i have a question for the lesbians and gay people
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interesting.. but you are right.. It seems that gays have it harder than lesbians...ella said:
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ella said:
Physical violence against lesbians is a bit less common, but the reason for that is somewhat understandable. Traditionally, in religions, lesbianism has not been considered "wrong". I have a friend who is an Orthodox Jew who acknowledges that there's nothing in Scripture forbidding lesbianism, though a particular passage in Leviticus could be interpreted as forbidding male homosexuality.
Additionally, it's worth remembering that most of the people commiting hate crimes against gay people are male. As a result that, they come into it with whatever biases they have as a result of what's in their pants. A lot of straight men watch at porn. A lot of straight men also watch lesbian porn. I'd be inclined to believe that a lot of the straight men watching lesbian porn are homophobic. Not all, or even the majority, but still a significant number.
So, to a guy, it's less "wrong" and more "entertainment" for two women to be in a relationship, which may or may not be sexual, but if two men are in a relationship, that's just plain wrong and violates the natural order of things, blah blah blah. It's still homophobic either way and thinking lesbianism could be construed as entertainment is somewhat disturbing to me, personally, but as a result, my observation is that gay bashes on lesbians are less common.
That's my take on it, anyway, being a lesbian.
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Umm, can I butt in, pls?
I think it is natural...
Because Male Lion can have 2 or 3 female Lions in the family... And the female lions are like lesbians, looking after each other cubs.
And I think just like male Rams they fight over for female Ram to start a family.
It seems like gay men are defeated over and over again and straight men wanna dominate the world, they would kill each other for power. For example Saddam and Bush. And I believe gay men finally give in and leave women alone.
So the straight stronger Ram like men get the girls and mate and have their last name pass on from generation to generation as if they are Kings.
I think it is natural...
Because Male Lion can have 2 or 3 female Lions in the family... And the female lions are like lesbians, looking after each other cubs.
And I think just like male Rams they fight over for female Ram to start a family.
It seems like gay men are defeated over and over again and straight men wanna dominate the world, they would kill each other for power. For example Saddam and Bush. And I believe gay men finally give in and leave women alone.
So the straight stronger Ram like men get the girls and mate and have their last name pass on from generation to generation as if they are Kings.
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Well I have no against to anyone. But been gone to the gay bars many times. I notice GUYS are so @&*!# cute!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Beside, they re alike *sluttly* 
Lesbrain, they re so toughie and not care what people thinks. I admired to go there cuz they re so NICE and respects.
I went to dance stage, and didn't attention. I rubs something and i looked. HOLY SMOKLEY, a HOTTIE latin guy with no shirt but hulk chest. I rubbed his chest. And, I didn't take my hand off, and he was looked at me. I said Ooops sorry with red face! He chuckled and laughed at me. My friends saw me, and hitted me, and say damn u dare. LOL
Lesbrain, they re so toughie and not care what people thinks. I admired to go there cuz they re so NICE and respects. I went to dance stage, and didn't attention. I rubs something and i looked. HOLY SMOKLEY, a HOTTIE latin guy with no shirt but hulk chest. I rubbed his chest. And, I didn't take my hand off, and he was looked at me. I said Ooops sorry with red face! He chuckled and laughed at me. My friends saw me, and hitted me, and say damn u dare. LOL
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Gays can be beats just like as lesbians does. Gays can be throws just like as lesbians does. Gays can be crime just like as lesbains does. No one perfect. Many people are crazy and want to be foolish out of themselves. Gay/Lesbains are innoncets because they did not anything with the 'crazy' people.
hope this is easy to understanding *sigh*
hope this is easy to understanding *sigh*
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Teresh said:
I think you're right, though I don't think it's all about entertainment.
Many heterosexual men have such an opposition towards male-male intimacy that many of us shun images that are symbolic of it. Sometimes we may not actively recognize it or be aware of it, but it's still there.
This leads me to suspect that, generally, we are more likely to be tolerant of non-heterosexual intimacy as long as it doesn't represent a violation of our own emotional demarcations. Unfortunately, the idea of male-male intimacy is a little more than what some people can handle.
A bright woman I used to date was a DV counselor, and I remember she cited some research that demonstrated men feel their emotions intensely, but are are not given the tools to manage their feelings. The "friendless american male" is not a rare occurrence, we hide ourselves in a macho facade (ever met a guy who wasn't proud of his scars?) and reinforce it with emotional isolation among peers. We heterosexual men do share our feelings with our partners, but that's not the same thing.
My theory is this: the emotional underdevelopment of males lends to insecurity when emotional boundaries are are potentially "threatened", which lends to an increase in homophobic response to male-male symbolism.
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i agree with u!!! u are right abt that.. no one perfect!!!MizzDeaf said:
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Excuse me, but I have been a les all my life and like gay men, I have had also, physical as well as verbal threats made against me. 2 say that gay men r more likely 2 encounter hatred and fear, that would be a wrong impression of gay men. It depends on the area and state u live in. Some areas gay men r harrassed more because they may live in a heavy christian right wing society, alas, so r lez women in the same area. So, to me , gays and lezs r targets of hatred and threats alike!! Reguardless of ur sexual preference, No 1 should be treated w/ hatred or bias!!
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Why most lesbians are ugly and most gay men are cute?
If someone mentioned the word, "lesbian", we assume someone like Ellen Degeneres and Rosie O'Donnell, boyish type, confuse, acting macho.
And if someone mentioned the word, "gay men", we envision them as girly, cute facial appearance and clean shaven.
If someone mentioned the word, "lesbian", we assume someone like Ellen Degeneres and Rosie O'Donnell, boyish type, confuse, acting macho.
And if someone mentioned the word, "gay men", we envision them as girly, cute facial appearance and clean shaven.
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I agree.
Remember Kufie75? When I saw his photo with Patty once, I thought he was really handsome! Even my PE Coach in elementary school (I had him for 6 years) was handsome back then, even though he was gay....if you can imagine a blond surfer guy but kind of well-built, that's what my coach was like in the 1970s. I even met a gay guy at work when I was only 19 or 20 years old (in 1990), and I thought he was a good looking man. Miss*Pinocchio said:
Well, my PE Coach in business teaching us when we were kids wasn't acting girly....but I was told that he acted like it when he was away from the kids. I remember he dressed and spoke like a guy....it was years later when I found out it was well known that he's gay (teachers told a relative of mine about him - she worked with him too years ago). It's the same with actor Rock Hudson, and Robert Reed (father on Brady Bunch).
There are guys out there like these three who aren't "girly" totally.
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Speaking Of The Devil
Armed Teen at Mass. Gay Bar Injures Three
By RAY HENRY, Associated Press Writer
Thu Feb 2, 11:08 PM
NEW BEDFORD, Mass. - A young man dressed all in black went on a rampage at a gay bar with a hatchet and a gun Thursday, wounding three patrons in what police said appeared to be a hate crime.
One victim was in critical condition.
Police searched for 18-year-old Jacob D. Robida, who was wanted on charges of attempted murder, assault and civil-rights violations.
According to court papers, Robida's mother told police that he briefly stopped by the house less than an hour after the brawl and was bleeding from the head. In Robida's bedroom, officers found Nazi regalia and anti-Semitic writings on the wall.
"Obviously we have a man who's dangerous, who's not rational, and he has weapons," said prosecutor Paul Walsh Jr.
A bartender said it was around midnight when a teen wearing a black hooded sweatshirt and black pants walked into Puzzles Lounge, a gay nightspot in this historic seaport city of 94,000 people, about 50 miles from Boston.
He flashed an apparently fake ID and ordered a drink, then asked if the place was a gay bar and was told it was, said the bartender, who asked to be identified only by his first name, Phillip, because of fear for his safety.
The bartender said the teen finished his drink and walked back to where two men were playing pool. He shoved one of them to the ground, then pulled a hatchet from his sweatshirt and began swinging at the man's head, cutting him, Phillip said.
Other patrons tackled the man, sending the hatchet sliding across the floor, the bartender said. Then the attacker pulled a gun, shot a man, and then fired another bullet into the chest of a patron who was leaving the bathroom, the bartender said.
He then ran off into the night.
Police recovered the hatchet and found a knife outside. The knife was not apparently used in the attack.
According to court papers, a woman in the bar recognized Robida as a current or former student at New Bedford High School. School officials would not confirm whether he was enrolled there.
Robida graduated in 2001 from the city's Junior Police Academy, a "boot camp" that teaches discipline to 12- to 14-year-olds, many of whom are referred by juvenile courts or social services agencies, Acting Police Chief David Provencher said.
Police identified the injured men as Robert Perry, Alex Taylor and Luis Rosado. One has a gunshot wound to the chest, another a gunshot wound to the back and severe cuts to his face, and a third suffered multiple cuts, police said. They would not specify which man suffered which injuries.
All three victims remained hospitalized. Police said one was in critical condition, but would not say which man.
A family friend who answered the door at Robida's home said his mother had no comment.
The owner of the bar, Richard F. Macedo, said he planned to be open Thursday night because closing would amount to giving in to homophobia. He said the place and its customers have never been targeted before because of their sexual orientation.
"We've been here almost 15 years," Macedo said. "All it takes is one bad egg."
Some bar patrons, however, said there has been occasional low-level harrassment over the years.
About 150 people, including Mayor Scott Lang, attended a candlelight vigil outside the bar Thursday night.
"This was a crime against everyone in this city," Lang said.
Armed Teen at Mass. Gay Bar Injures Three
By RAY HENRY, Associated Press Writer
Thu Feb 2, 11:08 PM
NEW BEDFORD, Mass. - A young man dressed all in black went on a rampage at a gay bar with a hatchet and a gun Thursday, wounding three patrons in what police said appeared to be a hate crime.
One victim was in critical condition.
Police searched for 18-year-old Jacob D. Robida, who was wanted on charges of attempted murder, assault and civil-rights violations.
According to court papers, Robida's mother told police that he briefly stopped by the house less than an hour after the brawl and was bleeding from the head. In Robida's bedroom, officers found Nazi regalia and anti-Semitic writings on the wall.
"Obviously we have a man who's dangerous, who's not rational, and he has weapons," said prosecutor Paul Walsh Jr.
A bartender said it was around midnight when a teen wearing a black hooded sweatshirt and black pants walked into Puzzles Lounge, a gay nightspot in this historic seaport city of 94,000 people, about 50 miles from Boston.
He flashed an apparently fake ID and ordered a drink, then asked if the place was a gay bar and was told it was, said the bartender, who asked to be identified only by his first name, Phillip, because of fear for his safety.
The bartender said the teen finished his drink and walked back to where two men were playing pool. He shoved one of them to the ground, then pulled a hatchet from his sweatshirt and began swinging at the man's head, cutting him, Phillip said.
Other patrons tackled the man, sending the hatchet sliding across the floor, the bartender said. Then the attacker pulled a gun, shot a man, and then fired another bullet into the chest of a patron who was leaving the bathroom, the bartender said.
He then ran off into the night.
Police recovered the hatchet and found a knife outside. The knife was not apparently used in the attack.
According to court papers, a woman in the bar recognized Robida as a current or former student at New Bedford High School. School officials would not confirm whether he was enrolled there.
Robida graduated in 2001 from the city's Junior Police Academy, a "boot camp" that teaches discipline to 12- to 14-year-olds, many of whom are referred by juvenile courts or social services agencies, Acting Police Chief David Provencher said.
Police identified the injured men as Robert Perry, Alex Taylor and Luis Rosado. One has a gunshot wound to the chest, another a gunshot wound to the back and severe cuts to his face, and a third suffered multiple cuts, police said. They would not specify which man suffered which injuries.
All three victims remained hospitalized. Police said one was in critical condition, but would not say which man.
A family friend who answered the door at Robida's home said his mother had no comment.
The owner of the bar, Richard F. Macedo, said he planned to be open Thursday night because closing would amount to giving in to homophobia. He said the place and its customers have never been targeted before because of their sexual orientation.
"We've been here almost 15 years," Macedo said. "All it takes is one bad egg."
Some bar patrons, however, said there has been occasional low-level harrassment over the years.
About 150 people, including Mayor Scott Lang, attended a candlelight vigil outside the bar Thursday night.
"This was a crime against everyone in this city," Lang said.
Oh man, that is terrible! I hope the police will find that man before he hurt or kill anyone else. Even though I am straight but it makes me feel disgusted and sad to see what these cruel people are doing to the gay people. I have a dear friend who is gay and sometimes I worry about his safety. I really do despise these people who act out the hate crimes.
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Teen Wanted in Mass. Gay Bar Attack Caught
By NOAH TRISTER, Associated Press Writer
GASSVILLE, Ark. - Two days after a violent rampage at a gay bar in Massachusetts, authorities said the teen suspect fled 1,500 miles to Arkansas where he fatally shot a police officer and a 33-year-old woman.
Jacob D. Robida, a high school dropout who friends said glorified Naziism, was shot twice in the head in a gun battle with police Saturday, officials said. He was critically injured.
After Thursday's hatchet-and-gun attack at Puzzles Lounge in New Bedford, Mass., which injured three people, police said the 18-year-old fled in a green Pontiac and picked up Jennifer Rena Bailey, at her Charleston, W. Va., home.
"Apparently she's had a prior relationship with this guy and had been corresponding with him," said West Virginia State Police Sgt. C.J. Ellyson.
They were driving through the northern Arkansas town of Gassville when Officer Jim Sell pulled them over for a traffic stop. The teen twice shot Sell, 56, said Massachusetts prosecutor Paul Walsh Jr.
Witness Maryann Hoyne said she saw the officer's squad car bumper to bumper with Robida's car, and heard three gunshots. Sell was on the ground and Robida got back into his car and drove off, she said.
Robida returned a moment later to retrieve his gun, which he had left at the side of the officer, said Hoyne, manager of the Brass Door Motel in Gassville.
About 25 miles away, Robida drove over spike strips set out by state troopers and drove with two punctured tires into downtown Norfork. Robida's car then careened into several parked vehicles to avoid a police barricade.
"When he wrecked he started firing at our officer and a state police officer, and the officers returned fire," said Baxter County Sheriff John Montgomery.
The teen shot the woman in the car with him before he was wounded in the shootout with police, Walsh said. State police wouldn't confirm Walsh's account and said ballistics tests would determine how the woman died.
Robida was taken to a Springfield, Mo., hospital, according to Arkansas State Police spokesman Bill Sadler.
One victim of the Massachusetts attack _ which police have called a hate crime _ said he was "elated" the teen had been apprehended.
"Right now I'd like him to be able to regain consciousness and answer some questions," said Bob Perry, who was released from a Boston hospital Friday. He had a black eye, a five-inch gash on his right cheek and a bullet hole in his back.
Another victim remained hospitalized, and officials would not disclose the location of the third. Police said Robida would be charged with attempted murder, assault and civil rights violations in the attack.
Teen Wanted in Mass. Gay Bar Attack Caught
By NOAH TRISTER, Associated Press Writer
GASSVILLE, Ark. - Two days after a violent rampage at a gay bar in Massachusetts, authorities said the teen suspect fled 1,500 miles to Arkansas where he fatally shot a police officer and a 33-year-old woman.
Jacob D. Robida, a high school dropout who friends said glorified Naziism, was shot twice in the head in a gun battle with police Saturday, officials said. He was critically injured.
After Thursday's hatchet-and-gun attack at Puzzles Lounge in New Bedford, Mass., which injured three people, police said the 18-year-old fled in a green Pontiac and picked up Jennifer Rena Bailey, at her Charleston, W. Va., home.
"Apparently she's had a prior relationship with this guy and had been corresponding with him," said West Virginia State Police Sgt. C.J. Ellyson.
They were driving through the northern Arkansas town of Gassville when Officer Jim Sell pulled them over for a traffic stop. The teen twice shot Sell, 56, said Massachusetts prosecutor Paul Walsh Jr.
Witness Maryann Hoyne said she saw the officer's squad car bumper to bumper with Robida's car, and heard three gunshots. Sell was on the ground and Robida got back into his car and drove off, she said.
Robida returned a moment later to retrieve his gun, which he had left at the side of the officer, said Hoyne, manager of the Brass Door Motel in Gassville.
About 25 miles away, Robida drove over spike strips set out by state troopers and drove with two punctured tires into downtown Norfork. Robida's car then careened into several parked vehicles to avoid a police barricade.
"When he wrecked he started firing at our officer and a state police officer, and the officers returned fire," said Baxter County Sheriff John Montgomery.
The teen shot the woman in the car with him before he was wounded in the shootout with police, Walsh said. State police wouldn't confirm Walsh's account and said ballistics tests would determine how the woman died.
Robida was taken to a Springfield, Mo., hospital, according to Arkansas State Police spokesman Bill Sadler.
One victim of the Massachusetts attack _ which police have called a hate crime _ said he was "elated" the teen had been apprehended.
"Right now I'd like him to be able to regain consciousness and answer some questions," said Bob Perry, who was released from a Boston hospital Friday. He had a black eye, a five-inch gash on his right cheek and a bullet hole in his back.
Another victim remained hospitalized, and officials would not disclose the location of the third. Police said Robida would be charged with attempted murder, assault and civil rights violations in the attack.
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Man Held in Bar Attack Dies After Shootout
GASSVILLE, Ark. - A teenager suspected of a hatchet-and-gun attack in a Massachusetts gay bar and in the fatal shooting of two people died Sunday morning after he was critically wounded in a gun battle with Arkansas police, authorities said.
Jacob D. Robida, 18, died at 3:38 a.m. Sunday at Cox-South Hospital in Springfield, Mo., Arkansas State Police spokesman Bill Sadler said.
Robida, a high school dropout who friends said glorified Naziism, was shot twice in the head in a shootout with police Saturday after he fatally shot a Gassville police officer and a woman in his car, authorities said.
Two days earlier, he allegedly went on a violent rampage at the Puzzles Lounge in New Bedford, Mass., that left three men wounded, one critically. Police labeled the attack there a hate crime.
After Thursday's attack, police say Robida fled in a green Pontiac and picked up Jennifer Rena Bailey, at her Charleston, W. Va., home.
"Apparently she's had a prior relationship with this guy and had been corresponding with him," said West Virginia State Police Sgt. C.J. Ellyson.
They were driving through the northern Arkansas town of Gassville when Officer Jim Sell pulled them over for a traffic stop. The teen twice shot Sell, 56, said Massachusetts prosecutor Paul Walsh Jr.
Witness Maryann Hoyne said she saw the officer's squad car bumper to bumper with Robida's car, and heard three gunshots. Sell was on the ground and Robida got back into his car and drove off, she said.
Robida returned a moment later to retrieve his gun, which he had left at the side of the officer, said Hoyne, manager of the Brass Door Motel in Gassville.
About 25 miles away, Robida drove over spike strips set out by state troopers and drove with two punctured tires into downtown Norfork. Robida's car then smashed into several parked vehicles to avoid a police barricade.
"When he wrecked he started firing at our officer and a state police officer, and the officers returned fire," said Baxter County Sheriff John Montgomery.
The teen shot the woman in the car with him before he was wounded in the shootout with police, Walsh said. State police wouldn't confirm Walsh's account and said ballistics tests would determine how the woman died.
One victim of the Massachusetts attack _ which police have called a hate crime _ said he was "elated" the teen had been apprehended.
"Right now I'd like him to be able to regain consciousness and answer some questions," said Bob Perry, who was released from a Boston hospital Friday. He had a black eye, a five-inch gash on his right cheek and a bullet hole in his back.
Another victim remained hospitalized, and officials would not disclose the location of the third. Police said Robida would be charged with attempted murder, assault and civil rights violations in the attack.
GASSVILLE, Ark. - A teenager suspected of a hatchet-and-gun attack in a Massachusetts gay bar and in the fatal shooting of two people died Sunday morning after he was critically wounded in a gun battle with Arkansas police, authorities said.
Jacob D. Robida, 18, died at 3:38 a.m. Sunday at Cox-South Hospital in Springfield, Mo., Arkansas State Police spokesman Bill Sadler said.
Robida, a high school dropout who friends said glorified Naziism, was shot twice in the head in a shootout with police Saturday after he fatally shot a Gassville police officer and a woman in his car, authorities said.
Two days earlier, he allegedly went on a violent rampage at the Puzzles Lounge in New Bedford, Mass., that left three men wounded, one critically. Police labeled the attack there a hate crime.
After Thursday's attack, police say Robida fled in a green Pontiac and picked up Jennifer Rena Bailey, at her Charleston, W. Va., home.
"Apparently she's had a prior relationship with this guy and had been corresponding with him," said West Virginia State Police Sgt. C.J. Ellyson.
They were driving through the northern Arkansas town of Gassville when Officer Jim Sell pulled them over for a traffic stop. The teen twice shot Sell, 56, said Massachusetts prosecutor Paul Walsh Jr.
Witness Maryann Hoyne said she saw the officer's squad car bumper to bumper with Robida's car, and heard three gunshots. Sell was on the ground and Robida got back into his car and drove off, she said.
Robida returned a moment later to retrieve his gun, which he had left at the side of the officer, said Hoyne, manager of the Brass Door Motel in Gassville.
About 25 miles away, Robida drove over spike strips set out by state troopers and drove with two punctured tires into downtown Norfork. Robida's car then smashed into several parked vehicles to avoid a police barricade.
"When he wrecked he started firing at our officer and a state police officer, and the officers returned fire," said Baxter County Sheriff John Montgomery.
The teen shot the woman in the car with him before he was wounded in the shootout with police, Walsh said. State police wouldn't confirm Walsh's account and said ballistics tests would determine how the woman died.
One victim of the Massachusetts attack _ which police have called a hate crime _ said he was "elated" the teen had been apprehended.
"Right now I'd like him to be able to regain consciousness and answer some questions," said Bob Perry, who was released from a Boston hospital Friday. He had a black eye, a five-inch gash on his right cheek and a bullet hole in his back.
Another victim remained hospitalized, and officials would not disclose the location of the third. Police said Robida would be charged with attempted murder, assault and civil rights violations in the attack.
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From my expirence, Lesbians are generally more receptive because men at heart are pervert. While gay men are able to express themself more openly than straight men, this may lead to a case of jealously and hatred simply because they can't express their feelings. The sole exception to this is a Metrosexual, I happen to be one myself.
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thewinterknight said:
I kinda agree with this but not because men are perverts but because their manhood feels less threatened by the idea of two women together since it is most men's fantasy. It just seems to be more accepted by men because most desire to see or participate in that. Also, not all lesbians are obvious or butch. I don't put myself in a butch or femme box. I dress and act as I see fit and what I do behind closed doors with my partner of choice just happens to be private. But I do have a 5' rainbow wind sock on my front porch so I'm not closeted.
ella said:
I can't speak for what anyone else experiences, but I do know what my girlfriend and I experienced. In the first six months of our relationship, we were harrassed an average of once every ten days. (We did the math.) Most of that was in a four-block area between our apartment and our college campus. People would spit, throw things, shout obsceneties, and generally just make idiots of themselves. We had one jerk follow us around Wal-Mart, asking me if my "boyfriend" had a problem, and repeatedly shouting "Sir" at my girlfriend. We never had any actual physical violence towards us, thankfully, although we were frightened enough of it that we begged and borrowed to get a car. We almost never felt safe.
Things have calmed down a lot now, though. We live in a different neighborhood and we don't walk as much. Now we mostly get ignorant comments from teens at the mall who don't know any better. (That's nothing against teens, by the way. I practically still am one, or at least that's how I feel. I'm just saying these particular teens don't know any better!)
While I agree that gay men probably have it harder as far as physical violence is concerned, I don't want anyone to mistake being the object of some idiot straight guy's fantasy as being "accepted." I do NOT enjoy it when drunken idiots stagger up to my girlfriend and me and ask for explicit descriptions of what we do together! We don't do it for THEM, and our relationship is about a lot more than just THAT!