at this same school are doing pretty well considering, but they are left out of so much and have almost no friends since no one can communicate with them.
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And people advocate for this? *SMH*
 
shel90 said:
And people advocate for this? *SMH*
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That's why I say that it would be better to not mainstream. Like you, if I had been able to go to a deaf school and have been prepared for the eventuality of my total loss, I would not feel like I lost a part of myself. I am doing better dealing with it and I have accepted myself for what I am and I am gaining acceptance now, but I still feel it is years too late. I will accept what I can get, but there are so many things that could be done for the kids these days that there's no excuse not to get them the services they need.

The real sad part of this little girls plight is, the deaf school is only 40 miles from her house. They now have the ability to handle her medical issues, but did not 8 years ago.

You managed to do well from what I understand, but might have had a happier growing up period if you'd had the advantages of a deaf school. I did fine, but the progression of the hearing loss really took off after I became an adult and I wasn't really prepared for that. AD really helped me, for which I am grateful. You will never know how much you yourself have inspired me to do the best I can with what I have at this point.
 
shel90 said:
Oh, those too! It was always "Sorry, you cant because you are deaf" and other bullshit! Nobody would allow me to lead..even as a softball pitcher striking batters out left to right..I didnt get chosen to be the Captain because my coach felt I couldnt handle the responsiblities due to my deafness. As an insecure 17 year old, I believed him. I wish I could see him now and tell him what a fucking audist he was. Luckily, one coach from a college had faith in me and offered me a scholarship so I will be forever grateful to him. My high school coach was a dick head.
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I wasn't allow to take any leadership role either. But most of the time it is true if you don't have the right communication skills.
 
faire_jour said:
And how would a transition class that teaches you to balance a checkbook help?
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A transition class would help by preparing them for the real world from a deaf standpoint.

I never had anything like that in my schools and I was mainstreamed. I took classes from local agencies to learn what my parents couldn't or wouldn't.

Don't get me wrong, it's not that my parent refused, they just couldn't handle my learning style. I am a hand-on learner and my father the professor was a look, read and comprehend teacher. My mother is I could show you, but it's easier if I do it type of person.

A friend who worked for a bank taught me what I needed to know about budgeting and balancing a checkbook. A friend from church taught me all about nutrition. and things like that and the list goes on. Not all schools, whether they are, deaf or oral or what, will have anything to help prepare a student for the outside real world experiences including the deaf world needs.
 
The hearing support I take is not like a regular class. I go once a week after school, where we talk about how my equipt. is working, how my classes are, tests, quizzes that I'm studying for, and whatever we're working on. This so far includes a weird, more generalized version of a career aptitude test, talk about self-advocating, talking to teachers about in-class needs (captioning, wearing/passing the microphone when speaking, seating, in class discussion), and at some point they mentioned driving, which hasn't been mentioned since. I've also been invited to see a speaker from RIT and Gaulladet. I don't go for a regular hearing support class at all. I've also filled out the forms I mentioned earlier "What are your hobbies? What do you like to do in your spare time?" etc. Lame.
 
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