girl flipping a bird at judge got 30 days jail

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In the article she came over as a Tasmanian crocodile, but among punks there is a certain ethos attached to taunting or tweaking of authority figures. The question is whether the punishment is appropriate to the lesson. I cannot imagine why the Magistrate would dehumanize her to the point where his objective wasn't her self-improvement. If I'm wrong about that, then maybe I don't understand clearly what transpired.
 
rockin'robin said:
Well, perhaps not...but this is what I would have given her...this girl seems to only want "attention"...acting as if she's at a comedy club instead of standing in front of a Judge....At age 18, she's totally defiant and has no respect...probably thumbs her nose at rules and authority.....and more than likely, acts the same way to her Parents....no boundaries for this girl....

Maybe 30 days in jail will solve the problem, if not...then this girl is gonna be in and out of jail. As for a drug rehab, good luck with that....with her attitude and disrepect towards the Law...feel it's not gonna change her...not one iota.

The success rate for Drug Rehabs in my city is very, very low.
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She's similar to my sister when she was 18.

For problem with respect, it is best interest for her to have mandatory outdoor education, the court order so it is possible for her behavior to improve. I support outdoor education for juveniles and young adults on misdemeanor charge.

The recidivism is very high in the jail - not surprised.
 
bit of overkill I would say....10 days would make the point.....not like she's a serious criminal....or experienced with courts.....but yeah flipping the bird is asking for it....should lock up her parents actually for not teaching her anything......could be a mental issue too....which is supposed to be identified by court.
 
Babyblue said:
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She is legally an adult. Drug rehab? For flipping a judge off? Uhmmm Nooo. She needs the 30 days to learn to think before she act.
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The jail time will not going help her at all and the recidivism rate is very high.
 
authentic said:
"bye-bye" sounds like Judge was kind of trying to "ignite" her and she replied "Adios". That is not bad word at all. I think that judge was "overpowering" her. There is nothing you can do in the courtroom.
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I disagree.

She obviously laughed at and disrespected the $5000 bail,
Soto laughed again and replied, "Adios" as she walked away.
so once the judge realized that (quickly, yes),
But the judge summoned her back and reset bond at $10,000.
he reconsidered and increased the ruling to $10 000 to show her that
being a criminal does have serious consequences.
It finally get through to her that partaking in criminal activity DOES have consequences, but what didn't get to her yet
how the court, the judge, the ruling - THE LAW - they do mean something, and you do NOT misbehave in court if you have any tiny particle of leftover brain in your head:
A visibly shocked Soto replied, "Are you serious?" and gave the judge the finger as she turned to walk away again, adding, "F--- you!"

You HAVE TO at least show respect to the authority, in this case to the court, the judge:
The judge then sentenced her to 30 days in jail.

perhaps now she will reconsider her behavior whenever she will appear (hopefully NOT) in the court again.

The thing is, society have to feel respect toward authorities.

If we don't, there will be an anarchy - and resulting chaos. There will be no one to take care of those who are defenseless, no one to upkeep the law,
there will be no law to being with.

As for there is nothing you can do in the courtroom
maybe not in the courtroom, but the defendant is always within rights to appeal the /court/judge decision.


You know what I think? I think the girl was high, the judge didn't want to overpower her but he did want to teach her a lesson.


Fuzzy
 
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deaftears said:
The mirth of contempt is called schaedenfreude and it is no laughing matter. All I had to go on was the article. Had I been there my deafness and impaired vision might have deceived me, further I'm personally dealing with popular persons who have authored an imbalanced series of extremes and my judgement may be impaired, however it remains unclear why she turned a magistrate into the enemy. I saw no evidence that anyone was asking her to hide or be ashamed, so her conduct mystifies me. She has to make due consideration for the order of procedure. That is all. It is basic. It is final. It is as much for her dignity and safety as anyone else. No matter your station in life it is not too much to ask a measure of deportment and deference in a court of law. It is after all recognition of your own power.

Disrespecting the courts is not really all that understandable. The courts must be kept safe as a place for differences of opinion where the heart can be laid bare. Deception in a court is the very meaning of dishonorable. There should be no invitation to dishonor especially in a society where intimidation is everywhere. Think if Brown had been afraid for his life in the anti-segregation decision and all that would testify as to the dignity of our jurisprudence. I'm sure the magistrate perceived intimidation, that was clear from the article. He moved to censor it for public safety.

Admittedly, given the degree of sadism present in our nation's lock ups the gesture may prove misplaced or counter-productive. It may do warning. It may do lasting harm. It is clearly a case of bad conduct being put on severe notice. Whether the crackdown was justified is not entirely clear from an article which may be biased. I wasn't there. I witnessed nothing. I feel sorrier for her than I do for the magistrate right now. Her conduct borders on something that cannot be allowed. Contempt can become intimidation and the consequence to objectivity would derail mankind. The threat to court safety may have been exaggerated. The Justice of the Peace did not think so. Experience may count for something. I certainly hope so.

A young girl caught in the season of fads misjudged her manuveuring room. Regretably she's been sent to a place where she'll learn to Horst Wessel.
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You could have said all that in a few simple English words..
that you are afraid power might have been abused,
and you feel sorry for the girl...

Fuzzy
 
deaftears said:
She is a bit of a martyr by California youth standards.
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California needs to be thrown out of the Union, and let every bounty hunter have a price on every Californian citizen's dead head. Anywhere from $1,000 to $5,000 per body.

Now that would be economically viable... and FUN! :-D
 
There is nothing to be said for a gratuitous attack on a young person's charisma, nor is there anything to be said for failure to take serious things seriously. Jeopardizing the gravity of law with flippancy can backfire. "A nation without laws is a terrible thing indeed, but a nation founded on the letter of the law is not quite worthy of man, either, " ~ Alexander Solzhenitsyn.
 
deaftears said:
There is nothing to be said for a gratuitous attack on a young person's charisma, nor is there anything to be said for failure to take serious things seriously. Jeopardizing the gravity of law with flippancy can backfire. "A nation without laws is a terrible thing indeed, but a nation founded on the letter of the law is not quite worthy of man, either, " ~ Alexander Solzhenitsyn.
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Ah, I like his book The Gulag Archipelago, great book.

Though many people suspected that Putin secretly had him murdered... It's just a rumor though.
 
Cowpuppy said:
bit of overkill I would say....10 days would make the point.....not like she's a serious criminal....or experienced with courts.....but yeah flipping the bird is asking for it....should lock up her parents actually for not teaching her anything......could be a mental issue too....which is supposed to be identified by court.
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She also swore at the judge ,that was why the judge called her back and made her fine higher. Then she flipped the bird at the judge and got 30 days in jail. yeah you gotta wonder about the parents. But the parents may having trouble with her too.
 
Guess she was pushing the max for dignity's sake by her own lights. Tragedy.
 
deaftears said:
Guess she was pushing the max for dignity's sake by her own lights. Tragedy.
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When I watch the video the girl was acting like the being in court was a joke , I bet when she woke up in jail she was not laughing any more.
 
I only read the article and am unaware of any laws against being amused by court. The judge may have properly assessed the situation. I wasn't there. Experience may count for something. The girl clearly had a problem in understanding the dignity of the situation. Whether that violated a law or not is another question.
 
You just cant do that in the courtroom especially to a judge.
 
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