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I hope the government and the film makers can resolve this problem.

I've had a soft spot in my heart for von Stauffenberg ever since I was a kid and wrote a report about him.

History Channel had an interesting special about the assassination plot but a commercial movie might get a larger audience of young people who don't know the story.

Germany bans Cruise film shoot from military sites | Entertainment | Reuters
 
I heard this one earlier today or yesterday. I cannot believe the government of Germany actually practices discrimination against people of different religions and philosophies.

Bizarre.
 
Yes, I was very surprised. It's not like Cruise is going there to preach or set up a religious camp. He's just making a movie, which usually benefits the local economy.

Well, they can always move the filming to BC. ;)
 
Yes I heard about this few days ago. I want to create a thread about this yesterday but I can’t due religious reasons (accord Alex, the owner of sites). I’m surprised that you are brave to create a thread here but I hope they won’t lock your good thread here.

I'm surprised that it didn't write much in your article. I learn from TV news and German websites. I will search a right link to match German websites what I know from TV news/Journal and will add here later.

It’s not only government but Stauffenberg’s son and famliy as well. They are not happy with Tom in this role because Tom always gets so dramatic which is more important to him than the facts. Staffenberg wanted the facts, not drama or influence some of the film.

German Government considers Scientology as a money-making cult.

I agree that the church and state should be separate but Scientology is not recognized as religion but a cult. Any cult is not acceptance here in Germany.
 
Yes I heard about this few days ago. I want to create a thread about this yesterday but I can’t due religious reasons (accord Alex, the owner of sites). I’m surprised that you are brave to create a thread here but I hope they won’t lock your good thread here.
This thread isn't a debate about the religion of Scientology. It's about making a movie (Entertainment). I don't want to get into a discussion about Scientology.

It's about how a government can control movie making.

It’s not only government but Stauffenberg’s son and famliy as well. They are not happy with Tom in this role because Tom always gets so dramatic which is more important to him than the facts. Staffenberg wanted the facts, not drama or influence some of the film.
That's a problem that all famous families face. It's just a fact of life that a dramatization of a historical event will not be the same as a History Channel documentary. Movies are made for profit not enlightenment. But sometimes a dramatized version of an event will at least make people aware of the historical event, even if the details aren't accurate or complete.


German Government considers Scientology as a money-making cult.
Is Scientology the producer of this movie?


I agree that the church and state should be separate but Scientology is not recognized as religion but a cult. Any cult is not acceptance here in Germany.
What does an actor's personal religion have to do with making a movie? Do the German film officials quiz every actor about their religious affiliation?

Uh, oh, treading dangerous ground here; I'm getting flashbacks from the 1930's.
 
This thread isn't a debate about the religion of Scientology. It's about making a movie (Entertainment). I don't want to get into a discussion about Scientology.

It's about how a government can control movie making.


That's a problem that all famous families face. It's just a fact of life that a dramatization of a historical event will not be the same as a History Channel documentary. Movies are made for profit not enlightenment. But sometimes a dramatized version of an event will at least make people aware of the historical event, even if the details aren't accurate or complete.



Is Scientology the producer of this movie?



What does an actor's personal religion have to do with making a movie? Do the German film officials quiz every actor about their religious affiliation?

Uh, oh, treading dangerous ground here; I'm getting flashbacks from the 1930's.

This is decision of Stauffenberg’s son and famliy, not everyone. The producer can't do anything against Stauffenberg family's decision which actor, they pick to play in this role for their father/Grandfather.

Everyone knows Cruise's reputation for being criticize, judge, deny and rant against people's background, privacy, business, etc. due his belief. That's why Stauffenberg family don't want drama but the fact.

Oh yes, Tom criticize the producers during film...

I beleive Government will agree with Stauffenberg family's decision for want Tom to play in this role for their father/grandfather.

I can understand the point why Government reject him because they don't want him influence the people which he did tried to his neighbor David & Victoria Beckman. I guess it will be okay if he keep neutral.
 
This is decision of Stauffenberg’s son and famliy, not everyone. The producer can't do anything against Stauffenberg family's decision which actor, they pick to play in this role for their father/Grandfather.
Huh? Since when do family members of historical or newsworthy people make casting decisions? Did the British royal family decide who played the Queen in that recent movie? Did they decide who would play Dianna in the movie about her? Did the Kennedy's pick the casts for the several movies made about their family? What about the families of Ghandi, Schindler, the astronauts, etc.? They don't pick the cast members.

I beleive Government will agree with Stauffenberg family's decision for want Tom to play in this role for their father/grandfather.
In the USA, the federal government is hands off casting decisions for movies. It's called freedom of speech.

I can understand the point why Government reject him because they don't want him influence the people which he did tried to his neighbor David & Victoria Beckman. I guess it will be okay if he keep neutral.[/QUOTE]
Do you mean David and Victoria Beckham? I'm sorry, I don't know the story about Tom and the Beckhams. How does that relate to the movie in Germany?

Has Cruise broken any laws in Germany?
 
Huh? Since when do family members of historical or newsworthy people make casting decisions? Did the British royal family decide who played the Queen in that recent movie? Did they decide who would play Dianna in the movie about her? Did the Kennedy's pick the casts for the several movies made about their family? What about the families of Ghandi, Schindler, the astronauts, etc.? They don't pick the cast members.

:confused:

The producers pick which actors/actresses up to play for someone. They are being introduce to someone and know them better before they are able to play for them or their relatives. I have read/seen on TV like this often. The producers have to accept if someone don't want actor/actress to play for them or their relatives then the producer have to look for other actor/actress to respect their wishes. There're very common like this.

In the USA, the federal government is hands off casting decisions for movies. It's called freedom of speech.

Very scary :cold:

It means that it allow to influence the children with bad movies like this...

I am glad to have Government who take care of/protect their people and country. It's good to see that all movies are being restriction to protect children from buy...




Do you mean David and Victoria Beckham? I'm sorry, I don't know the story about Tom and the Beckhams. How does that relate to the movie in Germany?

Yes, Beckham... !

:confused: It's his reputation, I am referring to, not movie.



Has Cruise broken any laws in Germany?

No matter either he broke any laws or not... Mainly important is his reputation... Would you want to have someone who have bad reputation to fix your house or buy something from shop with bad reputation and go on.... ? I would not want it... It's reputation, I am concern about before buy or order something. It's good to know that government concern about his reputation.
 
Tom Cruise Film Project Faces Resistance in Germany

Because of his ties to Scientology, Tom Cruise is not welcome to use Germany's defense ministry as a location for his next film, officials said.

The US actor-director is reportedly planning a movie about the July 20, 1944 attempt to assassinate Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler, who survived the blast bloodied but not seriously injured.

Cruise is expected to play Count Claus Schenk von Stauffenberg, the military officer who led the plot and was promptly executed in a courtyard, close to his own office at the army and navy HQ.

The German defense minister now uses the building as his office along with a Defense Ministry complex in Bonn.

Denying recognition


Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: A memorial for Stauffenberg and others involved in the plot to kill Hitler has been set up inside the German defense ministry in Berlin

Antje Blumenthal, party spokeswoman for the Christian Democrats on sect issues, said Defense Minister Franz Josef Jung had assured her Cruise would not be given a clearance to film inside the secure site.

She said letting Cruise inside would have seemed like Germany's recognition of Scientology.

Babelsberg Studios near Berlin said the company was unaware of any shooting schedule for the movie with the working title "Valkyrie," and was still in co-production talks about the project.

The defense ministry said it had not received any request to use the building. News reports said Cruise had taken a look at the military building from outside and studio scenes were to begin on July 19.

Son complains

Stauffenberg's oldest son, Berthold, meanwhile said in remarks quoted Friday by the German daily Süddeutsche Zeitung that he objected to a practicing Scientologist playing his father.

"I hoped for a while that it was all just a publicity stunt by Mr. Cruise," said the 72-year-old retired major general of the German Bundeswehr. He added that Cruise "should keep his hands off my father."


Bildunterschrift: Berthold Stauffenberg (right) is not amused about Cruise's plans

"It's sure to be crap," he said of the movie. "Of course I could be wrong -- I would like to be."

Stauffenberg said Cruise's professed faith in Scientology was "off-putting," adding that the church was not a religion but a "business."

Go climbing instead

"I am not saying that Cruise is a bad actor -- I cannot judge that," he said. "But, in any case, I fear that it could turn into horrible kitsch."

Stauffenberg added that he had been deeply disappointed by previous films on his father.

While he said that he would not take legal action against the movie plan as his father was a historical figure, he hoped Cruise would drop the project nevertheless.


Bildunterschrift: Cruise should enjoy Germany's mountains instead of making a movie, Stauffenberg says

"He should climb a mountain or go surfing in the Caribbean," he said. "I don't care as long as he
stays out of it."



DW staff based on wire reports (win)

http://www.alldeaf.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=797187



I hope Cruise respect Stauffenberg's wish.
 
The producers pick which actors/actresses up to play for someone. They are being introduce to someone and know them better before they are able to play for them or their relatives. I have read/seen on TV like this often. The producers have to accept if someone don't want actor/actress to play for them or their relatives then the producer have to look for other actor/actress to respect their wishes. There're very common like this.
Common? Where? Please name some well-known movies where the producer got permission from relatives for his casting decisions. Everything I've read is just the opposite, with very few exceptions.

Mr. Movie Guy, maybe you can help us out on this?


Very scary :cold:
Are you saying freedom of speech is scary?! You think government control of people's speech rights is not scary?!

It means that it allow to influence the children with bad movies like this...
"Bad" movies like "this"? They haven't even finished the movie, and you've already labeled it "bad"? What is your criteria for a "bad" movie? Do you mean low quality acting and production? Do you mean too much sex, violence and swearing?

Just because our country allows movies to be made, it doesn't mean children are allowed to view them. The movies are rated, and children aren't allowed to see them depending on the rating, and depending on the parents' permission.

I am glad to have Government who take care of/protect their people and country. It's good to see that all movies are being restriction to protect children from buy...
Please read my above reply.

I'm glad our government hasn't yet taken full control of our minds and will.


:confused: It's his reputation, I am referring to, not movie.
I still don't understand how this relates to the topic but I guess it's not important. :dunno:


No matter either he broke any laws or not... Mainly important is his reputation... Would you want to have someone who have bad reputation to fix your house or buy something from shop with bad reputation and go on.... ? I would not want it... It's reputation, I am concern about before buy or order something. It's good to know that government concern about his reputation.
Whose reputation, Tom's? I say let the movie producer and investors worry about that. If they think Tom's "reputation" will effect their revenue or Oscar opportunities, then they (the producers) will make the decision. After all, movie making is a profit oriented business.

In the USA, blacklisting actors leaves a bitter taste in the mouth since the Red Scare scandal. We prefer that the government keep its nose out of our personal business.

As for using a repairman or shop that has a bad reputation, I fail to see the comparison. If the repairman has a reputation for dishonesty or shoddy workmanship, then I won't hire him. If he is honest and does good work, I'll hire him. I don't ask about his religion first. I don't get permission from the government first.

Does Cruise have a reputation as a lousy actor? Do his movies have a long-term reputation of flopping financially? Does he have a reputation of not fulfilling his contract? Is there a warrant out for him? No? So why should the producer not use him? Why should the German government get involved? If Cruise breaks a German law, then the government can throw him in jail. If he doesn't break any laws, leave him alone.

BTW, I'm no fan of Tom Cruise. I couldn't care less about his career or movies, so that has no influence on my opinion.
 
I have read book about him. It was very interesting and good history book. He is one of 13th attempt assassinate plot to kill Hitler. In fact history, many attempt assassinate plot to kill Hitler. (mostly were fails and drop out)
 
I heard this one earlier today or yesterday. I cannot believe the government of Germany actually practices discrimination against people of different religions and philosophies.

Bizarre.

I agree with that.
 
Yes, I was very surprised. It's not like Cruise is going there to preach or set up a religious camp. He's just making a movie, which usually benefits the local economy.

Well, they can always move the filming to BC. ;)


agree with this one, he is not preach out there. It is movie and part of history.
 
...She said letting Cruise inside would have seemed like Germany's recognition of Scientology.
What a truly bizarre statement. :confused:

The movie isn't about Scientology.

Does the German government ask about the religious or political beliefs of everyone that comes to their country to make a movie?


...Stauffenberg's oldest son, Berthold, meanwhile said in remarks quoted Friday by the German daily Süddeutsche Zeitung that he objected to a practicing Scientologist playing his father.

"I hoped for a while that it was all just a publicity stunt by Mr. Cruise," said the 72-year-old retired major general of the German Bundeswehr. He added that Cruise "should keep his hands off my father."

"It's sure to be crap," he said of the movie. "Of course I could be wrong -- I would like to be."

Stauffenberg said Cruise's professed faith in Scientology was "off-putting," adding that the church was not a religion but a "business."

"I am not saying that Cruise is a bad actor -- I cannot judge that," he said. "But, in any case, I fear that it could turn into horrible kitsch."
Family members certainly have a right to express their personal opinions. But an opinion is not the same as forcing control of a movie producer's choices.


Stauffenberg added that he had been deeply disappointed by previous films on his father.
When Hollywood "art" tries to blend with factual world history, that's often the case. That's just a fact of life.


While he said that he would not take legal action against the movie plan as his father was a historical figure, he hoped Cruise would drop the project nevertheless...

"He should climb a mountain or go surfing in the Caribbean," he said. "I don't care as long as he stays out of it."
See, even the son admits that his father is a historical figure, and that there really is no legal basis for stopping the film. It's just his opinion.

Bottom line: If people are offended by the movie, they shouldn't buy a ticket to it. Box office talks louder than censorship.
 
Reba, I am not going to waste my time to quote your misinterpretation posts. I´ve enough of your twist words when you KNEW what I am talking about.


Stauffenberg respect Cruise also...... follow both have a good respect along.

Where have I say that Stauffenberg disrespect Cruise? No, Stauffenberg do not against Tom personally but do not wish him to play in this role for his father and know his reputation, that´s all. I hope Cruise also respect Stauffenberg´s wish, too.
 
Reba, I am not going to waste my time to quote your misinterpretation posts. I´ve enough of your twist words when you KNEW what I am talking about.




Where have I say that Stauffenberg disrespect Cruise? No, Stauffenberg do not against Tom personally but do not wish him to play in this role for his father and know his reputation, that´s all. I hope Cruise also respect Stauffenberg´s wish, too.

You misunderstand....who told you that stauffenberg disrespect Cruise?. I was post stauffenerg is respect Crusie also. Got that?. I am going end this thread.

Liebling...you are a real satanic biblethumper here. PFFFFFTTT
 
while the family can ask that a certain actor not play a part, it's ultimately up to the producers of the movie to decide if the actor should play the part, with historical movies.

They make the decisions of who plays what part. If they prefer to keep the actor, that's their choice. And I'm sure that the people making the movie, if they can't get the location they want, they can recreate it in a studio or elsewhere.. it doesn't necessarily have to be where they want. I mean.. most of these movies are filmed on location and On soundstages..

In the end, it's all about making a movie that most people like or want. The filmmakers have to respect Germany's decision not to allow filming in Germany for the movie. But they can respect the family's wishes and still allow Cruise to play the character. Just because the film makers decide to keep the casting, does not mean they do not respect the family. It just means they thought he was best suited for the role.
 
You misunderstand....who told you that stauffenberg disrespect Cruise?. I was post stauffenerg is respect Crusie also. Got that?. I am going end this thread.

I re-read your post and sorry for misread your post.


Liebling...you are a real satanic biblethumper here. PFFFFFTTT

:confused: You misunderstand me... I am not a biblethumper... Tom´s belief is not a relgious or relate to bible but a cult.

I personally agree that it´s not fair to ban Tom Cruise because of his belief but I respect Stauffenberg´s wish for not want Tom to play in this role for his father. Everyone knows his reputation for rant, critizing, disrespect, make drama, influence etc to the people or their history background.
 
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