GingRICH

[Steinhauer]

Naturally, he would be seeking for a re-election. It's expected.



This is the first time I've heard of her being paid by the government. Do you have any evidence to back up what you are saying here? Do you realize that people can't really just walk in a bank and get proof of a person's banking history?



Because it was National Enquirer.

So was the John Edwards Story - and it was released to the National Enquirer by Hillary Clinton's campaign staff



It matters.



Cain's campaign came to a halt due to all of the allegations being made against him. I don't know if any of these allegations are true, but the way his campaign handled them were done rather poorly. That's what really killed his campaign.



Meh.



15 years is not that long. 50 years is.



He was only honest about it because he got busted. He is a true hypocrite and still is.

Now, regarding Vera Baker, remember it was National Enquirer who broke the story. Then they quickly revised it and it became a rather short story with vague details. After that, what happened? Not much. I also just checked the National Enquirer, the story seems to have disappeared for good. Guess they didn't have much of a leg to stand on in the first place.

I also remember how the left tried to downplay the John Edwards affair by touting how unreliable the source was (The National Enquirer).

And yes, the National Enquirer was right on the money with the Edwards story and one would wonder why it was released to them and not the mainstream media like the story of Cain's accusers ....

things that make you go hmmmm .....

 

[Banjo]

National Enquirer got lucky with John Edwards.

But again, John Edwards didn't have a chance of winning. He never did. He's not a well-liked person, and I don't know why he was even running for the job in the first place. But again, what do you expect from idiots? They'll do whatever they can do to win.

 

[Steinhauer]

National Enquirer got lucky with John Edwards.

But again, John Edwards didn't have a chance of winning. He never did. He's not a well-liked person, and I don't know why he was even running for the job in the first place. But again, what do you expect from idiots? They'll do whatever they can do to win.

It is my opinion that the Edwards story was leaked to The National Enquirer on purpose. The purpose of that would be to discredit the allegations entirely. I mean, who, in their right mind, would have believed it when the front page also shows pictures of bigfoot adopting a penguin?

The Vera Baker story was also leaked to the National Enquirer - and again, in my opinion - on purpose. Just a strategy to make anyone who believed it out to be a right wing birther/truther nutjob or whatever - the purpose was to make someone feel that anyone who took the story as credible, belonged in a padded cell somewhere.

Unfortunately, all the details checked out. The story was not about a Sheep Farmer in North Dakota who was raising aliens in a tiny ant farm (inserting sarcastic smiley that I can't find here).

Vera Baker was the campaign finance manager for Obama's Senate Election - so she wasn't a random rumored fictional person like bigfoot. She did "mysteriously" move to Martinique shortly after Obama was sworn in, and shortly after the story broke. She is getting a paycheck from a municipality from Chicago while living in a foreign country. How she is doing that is anyone's guess. She did have a nice job in DC before she moved. She did hire an attorney after the story broke.

All of the above is questionable at the very least.

 

[Reba]

The following is my personal opinion only.

Gingrich's adultery, which happened more than once, shows a pattern of infidelity, not just a one-time "slip." Also, there are some questions about his financial dealings that haven't been cleared up.

As a Christian, I totally believe that God can (and does) forgive all sinners who repent of their sins and turn to Jesus Christ for forgiveness and redemption. That means, their record is clear when they stand before our heavenly Judge. The punishment for their sins is not ignored. The punishment was taken on voluntarily by Jesus.

However, that doesn't mean that the sinner avoids earthly consequences of those sins. Suppose a murderer repents of his sin while sitting in a prison cell? God can forgive him but he will still have to fulfill his sentence in prison.

In our church, the policy (which I agree with) for confessed adulterers is that they can be accepted into the congregation. However, they can never hold positions of leadership such as pastor or deacon.

Obviously, the POTUS is not a position of spiritual leadership. However, I do believe that the candidate for that position must be held to a high standard of conduct. It may well be that Gingrich has truly repented and changed his ways. I'm not yet convinced of that. There may be a day when I am. But as of right now, and as of yesterday when I voted for someone else, that wasn't the case.

I've spoken with other SC voters. Those who voted for Gingrich told me that it was because he was in the best position to defeat Obama.

For me, that wasn't a good enough reason to vote for him.

 

[saywhatkid]

Good job bringing up Newt's affair which is what ... 15 years old now

Talk about re-hashing a dead horse over and over again then blaming it on someone else when they decide to counter it

Smoooth ... real smooth.

Are you stating you wish someone had shot Bush? (I can do that too)

How dare I bring up Gingrich...in a thread about Gingrich! My bad. Back to Obama! Or Clinton! Or Edwards!

And no, I would not want anyone shot, not even hard core Conservative sheep. From the deep south. Or hard core Liberals. From California. That is where we differ. I respect both sides. You, not so much.

 

[Banjo]

How dare I bring up Gingrich...in a thread about Gingrich! My bad. Back to Obama! Or Clinton! Or Edwards!

And no, I would not want anyone shot, not even hard core Conservative sheep. From the deep south. Or hard core Liberals. From California. That is where we differ. I respect both sides. You, not so much.

At least no one has brought up George Washington and Sally Fairfax... yet...

 

[Banjo]

She is getting a paycheck from a municipality from Chicago while living in a foreign country.

How did they find out about that part?

 

[DeafCaroline]

Naturally, he would be seeking for a re-election. It's expected.



This is the first time I've heard of her being paid by the government. Do you have any evidence to back up what you are saying here? Do you realize that people can't really just walk in a bank and get proof of a person's banking history?



Because it was National Enquirer.



It matters.



Cain's campaign came to a halt due to all of the allegations being made against him. I don't know if any of these allegations are true, but the way his campaign handled them were done rather poorly. That's what really killed his campaign.



Meh.



15 years is not that long. 50 years is.



He was only honest about it because he got busted. He is a true hypocrite and still is.

Now, regarding Vera Baker, remember it was National Enquirer who broke the story. Then they quickly revised it and it became a rather short story with vague details. After that, what happened? Not much. I also just checked the National Enquirer, the story seems to have disappeared for good. Guess they didn't have much of a leg to stand on in the first place.

Hmm....National Enquirer knew about anti-Obama operatives wiling to pay over a million to see the hotel tape that purportedly proved Obama was having an affair with Vera. Don't you think if there's actual proof, the Republicans would make sure the public knew all about it?

Their story is vague because they don't know more than what they've reported and they deliberately led the viewers to think the tape shows an actual affair when in fact, apparently all it shows is them entering and exiting the hotel during the campaign. Big shocker, you campaign, you stay in hotels with your staff. And they also refuse to admit to the date of the the hotel tape.

So...methinks as is typical of the Enquirer is they say things like "hotel tape that could quite potentially blow the top of this secret sex scandal!!!!!" when the truth is "there is supposedly a hotel tape showing Obama and Vera entering and exiting the hotel together during the presidential campaign.

It's the National Enquirer...that alone should say enough.

 

[Jiro]

He has divided this nation in a way I have never experienced or seen before.

better than Bush who had divided this world and made us a hot target for international terrorists.

 

[Steinhauer]

The following is my personal opinion only.

Gingrich's adultery, which happened more than once, shows a pattern of infidelity, not just a one-time "slip." Also, there are some questions about his financial dealings that haven't been cleared up.

As a Christian, I totally believe that God can (and does) forgive all sinners who repent of their sins and turn to Jesus Christ for forgiveness and redemption. That means, their record is clear when they stand before our heavenly Judge. The punishment for their sins is not ignored. The punishment was taken on voluntarily by Jesus.

However, that doesn't mean that the sinner avoids earthly consequences of those sins. Suppose a murderer repents of his sin while sitting in a prison cell? God can forgive him but he will still have to fulfill his sentence in prison.

In our church, the policy (which I agree with) for confessed adulterers is that they can be accepted into the congregation. However, they can never hold positions of leadership such as pastor or deacon.

Obviously, the POTUS is not a position of spiritual leadership. However, I do believe that the candidate for that position must be held to a high standard of conduct. It may well be that Gingrich has truly repented and changed his ways. I'm not yet convinced of that. There may be a day when I am. But as of right now, and as of yesterday when I voted for someone else, that wasn't the case.

I've spoken with other SC voters. Those who voted for Gingrich told me that it was because he was in the best position to defeat Obama.

For me, that wasn't a good enough reason to vote for him.

I respect your opinion but I do not hold the same exact spiritual views that you hold on adultery and quite even possibly, divorce. I believe that people can be tricked into marriages, and they can be tricked out of them. I also believe that no one should have to endure years of an abusive relationship just so they can be "right with God".

I also believe that there is no sin greater than another, except harboring hatred. I also believe that I shouldn't be passing judgement on another's sin, since that is God's responsibility. I also believe that if I throw a rock in the air, it will hit someone guilty, for everyone sins.

But yes, I do respect your views and I even used to share some of them.

Edit to add: I am not saying that you are doing this, I am just stating what I have come to understand - I also wanted to mention that I do not take the subject of "redemption" lightly. While others may continue to mock Newt Gingrich for his past mistakes, he did confess to them a long time ago.

 

[Jiro]

I respect your opinion but I do not hold the same exact spiritual views that you hold on adultery and quite even possibly, divorce. I believe that people can be tricked into marriages, and they can be tricked out of them. I also believe that no one should have to endure years of an abusive relationship just so they can be "right with God".

I also believe that there is no sin greater than another, except harboring hatred. I also believe that I shouldn't be passing judgement on another's sin, since that is God's responsibility. I also believe that if I throw a rock in the air, it will hit someone guilty, for everyone sins.

But yes, I do respect your views and I even used to share some of them.

Edit to add: I am not saying that you are doing this, I am just stating what I have come to understand - I also wanted to mention that I do not take the subject of "redemption" lightly.

my analysis of your post says that you are still confused and unresolved. that's why most of your posts are not coherent. It's full of contradictions and confusing bias. in Reba's case, she had guidance from mentors over years. Sure we don't always see it side by side but at least her posts are sound and her position is consistent on many issues. Yours are not.

before you reply back with some foolish comments, think carefully and be honest with yourself.

While others may continue to mock Newt Gingrich for his past mistakes, he did confess to them a long time ago.

Did he confess BEFORE people found out?

 

[Reba]

I respect your opinion but I do not hold the same exact spiritual views that you hold on adultery and quite even possibly, divorce. I believe that people can be tricked into marriages, and they can be tricked out of them. I also believe that no one should have to endure years of an abusive relationship just so they can be "right with God".

Just to be clear, I never said that anyone should endure an abusive relationship.

Also, I don't believe Gingrich was tricked into anything. He's not some low-esteem simpleton.

I also believe that there is no sin greater than another, except harboring hatred. I also believe that I shouldn't be passing judgement on another's sin, since that is God's responsibility. I also believe that if I throw a rock in the air, it will hit someone guilty, for everyone sins.

It's not that a sin is "greater" but each sin does carry different levels of consequences. Infidelity is particularly painful to God because it goes against the type that marriage represents in the relationship between Christ and the Church.

I don't believe that acknowledging that there are natural consequences of sin is a judgment on a person's spiritual condition or position. If someone drives drunk and kills an innocent pedestrian, the victim isn't going to come alive again just because the driver repents. God can forgive him, the family can forgive him, and even society can forgive him. But that victim stays dead. There are consequences to our sins (also known as "baggage"), even when they are forgiven.

When King David committed adultery with Bathsheba, many people suffered the consequences. David eventually confessed and repented, and God forgave him. However, Uriah was still dead. Repercussions in the kingdom rippled on. David's reputation as a leader was damaged.

Gingrich can be forgiven and go on with his life. That doesn't mean I have to vote for him. It's not even a matter of voting "against" him or punishing him. I preferred another candidate.

But yes, I do respect your views and I even used to.share some of them.

I appreciate that. I just want to be sure that my views are clear.

 

[Steinhauer]

better than Bush who had divided this world and made us a hot target for international terrorists.

It would be completely foolish to believe that. Americans have been the Target of terrorist attacks before Bush came in to office. Are you a truther too?

 

[Jiro]

It would be completely foolish to believe that. Americans have been the Target of terrorist attacks before Bush came in to office. Are you a truther too?

what's a truther?

 

[Steinhauer]

Just to be clear, I never said that anyone should endure an abusive relationship.

Also, I don't believe Gingrich was tricked into anything. He's not some low-esteem simpleton.


It's not that a sin is "greater" but each sin does carry different levels of consequences. Infidelity is particularly painful to God because it goes against the type that marriage represents in the relationship between Christ and the Church.

I don't believe that acknowledging that there are natural consequences of sin is a judgment on a person's spiritual condition or position. If someone drives drunk and kills an innocent pedestrian, the victim isn't going to come alive again just because the driver repents. God can forgive him, the family can forgive him, and even society can forgive him. But that victim stays dead. There are consequences to our sins (also known as "baggage"), even when they are forgiven.

When King David committed adultery with Bathsheba, many people suffered the consequences. David eventually confessed and repented, and God forgave him. However, Uriah was still dead. Repercussions in the kingdom rippled on. David's reputation as a leader was damaged.

Gingrich can be forgiven and go on with his life. That doesn't mean I have to vote for him. It's not even a matter of voting "against" him or punishing him. I preferred another candidate.


I appreciate that. I just want to be sure that my views are clear.

I was not implying that Gingrich was a simpleton, although it is highly questionable as to whether or not he was "tricked" into his first marriage. It is obvious to everyone that he was completely at fault for the dissolution of his second marriage. Whether or not he felt manipulated holds no bearing after 18 years. He should have filed for a divorce when he knew his marriage was over.

But, this was 15 years ago. Some couples recover from infidelity (such as the Clintons), and most do not.

I do understand that Jesus meant for marriage to be symbolic of the church and God. I understand what he meant by trying to serve and please two masters. I think Gingrich does too. But, I don't know for sure - only he knows that.

 

[Cowpuppy]

I agree with Reba. It's ok to forgive but that's not what we want in a leader. Pattern of infidelity and self-centeredness. Cheating is a form of lying. Liars don't change late in life. The guys just an egomaniac. Only wants to feed his ego.
my point earlier is (white) southerners will vote for a southerner without reason. a form of racism against the north and west. get over it. move on and use your brain.
the guys a lying sack of poopie.

Just to be clear, I never said that anyone should endure an abusive relationship.

Also, I don't believe Gingrich was tricked into anything. He's not some low-esteem simpleton.


It's not that a sin is "greater" but each sin does carry different levels of consequences. Infidelity is particularly painful to God because it goes against the type that marriage represents in the relationship between Christ and the Church.

I don't believe that acknowledging that there are natural consequences of sin is a judgment on a person's spiritual condition or position. If someone drives drunk and kills an innocent pedestrian, the victim isn't going to come alive again just because the driver repents. God can forgive him, the family can forgive him, and even society can forgive him. But that victim stays dead. There are consequences to our sins (also known as "baggage"), even when they are forgiven.

When King David committed adultery with Bathsheba, many people suffered the consequences. David eventually confessed and repented, and God forgave him. However, Uriah was still dead. Repercussions in the kingdom rippled on. David's reputation as a leader was damaged.

Gingrich can be forgiven and go on with his life. That doesn't mean I have to vote for him. It's not even a matter of voting "against" him or punishing him. I preferred another candidate.


I appreciate that. I just want to be sure that my views are clear.

 

[TWA]

Wow, some people can rationalize anything. Incredible. :roll:

 

[Steinhauer]

try rationalizing this:

Des Moines man charged with attempting to defraud Iowa Sec. of State | Eastern Iowa News Now

How many other staffers are attempting to smear Republican candidates?

 

[Jiro]

try rationalizing this:

Des Moines man charged with attempting to defraud Iowa Sec. of State | Eastern Iowa News Now

How many other staffers are attempting to smear Republican candidates?

this is related to Gingrich.... how?

and please do help me rationalize your inability to stay on topic. why do you keep hijacking it?

 

[Steinhauer]

this is related to Gingrich.... how?

and please do help me rationalize your inability to stay on topic. why do you keep hijacking it?

Sure, I'll help you to rationalize this Jiro. Didn't you start this thread as a "smear campaign" against Newt Gingrich?

It certainly appears that way from your OP. Since the linked article I just gave indicates that Obama staffers are committing acts of FRAUD to discredit Republicans - and since Newt Gingrich is a Republican, I would think it would be a pertinent tidbit of information.

You are a smart guy, you can figure it out.

Smear campaigns are great strategies aren't they? It distracts everyone from the real issues.

And Zachary Edwards isn't just any old chump - he is media director for 5 different states and is a member of Obama's re-election campaign.

Just pointing out you shouldn't believe everything you read - especially when a criminal action and intentional fraud took place to mislead people.