How can you say I am not who I say I am without knowing me?

[Jiro]

Grudge against one. Dislike of the other.

what do you suppose how did that happen in the first place?

I don't remember when you first called me RD.

it was me.

I will agree that it is rude. I should also say i don't know how else I could/would have put that. It still doesn't mean that a handicapped or blind person isn't missing out.

then don't say it at all. I mean... this repetitive "no offense but..." comment is just plain damn silly. it's best not to say it at all than to cop out with "no offense but..." unless you have a good reason such as.... cultural difference but that wasn't a case in here. You came in and said - "I really feel sorry for you even though you probably don't want me to. but ya'll are missing quite a lot."

I may have brought up ASL. But I also said that I wasn't interested in learning it, primarily because I am getting a CI, secondly because it would mean I have to choose a whole different career.

Just because you learn ASL doesn't mean you have to change your career based on it. It doesn't affect anything except to expand your choice of communication method in case verbal communication is difficult. It is guaranteed that you will not be able to verbally communicate with other as effectively as before you went deaf. There's nothing wrong with learning ASL and knowing it. You are free to choose either method of communication depending on situation. That, my friend, is a greater flexibility and option for an oral deaf person (you and me).

http://www.alldeaf.com/sign-language-oralism/73941-talking-deafie.html

 

[zebadee2010]

Hmm, after reading a few of the responses in this thread and getting the gist of the little soiree you've been having, I'd suggest you take a seat and have a cup of STFU before you post some thread where you want to hug and make up. Read more before you comment on subjects of which you have no experience, and don't act all hurt that people have responded to you the way they have. YOU DESERVE IT.

Sorry but I only drink Apple Juice. Most things I know more than enough about for everyday knowledge. Sure I may have offended quite a few over the ASL charade, but thats they way I personally feel. I'm not going to come in here and pretend I love ASL, if I don't. But i'll try not to bash it anymore.

"Hothead" I'll remember that when I think of you!

 

[posts from hell]

*bites lips*

 

[Jiro]

If you were newly deafened, just starting college, would you not act the same way?

EDIT: I am still a noob to the whole deaf thing. Might be why I only have ideas of ASL and why I don't know about them.

now you see that age does matter? Like wine... maturity grows with age.

“Age is a very high price to pay for maturity.” -Tom Stoppard

 

[Jiro]

Sorry but I only drink Apple Juice. Most things I know more than enough about for everyday knowledge. Sure I may have offended quite a few over the ASL charade, but thats they way I personally feel. I'm not going to come in here and pretend I love ASL, if I don't. But i'll try not to bash it anymore.

"Hothead" I'll remember that when I think of you!

that's not what you did. You came in here and insulted us. Mind you - it wasn't "a few of us".... more like nearly entire deaf community.

no offense but you're still a boy to me. You remind me of myself when I was what? 10 years old who thinks he is 18 years old

 

[TWA]

Sorry but I only drink Apple Juice. Most things I know more than enough about for everyday knowledge. Sure I may have offended quite a few over the ASL charade, but thats they way I personally feel. I'm not going to come in here and pretend I love ASL, if I don't. But i'll try not to bash it anymore.

"Hothead" I'll remember that when I think of you!

Say what you will, but do what you say. Anyone who catches flack from me usually did something to receive it, and everybody here knows it.

 

[Deaffy]

now you see that age does matter? Like wine... maturity grows with age.

“Age is a very high price to pay for maturity.” -Tom Stoppard

I personally believe age is just a number. A person can be older but not exactly wiser. Experience plays a huge role in maturity.

 

[zebadee2010]

Just because you learn ASL doesn't mean you have to change your career based on it. It doesn't affect anything except to expand your choice of communication method in case verbal communication is difficult. It is guaranteed that you will not be able to verbally communicate with other as effectively as before you went deaf. There's nothing wrong with learning ASL and knowing it. You are free to choose either method of communication depending on situation. That, my friend, is a greater flexibility and option for an oral deaf person (you and me).

Well, I don't remember what I said in regards to ASL and me learning it. But I didn't mean that I would never learn it. But I did mean that I aren't/wasn't considering it at the time. I was thinking Ci, i'll be set with communication. The idea was all still new to me. I now know that there are sometimes difficulties it crowded settings and such. I may learn it one day, but to me its way to many hand movements and none of the hand movements logically make sense in my head. That sometimes makes it more difficult to learn. Same with Spanish and other forms of communication.

 

[posts from hell]

Well, I don't remember what I said in regards to ASL and me learning it. But I didn't mean that I would never learn it. But I did mean that I aren't/wasn't considering it at the time. I was thinking Ci, i'll be set with communication. The idea was all still new to me. I now know that there are sometimes difficulties it crowded settings and such. I may learn it one day, but to me its way to many hand movements and none of the hand movements logically make sense in my head. That sometimes makes it more difficult to learn. Same with Spanish and other forms of communication.

Perhaps you will never learn ASL, but once you get that 'aha'... you'll wish you never said these things.

 

[zebadee2010]

now you see that age does matter? Like wine... maturity grows with age.

“Age is a very high price to pay for maturity.” -Tom Stoppard

How does saying that I'm still a noob to being deaf having anything to do with me being mature.

I could say that since you never learned to ride a bike, you're immature. Or You can't swim, you're immature. The list can go on and on of things that I may know little or much about. That doesn't mean i'm immature, that simply means i'm un-intelligent in that field.

 

[Jiro]

I personally believe age is just a number. A person can be older but not exactly wiser. Experience plays a huge role in maturity.

on most cases.... not really.

Whenever I hear that kind of comment - I tend to think that one does not like to listen to elders and prefer to find out for oneself. Humans... such a predictable creature... we repeat mistakes for generations.

 

[Deaffy]

Well, I don't remember what I said in regards to ASL and me learning it. But I didn't mean that I would never learn it. But I did mean that I aren't/wasn't considering it at the time. I was thinking Ci, i'll be set with communication. The idea was all still new to me. I now know that there are sometimes difficulties it crowded settings and such. I may learn it one day, but to me its way to many hand movements and none of the hand movements logically make sense in my head. That sometimes makes it more difficult to learn. Same with Spanish and other forms of communication.

Zee,

I do enjoy my CI it is quite a wonderful device. I am not trying to argue with you at all. But us CI user's do need to keep in mind that these device's can fail over time. Just like how your natural hearing failed. If that happen's and do need to have re-implantation it does not mean that you will exactly receive the same benefit you did before. They may not be able to insert the electrodes the same as the previous implant. This is where I believe learning a different mode of communication would be benefical to you. I am not telling you to go learn ASL or any other form of sign for that matter. But it sure wouldn't hurt to try. I tried learning ASL once it was difficult for me because I lived 2+ hours away from the deaf community and working 60+ hours a week made it hard for me to keep up with my skill's. Now that I have a young nephew that is HOH and very likely will end up deaf. I am attempting to learn sign right alongside of him. If anything I will be able to communicate with my nephew in the event my CI or his hearing completely fail's!

 

[shel90]

uhhh ok

 

[Deaffy]

uhhh ok

Care to elaborate?

 

[zebadee2010]

Zee,

I do enjoy my CI it is quite a wonderful device. I am not trying to argue with you at all. But us CI user's do need to keep in mind that these device's can fail over time. Just like how your natural hearing failed. If that happen's and do need to have re-implantation it does not mean that you will exactly receive the same benefit you did before. They may not be able to insert the electrodes the same as the previous implant. This is where I believe learning a different mode of communication would be benefical to you. I am not telling you to go learn ASL or any other form of sign for that matter. But it sure wouldn't hurt to try. I tried learning ASL once it was difficult for me because I lived 2+ hours away from the deaf community and working 60+ hours a week made it hard for me to keep up with my skill's. Now that I have a young nephew that is HOH and very likely will end up deaf. I am attempting to learn sign right alongside of him. If anything I will be able to communicate with my nephew in the event my CI or his hearing completely fail's!

Lucky for me my hearing loss wasn't genetic, so chances are slim that i'd have a deaf child. If my implant does fail I guess for that short term I would probably end up communicating like I am now. Pen and Paper or reading lips.
If the CI fails and re-implantation isn't as successful I may have a problem. but only if I can't understand speech. If I do decide to learn ASL, it would take me a few years. And may become difficult to remember. I only know of two people who know ASL in my county. One is a teacher and the other is an older guy who learned it for the heck of it.

 

[posts from hell]

Care to elaborate?

I think its the whole thing, not you.

 

[shel90]

I think its the whole thing, not you.

Yep

 

[Deaffy]

Gotcha... Just the statement itself wasn't very informative!

 

[TWA]

How does saying that I'm still a noob to being deaf having anything to do with me being mature.

I could say that since you never learned to ride a bike, you're immature. Or You can't swim, you're immature. The list can go on and on of things that I may know little or much about. That doesn't mean i'm immature, that simply means i'm un-intelligent in that field.

Faulty analogy. You're talking about very different things. Learning about Deafness or ASL is not like acquiring an individual skill. It is a way of life that grants you a unique perspective to view the world and your self, to help reinforce your own identity of your self. That perspective can certainly help someone mature, but it isn't a guarantee.

 

[posts from hell]

Lucky for me my hearing loss wasn't genetic, so chances are slim that i'd have a deaf child. If my implant does fail I guess for that short term I would probably end up communicating like I am now. Pen and Paper or reading lips.
If the CI fails and re-implantation isn't as successful I may have a problem. but only if I can't understand speech. If I do decide to learn ASL, it would take me a few years. And may become difficult to remember. I only know of two people who know ASL in my county. One is a teacher and the other is an older guy who learned it for the heck of it.

Thats what YOU know. The difference is.. I can find about 30ish ASL Deafies in your county if I was there and put in some effort.

Then... Countless more in Charlotte