How Old is the Earth?

[DeafVeggie]

I am sure you are aware of the story of Adam and Eve in the book of Genesis.

Yes, I do.

But, you still didn't answer to my original question to your posting. See #29.

I'll re-phrase again...

How do you know that there is NO people in outer space? If you would plan to say, "Because the Bible said so". Ok, show me a verse that it says so.

~DV

 

[netrox]

Andrew A. Snelling, Ph.D. is a well known CREATIONIST. It's no secret that many geologists are creationists.

This webpage nicely refutes Snelling's creationist arguments:

http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/snelling_flood_geology.htm

It shows how deceptive Snelling is and he takes advantage of inogrant people like you to believe in Creationism. It said: "Most of Snelling's articles in Creation Ex Nihilo (CEN) refer to Australian geological features or formations, many of them internationally famous. I have chosen three examples from more than 50 articles by Dr Andrew Snelling in Creation Ex Nihilo, to illustrate how he skilfully selects, edits and doctors his source materials to deceive his creationist readers, most of whom probably have little or no geological knowledge."

-jeff

 

[gnarlydorkette]

Potassium argon method?

I apologize if I give you some confusion regarding the dating...
You could use half-life-- I gave you the wrong element (carbon). But Potassium argon is limited in its usage: it is only used on volcanic rocks. You get the idea that there are MANY ways of determining age.

Because the half-life of carbon-14 is 5,700 years, it is only reliable for dating objects up to about 60,000 years old. However, the principle of carbon-14 dating applies to other isotopes as well. Potassium-40 is another radioactive element naturally found in your body and has a half-life of 1.3 billion years. Other useful radioisotopes for radioactive dating include Uranium -235 (half-life = 704 million years), Uranium -238 (half-life = 4.5 billion years), Thorium-232 (half-life = 14 billion years) and Rubidium-87 (half-life = 49 billion years).

look at the table below:

Parent Isotope Stable Daughter Product Accepted Half-life Values
Uranium-238 Lead-206 4.5 billion years
Uranium-235 Lead-207 704 million years
Thorium-232 Lead-208 14.0 billion years
Rubidium-87 Strontium-87 48.8 billion years
Potassium-40 Argon-40 1.25 billion years
Samarium-147 Neodymium-143 106 billion years

Equation used to calcuate the age:
t=1/delta ln(1 + D/P)

where:
t is the age of a rock or mineral specimen,
D is the number of atoms of a daughter product today,
P is the number of atoms of the parent product today,
ln s the natural logarithm (logarithm to base e), and
delta is the appropriate decay constant.

Again, the same information is found at USGS (U.S. Geological Survey) which states:
The ages of Earth and Moon rocks and of meteorites are measured by the decay of long-lived radioactive isotopes of elements that occur naturally in rocks and minerals and that decay with half lives of 700 million to more than 100 billion years to stable isotopes of other elements.
The reference about Greenland having the oldest rock:

"Among geologists, Greenland is a famous place for having various oldest rocks on earth, represented by sedimentary rock. Amongst others, the fact that rocks of 3.8 billion years ago exist in a place called Isua is quite famous."
Found here
Although it have been found the oldest rock, oldest mineral, et cetera in other countries like: Northwestern Canada, Minnestoa, Michigan, Swaziland and Australia.


It is hard to find a website that explains radiometric dating methods without "CHRISTIAN" in the title.
Give me time as I burrow around for my Geology textbook and find that page in a certain chapter-- that if you still defy the facts.

FACT SAYS 4.6 billion years old... BIBLE SAYS: 6,006 years or 4,004 years.
Let's rest on it-- let people choose the Bible or the Fact.

[EDIT:
Finally I found my information that I learned from a class... here is the the webpage:
http://anthro.palomar.edu/time/time_5.htm]

 

[Codger]

Deafvegie Quote: "Ok, I'll study the whole chapter tonight. "

Nah, that's too much trouble. here:

Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.

16Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.

17He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

18His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.

19He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.

20Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.

21He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.

22The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.

23Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.

24He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.

Of course, there is always chapter 41.

Job 41
1Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?

2Canst thou put an hook into his nose? or bore his jaw through with a thorn?

3Will he make many supplications unto thee? will he speak soft words unto thee?

4Will he make a covenant with thee? wilt thou take him for a servant for ever?

5Wilt thou play with him as with a bird? or wilt thou bind him for thy maidens?

6Shall the companions make a banquet of him? shall they part him among the merchants?

7Canst thou fill his skin with barbed irons? or his head with fish spears?

8Lay thine hand upon him, remember the battle, do no more.

9Behold, the hope of him is in vain: shall not one be cast down even at the sight of him?

10None is so fierce that dare stir him up: who then is able to stand before me?

11Who hath prevented me, that I should repay him? whatsoever is under the whole heaven is mine.

12I will not conceal his parts, nor his power, nor his comely proportion.

13Who can discover the face of his garment? or who can come to him with his double bridle?

14Who can open the doors of his face? his teeth are terrible round about.

15His scales are his pride, shut up together as with a close seal.

16One is so near to another, that no air can come between them.

17They are joined one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be sundered.

18By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning.

19Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out.

20Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron.

21His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.

22In his neck remaineth strength, and sorrow is turned into joy before him.

23The flakes of his flesh are joined together: they are firm in themselves; they cannot be moved.

24His heart is as firm as a stone; yea, as hard as a piece of the nether millstone.

25When he raiseth up himself, the mighty are afraid: by reason of breakings they purify themselves.

26The sword of him that layeth at him cannot hold: the spear, the dart, nor the habergeon.

27He esteemeth iron as straw, and brass as rotten wood.

28The arrow cannot make him flee: slingstones are turned with him into stubble.

29Darts are counted as stubble: he laugheth at the shaking of a spear.

30Sharp stones are under him: he spreadeth sharp pointed things upon the mire.

31He maketh the deep to boil like a pot: he maketh the sea like a pot of ointment.

32He maketh a path to shine after him; one would think the deep to be hoary.

33Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear.

34He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.

I love the book of Job. There are some good lessons there.

 

[Askjo]

Yes, I do.

But, you still didn't answer to my original question to your posting. See #29.

I'll re-phrase again...

How do you know that there is NO people in outer space? If you would plan to say, "Because the Bible said so". Ok, show me a verse that it says so.

~DV

Did YOU read the book of Genesis? Did it say that?

 

[Codger]

It is hard to find a website that explains radiometric dating methods without "CHRISTIAN" in the title.

Ahhh. I see. That automatically disqualifies anything from review and consideration? I have found quite a few "truth" ages of the earth. Even the scientists don't agree. they vary by several billion years. What's a few billion years anyway. As long as it is "truth".

 

[DeafVeggie]

Deafvegie Quote: "Ok, I'll study the whole chapter tonight. "

Nah, that's too much trouble. here:

Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
<snip>


I love the book of Job. There are some good lessons there.

Ok, please help me to understand that the above Job chapters 40 & 41 do mentioned about the dinosaurs.

Is it?

All I was reading to learn that those were just ordinary animals like we have now.

~DV

 

[DeafVeggie]

Did YOU read the book of Genesis? Did it say that?

Yes, I read the Book of Genesis.

No, it did not say anything about NO people in outer space.

Am I right?

~DV

 

[netrox]

Well, I don't care if a scientist is a "Christian" as long as he does not have the creationist mindset. Most Christian scientists I know don't believe in creationism and does not take the Bible literally. Creationists have NO scientific evidence whatsoever to prove that creation occurred 10,000 years ago therefore they have NO say.

Creationists always look for flaws in scientific theories and tear them down if the theories threaten their religious beliefs. If the new theories dont threaten their religious beliefs, they would be happy to defend them. That's their mentality which I absolutely detest. So far, they have failed to bring evolution theory down. The evidence for evolution is so overwhelming, it's hilarious that creationists try so hard to find a flaw thinking that one flaw would bring down the whole evolution theory!

-jeff

 

[Reba]

Well, I don't care if a scientist is a "Christian" as long as he does not have the creationist mindset.

Glad to see you are open minded.

Creationists have NO scientific evidence whatsoever to prove that creation occurred 10,000 years ago therefore they have NO say.

Actually, they do, but you have already closed your mind to the evidence.

 

[Askjo]

Yes, I read the Book of Genesis.

A good boy!

No, it did not say anything about NO people in outer space

A good boy!

 

[Reba]

It's simple - I don't want to believe in a fairy tale. Would you?

No I would not. That is why I believe the Bible and not evolution.

....don't impose your beliefs on us.

Funny, I would say that about evolution. Evolution and old earth theories are imposed on public school kids every day.

 

[Askjo]

No I would not. That is why I believe the Bible and not evolution.

PTL!!!!

 

[Reba]

How the hell do you explain the dinosaurs?

Creationism doesn't deny dinosaurs. I'm not sure what you mean by "explain" the dinosaurs.

If you don't believe in the Panega/Supercontienent, then how do you account for those fossils that are same shape, same animals etc in South America AND Africa.

The worldwide flood of Noah can easily account for the fossils.

... to reach the desert climate in Africa, it took a BILLION year. Africa was once a forest, vast forest. No way everything occurs at 7,000 years old.

God put the stars in the sky. He created gravity. He assembled the DNA of every living thing. Making a desert climate was just as easy for Him.

It took EONS for the Himaylaya Mountains to be THAT tall. India was once an island but it slided slowly to the mainland and crash into Tibet (convergent boundary)... which explained the current landscape of sharp, edgy, tallest mountain range in the world.

God made the mountains in a day. He made them tall, craggy and sharp. They were part of His design.

CLIMATE, TEMPERATURE, AND TIME change the landscape.

Change, yes. Create from nothing, no. That requires God.

California will be part of Alaska in hundreds of thousand years later. (500,000-ish yrs later).

How do we know that this earth will still exist then? God might have different plans for the future.

Study your geology!

Been doing that for years.

....(I just googled it up and it said 4,004 on many websites... I strongly disagree. I passed my anthropology and philosophy class which do cover this fact and I KNOW it is 6,006 yrs) *found a website said 6,000.. but still it is 6,006!)

I googled the figures and didn't see any that said the earth was only 4,004 years old. I did find some that set the beginning of the earth at 4004 BC, which added to AD 2005 would equal 6,009 years.

... we have found a rock that is approximate 4.3 billion years old in Greenland, thus the Earth must be roughly 4.6 to 4.3 billion years old.

Or it could prove that there is one very old rock sitting on a very young planet.
Actually, God created every substance with whatever aged appearance He wanted, and with whatever radiological age He wanted.

 

[Askjo]

The worldwide flood of Noah can easily account for the fossils.

Correct. That is how.

 

[Cheri]

God put the stars in the sky. He created gravity. He assembled the DNA of every living thing. Making a desert climate was just as easy for Him.

So, God put the stars in the sky as well the sun, the moon the solar system. How many years is that? Sure not 7,000. So where did the earth came from? Out of space right? Again sure not 7,000 years.

 

[DeafVeggie]

Yes, I read the Book of Genesis.

A good boy!

No, it did not say anything about NO people in outer space

A good boy!

I see...

Are you telling me that if any scripture verses did not say anything means nothing or did not happens or non-existence, right?

~DV

 

[netrox]

Even the so-called "experts" of evolution can't agree with each other. If it were that simple to measure scientifically, then how come the scientists don't even agree? Much of what they do is "guessing", not knowing as facts.

Experts disagree on mechnisms but none of them dismiss evolution.

There is NO evidence for WORLDWIDE flood even though we have many myths making similiar flood stories. If scientists find evidence and is met with peers, then they will conclude there was a worldwide flood but they don't.

God put the stars in the sky. He created gravity. He assembled the DNA of every living thing. Making a desert climate was just as easy for Him.

Then why do we have so much baggage in our DNA going all the way back to our ancient ancestors? If God created us 7000 years ago, our DNA would be VERY short! Mountains, deserts, gardens are not creation of God but a natural process of Nature. Deserts become tropical, forests dry up, mountains get bigger or smaller, earthquakes change the continents, and so forth. It's clearly that God may not be part of the whole process. In fact, there's no evidence of God's creation considering how so many things turn out SO badly!

Change, yes. Create from nothing, no. That requires God.

Then who created God? Quantum mechnics prove that it is clearly possible for particles to appear out of nothing. How is that possible? Atoms are made of smaller SPINNING particles. The spinning particles are very tiny.. millions of times smaller and they spin around so fast that they create an illusion of a solid atom. It's like a spinning fan - if it spins so fast, it becomes more "solid" to us. Now, if the spinning particles stop spinning, we all disappear into nothing. Literally NOTHING! The universe is made of nothing but energy but things look solid because we observe them.

-jeff

 

[Reba]

So, God put the stars in the sky as well the sun, the moon the solar system. How many years is that? Sure not 7,000. So where did the earth came from? Out of space right? Again sure not 7,000 years.

God created the entire universe, including all the stars, planets, and moons, and all living creatures, including man, within six days. Creation time did not require 7,000 years. The 7,000 years refer to the approximate time since the six days of Creation happened.

The earth came from nothing. God created it.

 

[Maria]

The earth came from nothing. God created it.

Right. It came out of God's Mouth since He is "Life".
Remember, Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life ?"