I am an Iraqi woman, and I am boycotting Sunday's elections

[XBGMER]

Everyone in alldeaf, I acknowledge that photo is very disgusts. I am sorry that cause to be embrassed you about our US troop who did rape the foreign woman. This pictures are a real photo with undoubt in my mind. no questions nor argument.. here is simple: PROVE BY PHOTO!!.. thank you.. enjoy stay!!

 

[Reba]

... PROVE BY PHOTO!!..

Do you believe this photo, too?

 

[stringbean]

Do you believe this photo, too?

Yea, that's what my dad said when I asked him. I don't know whether those photos you have are real or not, but just like Iraqis feel like they have to hate ALL Americans and thus do things like Reba's pic. Other Americans(some being in military) are mad because of these things that they(Iraqis) do to us. People believe that because we are American's we should not have feeling of hate back towards people who do these kind of things to us. When some people get an opportunity to express their anger they take it. Obviously it is not right, expecially since it is generalizing a group of people as all terrorists, but it is someone with whom they feel they can somehow get back at what they have done to us.

 

[Reba]

Here is the truth about the photo:

It is fake!

It is a picture of a 12-inch action figure (doll).

See how easy it is to fake pictures? If you use the right software, it is even easier.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Yea, that's what my dad said when I asked him. I don't know whether those photos you have are real or not, but just like Iraqis feel like they have to hate ALL Americans and thus do things like Reba's pic. Other Americans(some being in military) are mad because of these things that they(Iraqis) do to us. People believe that because we are American's we should not have feeling of hate back towards people who do these kind of things to us. When some people get an opportunity to express their anger they take it. Obviously it is not right, expecially since it is generalizing a group of people as all terrorists, but it is someone with whom they feel they can somehow get back at what they have done to us.

Remember that film doesnt tell lie. I saw it myself on the TV.

Well, I do not defend myself when anyone talk about Nazi condition in Germany at other threads because I´m pretty open mind.

That pictures, ckfarbes showed us is NOT FAKED. I know the difference.

Please keep your mind open when it comes.


Reba, I´ll answer your question within 30 minutes. I has to leave for work right now.

 

[harleymn]

dont forget that......

Remember that film doesnt tell lie. I saw it myself on the TV.

Well, I do not defend myself when anyone talk about Nazi condition in Germany at other threads because I´m pretty open mind.

That pictures, ckfarbes showed us is NOT FAKED. I know the difference.

Please keep your mind open when it comes.


Reba, I´ll answer your question within 30 minutes. I has to leave for work right now.

porno can get those uniformsit looks like a porno photo, etc i dont believe that is us soldiers ,in fact they where tan and darker brown not green.thats why they where make up.so they wont get trouble its really not us.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

porno can get those uniformsit looks like a porno photo, etc i dont believe that is us soldiers ,in fact they where tan and darker brown not green.thats why they where make up.so they wont get trouble its really not us.

Really, I feel sorry for you totally.

I can't beleive that you claim what I know from the NEWS from the TV. Do you call the news from the TV is make up or what? The news on the TV has no reason to tell us the lies. The originally, they made hiddern camera to show us what they did to Iraq. Of course US soliders were arrest for this last year. Dont you know about that?

Dont forget that uniforum what they wear is USED

You dont beleive then is your own problem, not mine.

I dont bother to discuss with closed mind people anymore and leave this thread here.

Again, I feel sorry for you.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Are your American co-workers soldiers or civilians?

Both!
It would risk my job if I show the picture to US soliders. No Way. I showed the picture to my US civilian co-worker. She took the pictures and show her friends without tell who it get from. They are not surprised and disgust when they saw the picture. We all know the difference between real and faked. The picture where ckfarbes show is not faked.

Not likely. They are very limited what they can bring with them, and what they can carry. Carrying an extra set of clothing that they are not allowed to wear during duty or outside would be an extra useless burden.

Yeah, of course they know their limited what they can bring or not. Some of them do illegal.

Do you mean when they are in the States packing for deployment they say to themselves, "Hmmm, I better pack a set of jungle fatigues in case I want to rape someone in Iraq"? That doesn't seem logical.

No, I'm not saying that they are planning to rape someone in Iraq or other countries. I mean is they bring jungle fatigues for some reason. Maybe they use it illegal to hide themselves?

Interesting that if the camera was "hidden" it was being handheld because it takes pictures from different angles and distance. Also, if it was hidden, why would the "soldiers" need to disguise their faces?

I am agree with my co-worker and her US solider hubby & their friends. That's what I know from my co-worker:

Well, they do not hide their faces when they rape forigener woman without realized that hiddern camera or video around.
They (reporters/jounralist) are not allow to spread US solider's real face out to the world or internet. They has to paint or add the masks to hide their faces before spread them out like what they did to hide US solider's penis because what US soliders did is not belongs to porn.

It's very easy for you to paint or add the mask on the picture if you dont want to show your children to internet. I often do that.

I'm not saying it's Iran woman but foregin woman because US soliders stationed at different countries.

They can only be properly disposed of after all nametags and rank insignia are removed.

Correct

New and used "jungle" fatigues are easy and common to buy at any military surplus store. Anyone can buy some. Many other countries' militaries wear similar uniforms.

Yes, it's correct but most like to have original soliders uniforms. Germans loves to have orginal US solider uniform. They donated Germans before they left for America or Iraq.

Or maybe they are making a fake movie/picture and think that the make-up looks more "real" to people who are not military.

Can we trust internet pictures?

I know the difference between faked and real. The pictures, ckfarbes showed us is REAL but the reporter/jounalist from the newspaper or TV has to paint or add the mask to hide solider's faces because they are not allow to spread their real faces out to the world/internet.

What about this?
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IRAQ_SOLDIER?SITE=CATOR

Logically yes, it's FAKED BUT with ckfarbes's picture, I can tell that they are not faked because I know the difference.

.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Everyone in alldeaf, I acknowledge that photo is very disgusts. I am sorry that cause to be embrassed you about our US troop who did rape the foreign woman. This pictures are a real photo with undoubt in my mind. no questions nor argument.. here is simple: PROVE BY PHOTO!!.. thank you.. enjoy stay!!

Yes, I second that. I has no doubt when I saw your picture. I think it's better for me leave this thread alone before it goes hot because some of members refused to admit it and defend themselves for their country and think US soliders are angel.

 

[Reba]

I can't beleive that you claim what I know from the NEWS from the TV. Do you call the news from the TV is make up or what? The news on the TV has no reason to tell us the lies.

Hmmm...ask Dan Rather about that. He used false documents on TV news.
Ask the British tabloid that used the fake "news" photos from a porno website.
Ask the news sources that used the fake photo of the soldier doll.
Ask the California man who faked a beheading video that was shown on TV news.

The originally, they made hiddern camera to show us what they did to Iraq. Of course US soliders were arrest for this last year. Dont you know about that?

Some photos and videos ARE true. I am just saying don't believe EVERYTHING you see on TV or the web.

Dont forget that uniforum what they wear is USED

What does that prove?

 

[Reba]

It would risk my job if I show the picture to US soliders. No Way. I showed the picture to my US civilian co-worker.

So you did not get a real soldier's opinion?

Yeah, of course they know their limited what they can bring or not. Some of them do illegal.

What I am saying is, legal or illegal, they can only physically carry a certain amount of clothing. They have limited space and ability.

Maybe they use it illegal to hide themselves?

For what purpose? If they really wanted to "hide" in a Moslem country, wouldn't they wear a robe instead of jungle fatigues? I think the green uniform would actually make them stand out, not blend in.

Well, they do not hide their faces when they rape forigener woman without realized that hiddern camera or video around.
They (reporters/jounralist) are not allow to spread US solider's real face out to the world or internet. They has to paint or add the masks to hide their faces before spread them out like what they did to hide US solider's penis because what US soliders did is not belongs to porn.

If journalists blurred the penis in the photo, why didn't they use the same technique for disguising the faces? Why would journalists disguise the soldiers' faces but clearly show the "victim" woman's face? Usually the faces of rape victims are disguised, not the rapists. Journalists didn't bother to disguise soldiers faces in previous photos, and I have never seen them use "makeup" to hide their identities. They always blur or pixilate faces. That doesn't make logical sense.

Yes, it's correct but most like to have original soliders uniforms. Germans loves to have orginal US solider uniform. They donated Germans before they left for America or Iraq.

So, just because a man is wearing a uniform, doesn't mean that is an American soldier. Any man can wear the uniform. It proves nothing.

I know the difference between faked and real. The pictures, ckfarbes showed us is REAL but the reporter/jounalist from the newspaper or TV has to paint or add the mask to hide solider's faces because they are not allow to spread their real faces out to the world/internet.

Journalists show real faces of soldiers all the time.
They are not supposed to show the faces of rape victims.
They use a "blur" for the penis but "makeup" for the soldier faces?

 

[Cheri]

Reba and Harlymn,

Leave Liebling alone, She worked for the Army base for a very long time she knows what she is talking about.


http://www.jrotc.org/uniforms.htm

Journalists show real faces of soldiers all the time.
They are not supposed to show the faces of rape victims.
They use a "blur" for the penis but "makeup" for the soldier faces?

They do not want the rape victims to make an ID on the American Soliders of course they are being smart not to show their faces to save their buns. I don't think the Journalists would know who they are behind the mask.

 

[Reba]

Reba and Harlymn,

Leave Liebling alone, She worked for the Army base for a very long time she knows what she is talking about.

I am not attacking Liebling. She and I are debating points of logic. Nothing personal at all. I have full respect for Liebling.

I don't deny that she has a lot of experience in the military environment. I have some experience myself. I was on active duty for seven years, and in the reserves for 17 years. My hubby retired with 21 years active duty.

They do not want the rape victims to make an ID on the American Soliders of course they are being smart not to show their faces to save their buns. I don't think the Journalists would know who they are behind the mask.

Then why are they clearly showing the woman's face? All journalist ethics (and in some places the law) prohibit showing the face of a rape victim. Since when do journalists protect rapist's identity and not rape victims?

(BTW, in addition to military experience, I was also a journalist.)

 

[Cheri]

I am not attacking Liebling. She and I are debating points of logic. Nothing personal at all. I have full respect for Liebling.I don't deny that she has a lot of experience in the military environment.

I am seeing what Liebling is typing seems like she is upset with your attacking toward to her because you have doubts that she knows about American soliders wearing during the war.

Then why are they clearly showing the woman's face? All journalist ethics (and in some places the law) prohibit showing the face of a rape victim. Since when do journalists protect rapist's identity and not rape victims?

How do you know that it was the Journalists idea about the mask? Maybe the Masks were putted on by the soldiers themselves. I think the Journalists showed the woman's face because she does look like she is from Iraq. Maybe that was just evidence for him to show, If they covered her face, They wouldn't know who the woman was and where she was from. Remember in Vietnam they said the same thing about American Soliders raped some women during Vietnam and did showed the women's faces.

 

[Reba]

How do you know that it was the Journalists idea about the mask? Maybe the Masks were putted on by the soldiers themselves.

Personally, I don't believe "journalists" put masks on the soldiers' faces. I think the men have makeup on their faces for dramatic effect. I was only responding to Liebling's suggestion that journalists put the masks on their faces.

I think the Journalists showed the woman's face because she does look like she is from Iraq. Maybe that was just evidence for him to show, If they covered her face, They wouldn't know who the woman was and where she was from.

Showing the victim's face is totally against publishing ethics. If her face needs to be shown as "proof" that is done at the police station, or in the lawyer's office, or in a courtroom. It is NOT shown on TV or the internet. Remember the stink that was raised when the identity of the Kobe Bryant accuser was shown? Besides, how does a woman's face "prove" what country they are in?

Remember in Vietnam they said the same thing about American Soliders raped some women during Vietnam and did showed the women's faces.

No, I don't remember news pictures of Vietnamese women's faces while they were raped. You were just a baby during the war, so I don't think you saw those photos at that time either.

 

[Cheri]

Showing the victim's face is totally against publishing ethics. If her face needs to be shown as "proof" that is done at the police station, or in the lawyer's office, or in a courtroom. It is NOT shown on TV or the internet. Remember the stink that was raised when the identity of the Kobe Bryant accuser was shown? Besides, how does a woman's face "prove" what country they are in?

I agree that it should be shown at the police station or in the Lawyer's office or in the courtroom but do you think the Police could be able to punished those American Soliders? Or do you think American people have the right to know what our Soliders are doing in the war? Knowing that they might rape some women there, It can make us angry and write to Bush and complain or complain through National TV.

No, I don't remember news pictures of Vietnamese women's faces while they were raped. You were just a baby during the war, so I don't think you saw those photos at that time either.

I know I was a baby at that time, But they did talked about Vietnam during my high school years and even some USA Soldiers from Vietnam war came and visit us at school when everyone "booed" at them. Yes there was photos about raped in Vietnam, How would I know about this like everyone else would know?

 

[Reba]

... Or do you think American people have the right to know what our Soliders are doing in the war? Knowing that they might rape some women there, It can make us angry and write to Bush and complain or complain through National TV.

How does showing the woman's face help that? It doesn't. All it does is embarress and endanger the woman. If she is a real rape victim, the press destroyed her life by showing her face. Is that helpful?

...some USA Soldiers from Vietnam war came and visit us at school when everyone "booed" at them.

Well, that was disgusting.

Yes there was photos about raped in Vietnam, How would I know about this like everyone else would know?

My point is, real press photos would not hide the soldiers' faces and show the victims' faces. I am not denying that rapes happened; I am saying that newspapers and TV did not show photos of rape victims' faces during the Vietnam war.

We are getting off topic.

My main point is, do not trust internet photos for proof. It is too easy to fake the photos. The photos I see in this thread look very suspicious. I see no proof in them. We have all seen many, many fake pictures on the internet, so you know how easy it is to make them.

 

[Cheri]

Reba,


Fine, Whatever.. So what should we do? Oh just let those Soliders rape anybody they want and never get justice for those victims. It makes me sick that they could go out and rape them because we are at war. It is just like war crimes, they think they can do whatever they pleased and get away with it. I don't think so. It's disgusting to me. The saddest thing of all is that not only do we fail to remember the past, some of us are no longer even trying to care about those rape victims, even if it keep repeating the same crimes as from the past to today. The fact is that Iraq war is just like the war in Vitenam, the rape, torture and the killing of prisoners.

 

[Reba]

Reba,
Fine, Whatever.. So what should we do? Oh just let those Soliders rape anybody they want and never get justice for those victims. ..

The soldiers who rape should be fully prosecuted. They are disgusting and need to be punished.

 

[Cheri]

The soldiers who rape should be fully prosecuted. They are disgusting and need to be punished.

We finally have something to agree on