Got HDTV?

[Fragmenter]

FYI, HD-DVD don't need HDMI input, just can using component video or other input to watch movies.

I'm not sure about BD but PS3 wouldn't included video input for HD.

HDMI Only HD-DVD Player.

In the future, I bet other manufacturers will follow suit.

 

[Foxrac]

HDMI Only HD-DVD Player.

In the future, I bet other manufacturers will follow suit.

Really? Xbox 360 HD-DVD add-on wouldn't included HDMI input, just ask sjones4dad.

I'm sure that around 90% Americans owns HDTV without HDMI/DVI input.

 

[Foxrac]

I do have HDTV LCD Dell 26 inches and have it for two years. It is 720p and 1080i. No HDMI.

I planned to buy Sony SXRD 60 inches 1080p with Dual HDMI. Let you know it is very expensive right now. Will wait for prices drop down. I played xbox 360 with Dell. It is really good. Make sure you look at your game, 720p or 1080i.

For example, PREY supports 420p/720p/1080i, look at back of game box.

Madden, Dead Rising, Dead or Alive, Prey supports all.

PGR only supports on 720p.

New games will support more on 720p and 1080i. 420p will be gone by end of year, reason that all standard televisions will be end of this year. Mostly will go on 720p to 1080p.

HD-DVD is best bet to buy than Blu-Ray. I have been researching on those. At first, I did want Blu-Ray, and found some negatives.

Mostly find more positive into HD-DVD.

Let you know.

Yea, I tried to play PGR 3 on standard tv and it was poor picture and hard to read text on main menu.

 

[Banjo]

I'm sure that around 90% Americans owns HDTV without HDMI/DVI input.

These people are pretty much screwed. From what I read, it's not worth getting one if you don't have a HDMI input. (Not even DVI, or a convertor will resolve the issue, it has to be a HDMI input).

If you don't, the video quality will be equal to the video output of a standard DVD player. They're doing it on purpose.

 

[DeAfLuCkYiRiSh]

These people are pretty much screwed. From what I read, it's not worth getting one if you don't have a HDMI input. (Not even DVI, or a convertor will resolve the issue, it has to be a HDMI input).

If you don't, the video quality will be equal to the video output of a standard DVD player. They're doing it on purpose.

Hey guys!

Really we dont need HDMI. Do you know HDMI had better quality for picture and SOUND.

Component will do good for you as better quality which is good for you guys who don't hear.

I love sound, but we can not hear that kind of quality. Hearing can hear the difference. We cant hear the difference. We can see difference on pictures.

Audio output as white and red still do fine for us.

 

[Banjo]

Hey guys!

Really we dont need HDMI. Do you know HDMI had better quality for picture and SOUND.

Component will do good for you as better quality which is good for you guys who don't hear.

I love sound, but we can not hear that kind of quality. Hearing can hear the difference. We cant hear the difference. We can see difference on pictures.

Audio output as white and red still do fine for us.

You're missing the point. It's a waste of money to buy a HD-DVD/Blu-Ray DVD player if you don't have HDMI, they will down-sample the video quality 4 times making it pretty much on par with the video quality of a standard DVD player. They are doing this on purpose, they claim it's a way of "protecting" their properties from pirates. Myself, I think it's a big mistake.

Even if you use component cables, it won't be much of a difference in comparison to a standard DVD player hooked up via component cables. If you want to watch movies in high definition, you need HDMI. Not even DVI, because like I said, they programmed the HD-DVD/Blu-Ray players to work that way.

I think it's wrong though.

 

[Foxrac]

These people are pretty much screwed. From what I read, it's not worth getting one if you don't have a HDMI input. (Not even DVI, or a convertor will resolve the issue, it has to be a HDMI input).

If you don't, the video quality will be equal to the video output of a standard DVD player. They're doing it on purpose.

Trust me, Watch HD-DVD without HDMI input is looks superior than DVD does but nothing new.

Just look at sjones4dad's post about audio but only big difference is sound and quality of picture looks little better than component or S-Video.

 

[Foxrac]

You're missing the point. It's a waste of money to buy a HD-DVD/Blu-Ray DVD player if you don't have HDMI, they will down-sample the video quality 4 times making it pretty much on par with the video quality of a standard DVD player. They are doing this on purpose, they claim it's a way of "protecting" their properties from pirates. Myself, I think it's a big mistake.

Even if you use component cables, it won't be much of a difference in comparison to a standard DVD player hooked up via component cables. If you want to watch movies in high definition, you need HDMI. Not even DVI, because like I said, they programmed the HD-DVD/Blu-Ray players to work that way.

I think it's wrong though.

Just let you know that Xbox 360 HD-DVD add-on wouldn't included HDMI input built-in.

 

[Banjo]

Trust me, Watch HD-DVD without HDMI input is looks superior than DVD does but nothing new.

Just look at sjones4dad's post about audio but only big difference is sound and quality of picture looks little better than component or S-Video.

If your HDTV does not have an HDMI port, or an HDCP-compliant DVI port, you won't be able to watch HD movies in high definition. Bad news for the 3 million people in the US who don't have digital HDTV's and will only be able to connect over analog (component) cables - your movies will be downsampled to 1/4 their resolution, making them essentially the same as a standard DVD. The studios are understandably scared of an open, high quality, digital video interface, so they are insisting that your TV supports digital encryption to fully enjoy its new movies. This helps them to sleep better at night, but realistically only the honest people will be inconvenienced. Someone will likely figure out a way around it, given enough time. Some studios have said they won't enable this restriction for their initial movie launches, but remember they can enable it at any time in the future

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Some has refused to do this, though it doesn't mean they will keep it this way. They can enable it anytime they wish to.

 

[Alex]

I have two widescreen HDTVs (Sharp/Sony), and even though both have HDMI inputs, only one uses a HDMI cable (Monster Cable). DVD player is LG LDA-511 w/ progressive scan.

 

[DefMATRIXense]

Yesterday, I bought a 24 inch Dell Ultrasharp widescreen LCD flat panel( model is 2407) for (cough) $255 dollars( cough) with an Alienware/Dell Employee discount. Tomorrow I am going to build a HDTV PC with the new stuffs that I bought, today.

Here are the things.
a Classic Alienware case (blue and purple mix)
Logitech MX 5000
Logitech 5450 digital 315watt 5.1 speaker system
a pair of ddr2 pc6400 1gb
wd 150gb 10k 16mb hdd
sony double layer dvd +- rw/r burner
Creative sound augly 4 7.1 pro
asus PNS32 SLI motherboard
XFX geforce 6800 256mb( im not a pc gamer)

That's all I have those now and Right now, I am checking some sites such as pricewatch or whatever for buying a HD tunrer for a pc.

The reason why I want a build a HDTV pc is because I want to view HD trailers from any sites. For example, Spiderman 3 HD trailer from Sony site. You know I want to watch that and might play 360 games in HD and widescreen format but not sure how does it work. VGA cable? whatever

 

[Fragmenter]

Let us know if you can play X360 on that monitor without lag. (in 1080p)

Thanks man!

 

[DefMATRIXense]

Let us know if you can play X360 on that monitor without lag. (in 1080p)

Thanks man!

I doubt it because all 360 games only support 720p but I would be wrong.

 

[Fragmenter]

I have two widescreen HDTVs (Sharp/Sony), and even though both have HDMI inputs, only one uses a HDMI cable (Monster Cable). DVD player is LG LDA-511 w/ progressive scan.

What are your HDTV's specifications? 720p or 1080i or 1080p capable?

And are you a gamer? If so, do you have X360 and how is the video lag on both of your HDTVs (when you have it turned on higher resolution, of course)?

I also read that HDTV's does better (not perfect like CRT monitors) when you switch to normal mode to game mode (my Samsung HDTV has normal, custom and movie mode). But I don't like how the game or movie modes makes the picture look more darker or duller.

 

[Fragmenter]

I doubt it because all 360 games only support 720p but I would be wrong.

All my X360 games are up to 1080i but I know they can do games in 1080p. They don't do it because not enough people have those kick ass televisions.

 

[DefMATRIXense]

What are your HDTV's specifications? 720p or 1080i or 1080p capable?

And are you a gamer? If so, do you have X360 and how is the video lag on both of your HDTVs (when you have it turned on higher resolution, of course)?

I also read that HDTV's does better (not perfect like CRT monitors) when you switch to normal mode to game mode (my Samsung HDTV has normal, custom and movie mode). But I don't like how the game or movie modes makes the picture look more darker or duller.

thats what I am going to find out because im planning to buy a HD tuner. I do have a HDTV cable for 360 and I think itself the game will switch from normal mode to HDTV mode. I heard people say that wrong resolution will be a lag game. must be the right resolution to be lagless game. dell monitor

EDIT: you were reffering to ALEX. lol I didnt see it.

check it out HDTV turner information for everyone.
HDTV PC Tuner Guide

 

[Foxrac]

thats what I am going to find out because im planning to buy a HD tuner. I do have a HDTV cable for 360 and I think itself the game will switch from normal mode to HDTV mode. I heard people say that wrong resolution will be a lag game. must be the right resolution to be lagless game. dell monitor

EDIT: you were reffering to ALEX. lol I didnt see it.

check it out HDTV turner information for everyone.
HDTV PC Tuner Guide

PGR 3 don't have lag problem when play on standard tv.

 

[Fragmenter]

thats what I am going to find out because im planning to buy a HD tuner. I do have a HDTV cable for 360 and I think itself the game will switch from normal mode to HDTV mode. I heard people say that wrong resolution will be a lag game. must be the right resolution to be lagless game. dell monitor

EDIT: you were reffering to ALEX. lol I didnt see it.

check it out HDTV turner information for everyone.
HDTV PC Tuner Guide

LOL that's OK. In your X360 guide menu (or whatever it is), go all the way to the last folder to the right and go to TV settings and turn on 720p (or 1080i) and change to widescreen. X360 won't change settings on its own, you gotta do it yourself.

Let us know how it turns out, bud!

 

[DeAfLuCkYiRiSh]

As an Electrical Engineer working on HDTV design for 9 years, there is so much for me to say on many levels of these subject matters. But I would end up creating a post the size of a novel in the likes of 'War and Peace'.

In a nutshell here are some rules that you should know. Print this out for future reference.

1. HDMI is 100% backwards compatible with later versions of HDMI. HDMI ver 1.0, ver 1.1, ver 1.2 are now out in the markets. ver 1.3 will be out in mid 2006.

2. HDMI is only 50% backwards compatible with DVI ver 1.0 (the one and only version made). HDMI ver 1.2 and ver 1.3 will be the only versions that will be 100% backwards compatible with DVI. HDMI ver 1.1 and lower is most likely not backwards compatible with DVI. The symptoms usually is a signal may black out after a few seconds, a picture scroll may occur or a blue screen may stay on.

3. Some earlier DTV and HDTV have DVI inputs in 2003 and 2003 models. HDMI inputs has now taken over in 2005 and 2006 models.

4. Sone earlier set top boxes and dvd players have DVI outputs in 2003 and 2004 models. HDMI outputs has now taken over in 2005 and 2006 models.

5. Some HDMI outputs on dvd players and set top boxes cannot upscale to 1080i. Some cannot upscale to 720p. However, most will be able to upscale to 480p and even 576p. These types usually are lower end dvd players. The ability of the HDMI output to upscale to 1080i depends on the sophistication of the dvd player for instance with the high end DCDi Faroujia motion adaptive de-interlacer and the HDMI discrete 10 bit dac/adc circuits on board.

6. The best choice is to have a digital output from the set top box or dvd player to the digital input on the DTV or HDTV. The problem usually occurs when one has an HDMI and the other a DVI connector. It doesn't matter even if you use an HDMI to DVI cable or converter device, if the versions don't match and are not backward compatible as referenced in points 1 & 2, then you will most likely experience a variety of problems.

7. If at all possible match up a DVI input with a DVI output, and an HDMI input with an HDMI output. This would give you the best chance of full operability. Of course a component video is not compatible with any digital input/output such as DVI nor HDMI. Use it only as the last resort as this is an analog signal that is much lower quality and inferior to any digital signal.

8. Most digtial cable and satelite subscribers complain about the standard or normal channels being of low quality with lots of noise. And they find that the premium or pay channels have the best quality picture. This is because the pay or premium channels are broadcast in a digital mpeg format with a much higher ATSC resolution. And its signal path to your house to the set top box and to your HDTV is mostly all digital. However, the standard or nomal channels are just re-broadcast from their old former NTSC analog formats of lower quality and then digitized. When any old low resolution analog signal is digitized, it make a very accurate copy of the signal along with any of the inherent noise and artifacts imbedded with it. And when it gets to your home into your set top box and to your HDTV through a completely digital path, it does a good job in retaining all of that noise it copied when it was digitized. The digital circuits don't know that it is noise and artifacts. It just knows it must keep the digital data signal integrity like a computer does so it keeps the noise. It never gets filter out in a complete digital path. However to resolve this, you should use a component video cable from the set top box to the HDTV only for standard or normal channels. This is because the analog signal path provides chroma and noise filters that are standard in analog circuits. This helps clean up the noise when the digital signal is converted back to an analog signal in the HDTV component input. Only in this case does the analog component signal appear better then the digital signals of DVI and HDMI.

9. Even when you have a DVI input connected to a DVI output, or an HDMI input connected to an HDMI output and your HDMI versions are backwards compatible with each other you can still have problems. If you cable is too long like 10 meters or more you can have the picture signal fade in and out or have blurring/digital blocking. The optimal cable length is 5 meters of less. The reason why is that some DVI or HDMI chips are not of the same brand and made by different manufacturers. Their eye or window specifications are not always the same and have screwed from the basic designated rules and regulations. This creates a signal syncronization mismatch and the signals may show a variety of problems. Sometimes the DVI or HDMI cable itself may be of poor quality and has created a inferior impedence match. This will also cause bad symptoms. Some HDMI and DVI chips from certain manufacturers are built with a very robust design and will be able to capture signals even with inferior cable quality and even long cables of 25 meter or more. The best case scenario is to own the highest in quality from the HDTV, set top box, dvd player and cables to insure you have optium design built in to your system.

10. When you get a High Definition signal (HD) from a pay channel or premium channel from your HD digital cable or satelite set top box, you may soon be required to have an HDCP encrypted system inorder for you to see the signal on your HDTV or DTV. This means you must have a DVI with HDCP or HDMI with HDCP connection. Now the problem is that some earlier DVI connections do not come with an HDCP encryption scheme with it. These sets will not be able to pick up an encrypted HD signal if your broadcaster decides to activate it. However almost all HDMI connectors have HDCP encryption built into it so it is less likely that you will have a problem with an HDMI to HDMI connection.

11. Another problem issue is that the only way to know if your system has HDCP encryption or know what HDMI version your system has is to find the make and model and request the information from the manufacturer. Another way is to open up the set or box and to find the chipset to get the make and model of the HDMI chip. You can then go on to the web to search for the IC specs of the chip to find the version and HDCP encrption capability.

12. The positive side to all of this digital mayhem is that in the future most all of the newer systems will only have HDMI as a digital connector. And these will all be backwards compatible to all the older systems including DVI and all built with HDCP encryption. All new DTV and HDTV sets today have to be HDMI certified before they hit the market. And there is a compatibility program that insures the HDCP encryption scheme works 100% between all makes and manufacturers HDMI systems. If you buy a new HDTV, set top box and dvd player make sure that they have the 'HDMI' logo certification label as well as the HDCP certification label named 'Panel Link' or 'Simplay HD' on it. This will insure that not only will you be able to get a guaranteed signal but it should be the best signal quality with a most optimal cable length and also have HDCP encryption for all HD signals.

13. If you have an earlier HDTV or DTV set with problems as I mentioned in my many points above, I suggest you contact your sales channel or even the manufacturer and give these guys a piece of your mind. Let them know that as a consumer of durable goods you deserve to be treated better than this and demand a reprive or compensation in the form of discount coupons or purchase vouchers on newer systems to compensate your loss with these transitional yet incompatible HD systems your were duped into buying. I think if enough if the consumers give them a ear full, they will get on the ball next time such a technical transition occurs.

Good luck folks,

 

[Fragmenter]

Hey guys, the X360 will output games & movies in 1080p in the near future!

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