I am an Iraqi woman, and I am boycotting Sunday's elections

[Angel]

ckfarbes,

Are you sure those photos are not fake? but then again it might have happened...That's totally sad!

 

[DeafSCUBA98]

like i said maybe that iraqi womn refuse to vote because the iraqi ppl were told if they vote they'll be killed.

i read the newspaper from star truibune for mpls/st. paul that iraq guy talked to his relatives in iraq and he told him that if they vote they'll be shot to death.

 

[GalaxyAngel]

*Reacts* :vomit:

Unbelievable... What the heck they doing raping the woman by us soldier.. Why can't they should put'em punished and send to them back to usa. ?

Simalir alike Iraqias solider might be possible rape usa woman solider as their hostage too ? *who knows* How can punished Iraqias solider too ?

No difference being still ongoing crime war/ war on war..

As well said deaflibrarian........

 

[Reba]

Cheri... yeah that is true.. look at below

Photos Show Rape of Iraqi Women by US Occupation Forces:

NOTE: I am not purpose to post nasty here.. I want show cheri something photo as prove as true... forgive me..

I notice that your source for the photos is http://www.aztlan.net/

That website is a radical anti-American, anti-Israel website.

Also, if those are American soldiers in Iraq in the first three photos, why are they wearing the wrong uniforms? Our soldiers wear desert cammies, not jungle fatigues.

The fourth photo doesn't indicate what is happening; it looks more like a soldier standing near a body.

 

[Vance]

like i said maybe that iraqi womn refuse to vote because the iraqi ppl were told if they vote they'll be killed.

i read the newspaper from star truibune for mpls/st. paul that iraq guy talked to his relatives in iraq and he told him that if they vote they'll be shot to death.

Well, it is quite opposite. They(americans and iraqis) will not provide the foods if they did not vote. I posted the topic about it in this same forum.

One journalist, friend of my friend predicted that there will be more articles about these horrible stuffs about americans or iraqi who trained by americans treat toward iraqis between pre-election to post-election.

IRAQ: Some Just Voted for Food -- That is only beginning of so-called 'success' about Iraq election.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

ckfarbes,

Are you sure those photos are not fake? but then again it might have happened...That's totally sad!

I'm afraid, it's true!

There're scandal about US army in Europe like this in the newspapers, TV etc. I'm not surprised when I saw the pictures of US soliders did with Iran woman.

Iran men and women was abuse by US soliders. Some of them were arrested. Yes, rape is also included, too. It's not a first time, I know.

I received an insult from other US forum because I told them what I know. I said nothing until I saw those thread here so I has to add my post to tell you that it's true.

That's why I'm not support the war.


One thing, I'm totally surprised that you all didnt know about this. The newspapers, TV, radio etc was already spread out in Europe.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I notice that your source for the photos is http://www.aztlan.net/

That website is a radical anti-American, anti-Israel website.

Also, if those are American soldiers in Iraq in the first three photos, why are they wearing the wrong uniforms? Our soldiers wear desert cammies, not jungle fatigues.

The fourth photo doesn't indicate what is happening; it looks more like a soldier standing near a body.

I studied the pictures after read your post.

Well, I dont think the pictures are fake because I know that uniforms since I work for US army caserne in Germany. They wear both desert cammies or jungle fatigues. Yes, they must wear desert cammies if they are outside and on the war. They can wear jungle fatigues in the room only, not on the war. (I already asked my American co-worker about this after read your post).

Beleive me, Reba, it's not a first time I heard. I know it for a long time. Yes, men and women were abuse by US soliders. Some of US soliders were arrestted for abuse them last year.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I am not surprised that people in the USA are being kept in the dark about the atrocities going on. The Geneva Convention was enacted to prevent these sorts of things happening during war, but the USA (and Great Britain now) considers themselves above those sorts of things. It is all in the name of the "war against terrorism" so the military will do whatever they want to get whatever information they want. If it means sexually assaulting Iraqi women to pry information out of them or their family then so be it.

I also think the support of the military is very strong in the USA to the point they can't or refuse to believe the military can do any wrong even when atrocious reports like this slowly start to come out and meanwhile other countries like in Europe and Canada have known about this for a long time. Our general media doesn't censor which helps why such information gets through. For example, we see all the pictures of coffins in the military transport planes with the flags draped over them. These pictures are banned in the USA. We've also seen the various beheading pictures which have been edited out in the USA. Examples like that.

What bothers me the most is that these male American soldiers are turning against their female fellow soldiers and raping them. One would think these women are in the military, they know how to shoot and kill so how can they have this happen to them? I know there's consensual sex, but not always and it is only because a few brave souls have decided enough is enough and came forward last year with their stories to the general media that we know about this:
http://fairuse.1accesshost.com/news1/charlotte1.html
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansa.../7895611.htm?1c
http://www.denverpost.com/cda/artic...1913069,00.html
http://newstandardnews.net/content/...item&itemid=549
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/11/30/kuwait.rape.ap/
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/299474.shtml
http://www.military.com/Resources/R...orth_092404.htm

The list just goes on and on. I know I've said this before, but if these male American soldiers are raping their female fellow soldiers then what hope was there for the Iraqi women who were being detained or used as a "sexual release" for these men in war? We never hear about female American soldiers raping their male fellow soldiers or Iraqi boys and men. I'd like to think it is because women are stronger mentally, are smarter, and actually have some compassion during war.

True, I thought so. I was chatted with my Canadian friend and learn alot about America from them is an exactly same what you said here.

For example, we see all the pictures of coffins in the military transport planes with the flags draped over them. These pictures are banned in the USA. We've also seen the various beheading pictures which have been edited out in the USA. Examples like that.

Interesting! We saw often the pictures of coffins like what you mentioned.

True, I often saw dead bodies on the TV. Example about Tsunami.

I also saw dead bodies in Tsunami, also Iran, etc etc on the TV, newspapers etc in Germany.

I think it's no right to hide something from Americans because they has the right to know what it going on. I cant beleive when I read some of posts here saying that they didnt know that US soliders did to women. It's sad because I know for a long time.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Don't shoot me because I am Canadian.

The so-called election in Iraq was a forced one and it will not succeed. It is like forcing someone with an addiction into recovery. The attempt at recovery will fail because it is the person with the addiction that needs to want to go into recovery, not because they've been threatened with losing custody of their children, losing their job, or going to jail.

Forcing the Iraqi people to vote is like forcing a horse to water when the horse doesn't want to drink water. The Iraqi people need to want to vote freely and without influence from other countries. A country like the United States or Great Britain cannot barge into another country and order them to vote. Would Americans or even Canadians stand for this? No, we would say we will vote when we are good and ready; no one is going to force me to vote.

As for the report on the rights of Iraqi women and how they are worse off plus being raped by male American soldiers it is a horrible truth. Marie Claire magazine has reported on this in previous issues, as has the news media.

Iraqi women may have lived under a dictatorship when Saddam Hussein was ruler, but they lived a good life compared to women in other Middle Eastern countries and before the American occupation. They went to college, held jobs, and had social lives. Since the occupation of Iraq, anarchy has reigned and the Islamic extremists have set out to try and ensure the Islamic doctrine is upheld. It reminded me of what happened in Afghanistan when the Russians left. The Taliban took over, and then the Americans invaded. Are the Afghan women's lives any better? No, they are worse, and in fact the Taliban are coming back with renewed strength. Canadian troops continue to battle with Islamic fundamentalists every day in Afghanistan.

It should not be a surprise that male American soldiers are raping Iraqi women. In fact, there have been reports by fellow female American soldiers that were sexually assaulted and/or raped by their male peers while in Iraq. It is only just coming out in the news. If male American soldiers do that to their fellow female soldiers then why wouldn't they be above sexually assaulting and/or raping Iraqi women?

Rape is a war crime. The American soldiers will never be caught or court-martialed because the Iraqi women will never report it because of the "honour" stigma.

War sucks. :thumbd: War is horrible. War needs to end.

Well said! I feel the same as you because I'm an European. I had bad experience from other forum because they refuse to accept the truth about US soliders and war etc. I received an insult from them that's why I left other forum and said no word until I saw Magastu's thread here for a first time and surprised that AD members are total different from other forum. AD members are open mind and admit what they know or not. That's why I like about them here. AD forum is more safety and share our discussion etc.

 

[Reba]

I studied the pictures after read your post.

Well, I dont think the pictures are fake because I know that uniforms since I work for US army caserne in Germany. They wear both desert cammies or jungle fatigues. Yes, they must wear desert cammies if they are outside and on the war. They can wear jungle fatigues in the room only, not on the war. (I already asked my American co-worker about this after read your post).

Are you sure that they wear jungle fatigues in Iraq? Iraq is not Germany. I notice in most photos of soldiers in Iraq wear t-shirts and pants in their down time. I have never seen a photo of them dressed like those in the photos. Also, why did they wear camouflage makeup on their faces? If they were trying to hide their identities, why did they allow someone to take such careful close-up pictures? What is the source of these photos? Who took them?

I am not saying that no rapes ever happened. I am just suspicious of many of these photo "proofs" on the internet. They have already proven that many were fakes that were found on a porn site.

We shouldn't easily accept everything we see just because it shows up on the all holy internet.

 

[Cheri]

Are you sure that they wear jungle fatigues in Iraq? Iraq is not Germany. I notice in most photos of soldiers in Iraq wear t-shirts and pants in their down time. I have never seen a photo of them dressed like those in the photos. Also, why did they wear camouflage makeup on their faces? If they were trying to hide their identities, why did they allow someone to take such careful close-up pictures? What is the source of these photos? Who took them?I am not saying that no rapes ever happened. I am just suspicious of many of these photo "proofs" on the internet. They have already proven that many were fakes that were found on a porn site. We shouldn't easily accept everything we see just because it shows up on the all holy internet.

Yes, it does look like they are hiding their identities, that is why they are wearing those mask. I am wondering about the same thing why they took pictures? Was it for themselves or someone used a hidden camera for evidences Who knows. But, American Soldiers did raped some women in Vietnam war. I wouldn't be surprise if it happened again in Iraq.

 

[harleymn]

Thats Not Us

Cheri... yeah that is true.. look at below

Photos Show Rape of Iraqi Women by US Occupation Forces:

GRAPHIC WARNING: CLICK AT YOUR OWN RISK
http://www.aztlan.net/usa-rape-iraqi-woman5.jpg
http://www.aztlan.net/usa-rape-iraqi-woman2.jpg
http://www.aztlan.net/usa-rape-iraqi-woman.jpg
http://www.aztlan.net/sodomized_iraqi_pow.jpg

NOTE: I am not purpose to post nasty here.. I want show cheri something photo as prove as true... forgive me..

NOTICED THE UNIFORM IT IS DArk green ours are light brown or tan like the desert look on the news next time telll me what colors our soldiers are wearing now also that look like insergetsion irag look on the soldiers that came to vote like tonight, no magastu the votes has beeen fifty yrs and we are stopping terrorists for yrs is now to stop them for controlling and let woman and children have normal life like we have here Now the terrorists dont like that. The men(terorists) likes to control women and children lives theIr WAYS (by saying you go to heaven if you do what i say,like those pilots that crash into the tower,they were kids raised to belive that)So we are trying to stop now and for the future for them and for us no more surprize attacks like 9 11 atacks plus all those missles and bla h blah. hope this vote will put them in democracy like ours are in today .more police in thier country and dont have to worrry about buch of bs in the middle east.

 

[harleymn]

bullshit magastu hahah

Well, it is quite opposite. They(americans and iraqis) will not provide the foods if they did not vote. I posted the topic about it in this same forum.

One journalist, friend of my friend predicted that there will be more articles about these horrible stuffs about americans or iraqi who trained by americans treat toward iraqis between pre-election to post-election.

IRAQ: Some Just Voted for Food -- That is only beginning of so-called 'success' about Iraq election.

the elestion is to stop terorists peroid .you dont know squatt.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

NOTICED THE UNIFORM IT IS DArk green ours are light brown or tan like the desert look on the news next time telll me what colors our soldiers are wearing now also that look like insergetsion irag look on the soldiers that came to vote like tonight, no magastu the votes has beeen fifty yrs and we are stopping terrorists for yrs is now to stop them for controlling and let woman and children have normal life like we have here Now the terrorists dont like that. The men(terorists) likes to control women and children lives theIr WAYS (by saying you go to heaven if you do what i say,like those pilots that crash into the tower,they were kids raised to belive that)So we are trying to stop now and for the future for them and for us no more surprize attacks like 9 11 atacks plus all those missles and bla h blah. hope this vote will put them in democracy like ours are in today .more police in thier country and dont have to worrry about buch of bs in the middle east.

***sigh***

YES, it's US soliders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know the difference BECAUSE I work for US army caserne and see US soliders EVERYDAY.

You can see the picture of "worn out" color jungle fatigues uniforum. "dark green" jungle fatigues means is NEW. ALL what I saw "worn out" color jungle fatigues uniform here everyday. Some wear dark green, I can see that it's NEW uniform.

The desert cammies uniform, they wear at war in Iraq. When I see US soliders wear desert cammies uniform in Germany, it means that they leave for Iraq.

I know what I am saying because I work for US army caserne for almost 20 years.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Are you sure that they wear jungle fatigues in Iraq? Iraq is not Germany. I notice in most photos of soldiers in Iraq wear t-shirts and pants in their down time. I have never seen a photo of them dressed like those in the photos. Also, why did they wear camouflage makeup on their faces? If they were trying to hide their identities, why did they allow someone to take such careful close-up pictures? What is the source of these photos? Who took them?

I am not saying that no rapes ever happened. I am just suspicious of many of these photo "proofs" on the internet. They have already proven that many were fakes that were found on a porn site.

We shouldn't easily accept everything we see just because it shows up on the all holy internet.

Yeah, I understand what you mean.

I questioned my American co-workers. They are not surprised when they saw the pictures and know that it's not faked pictures.

Yes, US soliders must wear desert cammies uniform when they are on the war in Iraq or Muslim countries.
Perhaps they bring jungle fatigues uniform with them in Iraq or Muslim countries where they were stationed and wear them during their break time? or use them for something illegal like what we saw the pictures here?

Yes, there're hiddern camera or video because I often saw on TV like this. Maybe someone get the reporters to proof what US soliders did to women in which place?

As far as I know that most US soliders donate "worn out" jungle fatigues uniform to people from poor countries.

Yes, it's good question about mask. I find it's strange that they wear something to hide their identities. Perhaps they knew that hiddern camera or pictures are somewhere or dont want woman know who they are.?

 

[Reba]

I questioned my American co-workers. They are not surprised when they saw the pictures and know that it's not faked pictures.

Are your American co-workers soldiers or civilians?

Yes, US soliders must wear desert cammies uniform when they are on the war in Iraq or Muslim countries.

Correct.

Perhaps they bring jungle fatigues uniform with them in Iraq or Muslim countries where they were stationed and wear them during their break time?

Not likely. They are very limited what they can bring with them, and what they can carry. Carrying an extra set of clothing that they are not allowed to wear during duty or outside would be an extra useless burden.

or use them for something illegal like what we saw the pictures here?

Do you mean when they are in the States packing for deployment they say to themselves, "Hmmm, I better pack a set of jungle fatigues in case I want to rape someone in Iraq"? That doesn't seem logical.

Yes, there're hiddern camera or video because I often saw on TV like this.

Interesting that if the camera was "hidden" it was being handheld because it takes pictures from different angles and distance. Also, if it was hidden, why would the "soldiers" need to disguise their faces?

As far as I know that most US soliders donate "worn out" jungle fatigues uniform to people from poor countries.

They can only be properly disposed of after all nametags and rank insignia are removed.
New and used "jungle" fatigues are easy and common to buy at any military surplus store. Anyone can buy some. Many other countries' militaries wear similar uniforms.

Yes, it's good question about mask. I find it's strange that they wear something to hide their identities. Perhaps they knew that hiddern camera or pictures are somewhere or dont want woman know who they are.?

Or maybe they are making a fake movie/picture and think that the make-up looks more "real" to people who are not military.

Can we trust internet pictures?
What about this?
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IRAQ_SOLDIER?SITE=CATOR

 

[The*Empress]

Bush said he thinks that by giving Iraq and other middle east countries freedom... to create WORLD PEACE.

That is why we ignore Africa, Congo... when they had genocide..
but they haven't attack USA or any other countries, just their own
people. But if Africans attack USA then Bush will attack Africa
and try to end the genocide there.

 

[mspottedhorse]

I believe those were staged, not as an act to make the US look bad but for some sort of fetish. Take a minute and google some terms that come to mind when looking at those pictures. I found several porn sites and movies that have soldiers in fatigues.

 

[The*Empress]

Women are the new victims of Islamic groups intent on restoring a medieval barbarity

Independent

I am an Iraqi woman, and I am boycotting Sunday's elections. Women who do vote will be voting for an enslaved future. Surely, say those who support these elections, after decades of tyranny, here at last is a form of democracy, imperfect, but democracy nevertheless?


The writer, an Iraqi living in Britain, is the UK head of the Organisation of Women's Freedom in Iraq

Source: http://comment.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=605289

WHY DON'T SHE GO BACK TO IRAQ AND LIVE THERE???? THAT IS THE REASON WHY SHE WON'T LIVE IN IRAQ.
I DON'T KNOW WHY IRAQIS MOVE TO AMERICA OR UK AND WON'T
LET BUSH TO MAKE IRAQ A BETTER COUNTRY SO THAT OTHER IRAQIS WON'T
MOVE HERE IN AMERICA OR UK.
SHE IS JUST MAKING EXCUSES SO THAT UK WON'T SEND HER BACK TO IRAQ, JUST WANT TO LIVE IN UK AND COLLECT WELFARE AND STUFF.

 

[The*Empress]

And Also, She Is A Traitor!!!!