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Foxrac said:
It will cost a lot to have special election for vice president so that's not going happen, also our election use electoral college that is very complicated.

I prefer popular vote all way, but no way to change the US Constitution.
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I may regret asking this but out of curiosity, why do you prefer popular vote verses electoral college voting?

Don't you think the framers had a reason for doing it this way?

Electoral college is not all that complicated. It actually makes sense when you factor in everything and actually protect our country.
 
Secretblend said:
I may regret asking this but out of curiosity, why do you prefer popular vote verses electoral college voting?

Don't you think the framers had a reason for doing it this way?

Electoral college is not all that complicated. It actually makes sense when you factor in everything and actually protect our country.
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I believe that vote should be based on count of people voted for, not per state that where they give electoral vote.

Electoral college isn't make sense at all and they let president to win most of electoral vote over majority of popular vote.

Electoral college isn't protect our country and it doesn't have any benefit, beside protect states with smaller population.

Also, in some states, electoral college can be rigged to give electoral vote based on congressional districts - most of them are gerrymandered by partisan in state legislature.
 
Foxrac said:
I believe that vote should be based on count of people voted for, not per state that where they give electoral vote.

Electoral college isn't make sense at all and they let president to win most of electoral vote over majority of popular vote.

Electoral college isn't protect our country and it doesn't have any benefit, beside protect states with smaller population.

Also, in some states, electoral college can be rigged to give electoral vote based on congressional districts - most of them are gerrymandered by partisan in state legislature.
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That is the reason why!!

They wanted states to have the power, not the federal government. Today the federal government is usurping power from states and that is against the design of our framers.

The electoral is to protect and give voice to smaller group of people that otherwise wouldn't have if we had popular voting.

It worked great (of course not perfectly but what is ever perfect?) for 200 years till recently when federal government started getting more power over states in recent times.
 
Secretblend said:
That is the reason why!!

They wanted states to have the power, not the federal government. Today the federal government is usurping power from states and that is against the design of our framers.

The electoral is to protect and give voice to smaller group of people that otherwise wouldn't have if we had straight voting.

It worked great for 200 years till recently when federal government started getting more power over states in recent times.
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I see differently - federal government trumps state if they opt to enforce federal law and regulation that are more stricter than state level. The states have power to not enforce the federal law and regulation, but they will lose percents of federal funding like Texas and other states did. See an example about Medicare Expansion - Alabama and Texas opt out of expansion without penalty due to court order.

The federal government has running same power for many years and I don't see federal government as most powerful ever because states have power to opt out with range from small to no penalty. Alabama ignored some of federal government's demand for years and that's not new to us.

State governors are elected via popular vote (direct democracy) so that's not happen to US president, that's not make any sense. The federal house of representative and senators are from states to serve for federal government.

For example, how you feel if Hillary Clinton got most electoral vote to win for presidency since Ben Carson got most of popular vote so he lost the election for electoral purpose. I felt that our representatives aren't fair and most of districts are drawn by gerrymandering that favor DEM or GOP depending on district.

I personally don't believe that people are deserved to have a president that won the electoral vote from botched redrawn of congressional district. That's sounds like representative based dictator to me.
 
Secretblend said:
Of course we were not supposed to have parties either. It was supposed to be based on individuals, not parties but sadly, parties started very soon after birth of our country.
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Sure, I lost passionate about federal representatives and they are doing nothing to represent our interest, but I still vote as always and refuse to give up.

Most people turned issues from federal to state now because the congress cannot pass anything to fix, especially immigration that where states decide to take action now rather than late. Same goes with cities and counties if state fail to act.

Most people here told me that local is best (FTW) over county and state so that why they prefer to have own a city.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
I knew this why the president and vice president don't fly on the same plane. Would there be special election to vote another vice president if something like that did happen?
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No. The President would appoint a VP.

Do you remember President Nixon? His original VP was Spiro Agnew. Agnew resigned (in disgrace). Nixon then appointed Gerald Ford to be his VP. Then, a little while after that, Nixon resigned, so Ford became President. That meant, Ford was an unelected President!

US Constitution
Amendment 25
Section 2.
Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
(ratified February 10, 1967)
 
Reba said:
No. The President would appoint a VP.

Do you remember President Nixon? His original VP was Spiro Agnew. Agnew resigned (in disgrace). Nixon then appointed Gerald Ford to be his VP. Then, a little while after that, Nixon resigned, so Ford became President. That meant, Ford was an unelected President!

US Constitution
Amendment 25
Section 2.
Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
(ratified February 10, 1967)
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Oh Yeah ! I remeber that now , my brain is getting rusty in my old age. :giggle:
 
The last time United States declared war goes back to Pearl Harbor in WWII the next few days Hitler declared war on U.S. in which returned the same.

Other kind of wars such as Korea, Vietnam were authorized by Congress.

caz said:
Explain this..the new president voted in in November but don't take office until next year..What if a war declared who has authority the sitting president or pending one.i asked before but no one was sure
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