Health care proposal mandates coverage, drops public option

[darkdog]

Basing your support/non-support on how it will affect you, as an individual, is hardly equal, in scope, to deciding support/non-support from the perspective of how it will affect the rest of society as a whole. One narrows the persective to the individual, one widens the perspective to see the individual as a part of the greater whole. Depends on your value system, I suppose.

Then allow me to clarify. I was not talking about the effects on oneself or a single individual. Rather, I was talking about systemic effects. Hence, my talk about the effects on the system.

 

[jillio]

Then allow me to clarify. I was not talking about the effects on oneself or a single individual. Rather, I was talking about systemic effects. Hence, my talk about the effects on the system.

Then you will need to include a healthy dose of how systemic effects the whole, rather than how systemic effects the individual.

 

[Foxrac]

Medicaid is for anyone who have LOW incomes/resource and work too little or never. They tend to get SSI if they happen to be disability then medicaid. Medicare for anyone who have worked for years and get either SSDI or retirement at age 65. FOr SSI people have little $$ SSI and little $ retirement then they can have both medicaid and medicare. Medicaid,Medicare and food stmaps are under the other dept, not Social Security Adm. SSA only helps claimants to fill out for medicare, medicaid and food stamps. SO medicare medicaid and food stamps are belonging the dept that are more like of "low income dept". Every states have their own names for that dept. 8 section housing has their own state's depts and more.

Hearing people can qualify for medicaid but they have make less than $1,050 per month (gross income) to be qualify for medicaid, it's depends on expense has spent like gas, rent, etc, at least for our state but every states has different income requirement like $1,350 in other state.

 

[Frisky Feline]

Hearing people can qualify for medicaid but they have make less than $1,050 per month (gross income) to be qualify for medicaid, it's depends on expense has spent like gas, rent, etc, at least for our state but every states has different income requirement like $1,350 in other state.

Oh, thanks. medicaid is not under social security adm. medicaid and medicare are under the "low income dept" in each states. I am not familiar with those medicaid and medicare dept what their rules are.

 

[jillio]

Oh, thanks. medicaid is not under social security adm. medicaid and medicare are under the "low income dept" in each states. I am not familiar with those medicaid and medicare.

Yes. They fall under the state's regulation under Jobs and Family Services.

 

[Frisky Feline]

Yes. They fall under the state's regulation under Jobs and Family Services.

Oh i learn something about it. I need to look it up about those programs. I thought there are different program to get a health insurancce under the job and familys service.

 

[darkdog]

Then you will need to include a healthy dose of how systemic effects the whole, rather than how systemic effects the individual.

Systemic is an adjective meaning "affecting the body generally". When I talk about how something affects a system, it goes without saying that I'm talking about the whole, not the individual. Or at least it should.

 

[darkdog]

As long as loyal Fox news viewers pay the entire tab, I LOVE it. More free moolah for me, right out of their vacation funds!

This is why I'm not a leftist. My grandparents were pretty typical of what we consider "the rich". My grandma was a school teacher and my grandpa was a chemist. They worked hard through the decades, advanced in their careers, spent frugally, saved a portion of their income, and invested wisely so by the time they got old, they earned enough money to join the ranks of the rich. For that, the left derides them as greedy and tries to use the coercive power of government to take my grandparents' money and use it for their own purposes. Who's actually greedy?

 

[saywhatkid]

This is why I'm not a leftist. My grandparents were pretty typical of what we consider "the rich". My grandma was a school teacher and my grandpa was a chemist. They worked hard through the decades, advanced in their careers, spent frugally, saved a portion of their income, and invested wisely so by the time they got old, they earned enough money to join the ranks of the rich. For that, the left derides them as greedy and tries to use the coercive power of government to take my grandparents' money and use it for their own purposes. Who's actually greedy?

Sorry to tell you this, because I have no doubt you gave a lot of thought into your response. I was being extremely sarcastic. Note my signature and couple it with my reply. I actually detest my lack of a job.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

1. Please for the love of god... you need to get this out of your head - majority of people are NOT losing their homes to medical bill.

Read this:

Only in America: Medical Bankruptcy & Homelessness - PNHP's Official Blog

Medical bills prompt more than 60 percent of U.S. bankruptcies - CNN.com


people lost their home to medical bill in america - Google Search

No wonder you keep thinking Obama's reform is the only solution :roll:

Oh yes, Obama´s reform is the BEST solution because you still won´t lost healthcare coverage when you are out of work and unfit to work due long illness, etc. You won´t see medical bill in your home or you won´t stress with your healthcare insurance company, etc.

2. You don't have waiting list because you do not have the size and population of America.

Wrong!

How does the NHS compare to US healthcare? | News | guardian.co.uk

Check the list of country´s healthcare... then you can see Germany and US on that list.

Germany have more doctors that´s why we don´t have waiting list.

Plus - you do not have millions of illegal immigrants to deal with. We're paying for it, you know that?

Yes, we do have illegal immigrants here in Germany. It´s illegal to employ illegal immigrants until they are legal migrants with restriction expire date. They living hide everywhere... and get support from their relative or friends... They got caught when they got an accident and go hospitail because they don´t have healthcard. After their treatment, they are being deport back to their country. Oh yes, we pay for their treatment and deportation.

3. increasing the tax is not a solution. You can increase all the tax you want but the problem will be same. We are not made of money. We do not make big money for a long time. Believe me - if you live here long enough, you will understand our problem

Really?

Can you please tell me which is cheaper - Paying for premium OR a few increase taxes for healthcare coverage?

 

[Foxrac]

Oh, thanks. medicaid is not under social security adm. medicaid and medicare are under the "low income dept" in each states. I am not familiar with those medicaid and medicare dept what their rules are.

I know that, medicaid get funds from state but medicare get funds from federal, I believe so.

 

[darkdog]

Sorry to tell you this, because I have no doubt you gave a lot of thought into your response. I was being extremely sarcastic. Note my signature and couple it with my reply. I actually detest my lack of a job.

Sorry, dude. I guess my sarcasm detector is malfunctioning. It is one of my common complaints about the left though. Glad we're on the same side on this one.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Well, some Americans are happy with their health care like Jiro is one of them and there's other Americans are unhappy with health care like Jillio is one of them so they are fighting over health care issue, especially Obama sponsored health care reform and affordable private insurance to everyone, backed by republican, it means federal will pay some of them.

If they are happy then is good for them but the problem is what they do if they are out of job?

I support health care reform, including need change the medicare/medicaid laws, I want affordable private insurance, some paid by federal, ban on pre-existing condition, remove the caps and affordable price for drugs. For medicaid and medicare, it should expands to see more doctors, including dermatologist for skin problem, such as acne, rashes, remove the mole (it could associate with cancers) and remove the limit on anti-rejection drugs for organ transplant patients.

I'm strong support of affordable dedicated insurance, it means you don't need worry about lose the insurance after you quit, get fired or laid off.

Yes, I am with you on this.

My son went to dermatologist twice a week to have acne treatment on his forehead and back. We went there for skin cancer check-up.
My healthcare cover 100% .

 

[Frisky Feline]

I know that, medicaid get funds from state but medicare get funds from federal, I believe so.

yea thank you for smacking me up after i had a narrow minded on something else. Now i see the clear picture that the job and familys service can get medicaid only if they make so low incomes. Thanks foxrac. :Oops: and thanks jillo too.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Majority of middle class families does have health insurance, mostly from job.

Many employees receive restricted coverage from their employers.

Many employers cannot afford to buy coverage due high premuime.

Yes, some employees are lucky to have generous healthcare coverage from their good employer BUT.... what employees do if they are on pension or out of work?... The generous healthcare, they received from their employers is not same as medicare when they are on pension.

And accord Obama´s speech last week, 14,000 people lost their healthcare coverage a day. I check Politifact on this... MOST TRUE.

Have you read Netrox´s link?


And other link


NCHC | Facts About Healthcare - Health Insurance Costs

 

[Jiro]

If they are happy then is good for them but the problem is what they do if they are out of job?

we can apply for unemployment benefit, Medicaid, SSI, SSDI, and some other stuff I don't remember

have you seen our union members who are retired or out of jobs? they are well-compensated

 

[Liebling:-)))]

and you too (but not me cuz I've already done my homework)

I feel sorry for you.

and so do we. That's why some Canadians came to America.

They have money.

You know what's funny? Fidel Castro didn't even use his own country's surgeon for his intestinal operation!!

Fidel Castro is not only one who went other country to have his surgery done.

Some politicians went other country to have their surgery done than trust their own country.

Cuban's "universal health care" = EPIC FAIL!

Some Americans went Cuba and Mexico to have their medical treatment, too. They are happy.

what about it? NHS is not German healthcare. strange that you're using it to back your case in this post. :scratch:

It´s not my responsible that you don´t want to see it.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

we can apply for unemployment benefit, Medicaid, SSI, SSDI, and some other stuff I don't remember

have you seen our union members who are retired or out of jobs? they are well-compensated

Of course it´s easy for you to get SSI or SSDI due disablitiy. :roll:

How long you will get unemployment benefit? Would you afford to pay extra for your health with that unemployment benefit? After that, then what?

Many Americans, I know told me that it´s not easy to apply for medicaid and medicare.

One penisoned American applied for medicare but it takes her long waiting... then she fall in ill... She face a huge bill because she haven´t get medicare´s approval yet.

Other pensioned American are not happy with medicare because he was living on generous healthcare coverage from his employer for years which is not same as medicare. He have to pay little extra out of his pocket to have coverage. He struggled with his life...

 

[Jiro]

I feel sorry for you.

They have money.

if they have money - why not have it done in Canada?

Fidel Castro is not only one who went other country to have his surgery done.

Some politicians went other country to have their surgery done than trust their own country.

exactly!!! you kept bragging that these countries' health care are lovely! and yet..... Castro and politicians don't even use their own countries' health care! LOL!!

Some Americans went Cuba and Mexico to have their medical treatment, too. They are happy.

where you getting that info from? Sicko? and some hokey pokey "natural" cancer treatment for Daniel Hauser? :roll:

It´s not my responsible that you don´t want to see it.

ok

 

[Jiro]

Of course it´s easy for you to get SSI or SSDI due disablitiy. :roll:

How long you will get unemployment benefit? Would you afford to pay extra for your health with that unemployment benefit? After that, then what?

Many Americans, I know told me that it´s not easy to apply for medicaid and medicare.

One penisoned American applied for medicare but it takes her long waiting... then she fall in ill... She face a huge bill because she haven´t get medicare´s approval yet.

Other pensioned American are not happy with medicare because he was living on generous healthcare coverage from his employer for years which is not same as medicare. He have to pay little extra out of his pocket to have coverage. He struggled with his life...

again - I've listed several other ways to get benefits. We're beating around the bush.