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you're right it's not always for children but it's jigsaw to be together.
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you're right it's not always for children but it's jigsaw to be together.
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Sorry, but what is the beneficial for me?
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I'm all for it- and I'm 100% against "domestic partnerships" or the like- while they may grant MOST but not ALL legal rights marriage entitles, there is the given -lower- status of them: we recognise your right to a commited relationship, but in the eyes of a random government that doesn't know you, you're just not good enough for -our- kind of relationship.
In regards to the issue of gay marriage being "wrong" because gay and lesbian couples cannot have children without sperm donation or adoption, I think that's a pretty crappy point. I know a Jewish couple who decided to not risk having a baby because they both carry Tay Sachs. Should they not have been allowed to marry? How about infertile couples? Heterosexual adults that make the choice to be childfree?
Marriage, in the legal sense, has nothing to do with children- it's about the legal rights that come with it. Marriage is about being able to carry one name in front of the world. Marriage is about getting on your knees before whatever deity you hold to be true and promising forever- if you believe it's just in this world or for eternity.
I support Gay Marriage for the same reasons I support polyamorous families, regardless of their configuration, being given the legal right to marry. I support it because I think it's better to promise love to one person (or two, or three) and hold true to that promise.. as opposed to doing what far too many people are doing- running around with anyone and everyone.
In regards to the issue of gay marriage being "wrong" because gay and lesbian couples cannot have children without sperm donation or adoption, I think that's a pretty crappy point. I know a Jewish couple who decided to not risk having a baby because they both carry Tay Sachs. Should they not have been allowed to marry? How about infertile couples? Heterosexual adults that make the choice to be childfree?
Marriage, in the legal sense, has nothing to do with children- it's about the legal rights that come with it. Marriage is about being able to carry one name in front of the world. Marriage is about getting on your knees before whatever deity you hold to be true and promising forever- if you believe it's just in this world or for eternity.
I support Gay Marriage for the same reasons I support polyamorous families, regardless of their configuration, being given the legal right to marry. I support it because I think it's better to promise love to one person (or two, or three) and hold true to that promise.. as opposed to doing what far too many people are doing- running around with anyone and everyone.
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I support Gay Marriage. I have no prolem with it. I really don't see why any person thinks they have the right to tell an other person who they can and can't love/marry. Hell.............I know of plenty of gay couples who are still together and have out lasted some of my friends straight marriage. Why should they be denied the same rights and anyone else? I say Yes to gay marriage.
This is my problem with Same Sex Marriage is this ......
Let me start I am straight and my problem is NOT NOT with same sex marriages its self .My problems are that if same sex marriages r ok and marriage of a man and a woman is legal and living in sin is what it is that no matter what these are all ways we each choose to live our lives and that so many other's think that they have more power over our lives .
I think any couple that choose to follow a life path they should be able to with all the benifits as a "marriage " ( we will vent on that in a sec ) . Gay I don't like that word .Same sex marriages , living in sin people shold get the same long term benifits as a married couple .No matter how we choose to live its our hearts and blood and sweat and tears that goes into everything ,the kids and the family etc........ and then we are ones that get crapped on in the end and end with nothing but more heart ache and nothing .
Like Pitt/jolie they have more than proved that they can handle children together and they shold be on the paper and process from day one .
I now pronnounce you chuck and larry , People should not have to lie to get benifits ,feel one thing and act otherwise . It was a cute movie btw
Or live as a couple and get nothing because we not the next of kin or the family discards you so easy cause we aren't the spouse just the lover . and then there is probate .
So I know how to solve this let's do away with marriage in the sense we know it and let's do this .
Men /Woman couples that want a real marriage have it and that is in front of the jp ,God and register with the sate and that is marriage .
Same Sex marriage and us that want to live in sin get a paper and fill it out and pay your 20 bucks and we are pronounce a legal couple with joint owner ship and entile to benifits but we don't get all that other money and benifits and etc and etc ....
we go to a jp /Church if we choice depending on how want ot handle it . Or just pay the fee . This way everyone is equal in the relationship and this way we all are happy and until society gets advanced enough to grasp the whole we are still moving foward with our dreams and hope and wants.
WE ALL LIVE HAPPY EVER AFTER .
Sorry for the rant but I read this thread after having a HEATED agrument over this Marriage topic and I blew sorry but the same sex marriage isn't a "problem " or a problem we are making it a problem :O
"GAY " Marriages are sometimes the happiest most loving relationships . We should all follow the example of love and respect our same sex friends not only have but show that they have it .
anyway I will stop but jsut had to put my 2 sense in
Let me start I am straight and my problem is NOT NOT with same sex marriages its self .My problems are that if same sex marriages r ok and marriage of a man and a woman is legal and living in sin is what it is that no matter what these are all ways we each choose to live our lives and that so many other's think that they have more power over our lives .
I think any couple that choose to follow a life path they should be able to with all the benifits as a "marriage " ( we will vent on that in a sec ) . Gay I don't like that word .Same sex marriages , living in sin people shold get the same long term benifits as a married couple .No matter how we choose to live its our hearts and blood and sweat and tears that goes into everything ,the kids and the family etc........ and then we are ones that get crapped on in the end and end with nothing but more heart ache and nothing .
Like Pitt/jolie they have more than proved that they can handle children together and they shold be on the paper and process from day one .
I now pronnounce you chuck and larry , People should not have to lie to get benifits ,feel one thing and act otherwise . It was a cute movie btw
Or live as a couple and get nothing because we not the next of kin or the family discards you so easy cause we aren't the spouse just the lover . and then there is probate .
So I know how to solve this let's do away with marriage in the sense we know it and let's do this .
Men /Woman couples that want a real marriage have it and that is in front of the jp ,God and register with the sate and that is marriage .
Same Sex marriage and us that want to live in sin get a paper and fill it out and pay your 20 bucks and we are pronounce a legal couple with joint owner ship and entile to benifits but we don't get all that other money and benifits and etc and etc ....
we go to a jp /Church if we choice depending on how want ot handle it . Or just pay the fee . This way everyone is equal in the relationship and this way we all are happy and until society gets advanced enough to grasp the whole we are still moving foward with our dreams and hope and wants.
WE ALL LIVE HAPPY EVER AFTER .
Sorry for the rant but I read this thread after having a HEATED agrument over this Marriage topic and I blew sorry but the same sex marriage isn't a "problem " or a problem we are making it a problem :O
"GAY " Marriages are sometimes the happiest most loving relationships . We should all follow the example of love and respect our same sex friends not only have but show that they have it .
anyway I will stop but jsut had to put my 2 sense in
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Same here too support gay marriages and I don't see anything wrong with that. Yes, I agree with you that all people are human beings with feelings for one another, be it gays or straights. I have some friends who are gays and they are a happy bunch of people I ever known. My hubby and I have just got an invitation yesterday from our lesbian friends to a commitment ceremony to exchange vows to each other. They have been together for about 5 years now.
In Australia, gay marriages are ban but many gays and lesbians are using commitment ceremony to celebrate the love between them by exchanging vows. Its a bit like marriage but not legal like having a marriage certificate to say they are legally married.
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I'm not convinced by group selection but that may be for another thread.
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I support same-sex marriages.
What people do in their private and personal lives shouldnt be of any concern to us especially to the church. They arent going around shooting, robbing, harming, or kidnapping people..so why should we, as a society, put so much focus on it when there are worst problems that need our focus?
What people do in their private and personal lives shouldnt be of any concern to us especially to the church. They arent going around shooting, robbing, harming, or kidnapping people..so why should we, as a society, put so much focus on it when there are worst problems that need our focus?
Granted that altered social and environmental conditions do alter the sexuality
of people. Not many years I would have said no due to religious beliefs. Though
I still hold those religious beliefs, now I say no for a different reason. I have
been married for 24 years and if we had it to do over we would NOT enter into
a leagle and binding agreement with the State. It gives them power over you. We would have said our vows to each other in Church and in front of family
and friends. The only reason any part of the government supports gay marriage is so that it has one more group of people that it could put a leagle
and binding hold over. I think I may be becoming an anarchist! Oh my!
Granted that altered social and environmental conditions do alter the sexuality
of people. Not many years I would have said no due to religious beliefs. Though
I still hold those religious beliefs, now I say no for a different reason. I have
been married for 24 years and if we had it to do over we would NOT enter into
a leagle and binding agreement with the State. It gives them power over you. We would have said our vows to each other in Church and in front of family
and friends. The only reason any part of the government supports gay marriage is so that it has one more group of people that it could put a leagle
and binding hold over. I think I may be becoming an anarchist! Oh my!
If you, Christians, won't allow the gay marriage to be legalized, then why do you allow others to believe in different religions?
Yupp correct, but doesn't mean we can't definition the varies kinds of marriage around the world other than US which there is already same-sex marriage legalized in other countries. Also, what's more, the state of Massachuetts do allow the same-sex marriage in the USA! So it's more reasonable for us to put the definition of marriage to include the same-sex marriage.
Oh really? Doesn't we, the GLBT, did so great job to control the population ratherly than choosing those terrible smoking the cigarettes, aborting the babies, those terrible different ways of control the population, we would rather to have GLBT to take care of that instead of others.
Even we can help reducing the numbers of children asking for adoption! 
Well actually, I believe the governments tend to refer it as "Same-sex" marriage than the "Gay" or "Lesbian" or whatever else marriage as due to its properly word to definite the marriage.
Please read my post again. You will note that the reason for my position
has changed and has nothing to do with my Christianity. All peoples opinions and values should grow and mature over the years as they do. Christians have
no business trying to control anyone or anything. (With the exception
of people who try to hurt me or mine) A persons sexuality should be between
them and their creator and if they think they have no creator then others
should mind their own business. "you Christians" is a blanket phrase, (like you
gays, or you democrats) that sounds as if you think you know what we all
believe. I think my gay friends could inform you that my belief system is
not sterotypical. And you will also note that my position on marriage in general
has changed. I would not suggest any couple of any oreintation enguage in
a contractual agreement with the state at all. Look around. They are trying
to manipulate and control us all. Orwellian stuff is coming soon and the
Christians as well as any other groups that are not considered "normal"
according to what ever is the norm at the time will be dealt with by the
government as it sees fit. Do not think the government is just being
progressive and trying to right some moral injustice. If the government is
promoting gay marriage it is because they seem some sort of financial
or political advantage to be gained from it. Just pray that your group might be the norm at the time,if you are unwilling to limit governmental powers now, befor its too late.
Well if you illegalize the same-sex marriage, then you are not following your own word here...
I thought the question was about my own opinion. I don't
believe the government needs to be wasting its time trying
to make behaviors that are private issues illegal. We don't
need to make guns illegal. We have enough of those laws.
We don't need to make more laws about child abuse or
spouse abuse, we have enough of those. I don't think
the government should pass any laws re guarding this
issue. Any groups that want to have a ceremony to marry
whomever they want can already do that. What you are
trying to change is the leagle status. That perhaps should
be the real question. I just voted no on two unrelated issues in our
area, because the government doesn't NEED any more
power do what it needs to do. There are enough laws.
So I always vote no. NO NO NO No more power, no more
of my money, no more support. There are already anti
discrimination laws. The Bible has many instances of different
types of sexual behaviour and not all were in a really negative
context. But the government is not here to alter my beliefs.
That should be done gradually and over the course of time
and if it is a good change it will be kept, if not the culture
will probably collapse and start over again. My belief is that
God ordained marriage to be between one man and one woman.
I also believe, (contray to my fellow Christians) that God calls
those with altered sexuality to be celibate. THIS IS MY PERSONAL
BELEIF. You are welcome to yours. But I don't want people
trying to force me to change my belief just like I wouldn't try
to force you to change over to mine. Sexuality is far too public
these days.
I don't understand... If you vote "no", then that mean other people can't have their own personal right to marry through same-sex, while you say that government actually have nothing to do with the religion, well, it was them who stopped us from marrying, not the Christians.
But... if you prefer to vote no for your own beliefs, that's fine with me, I respect your choice..
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While I do agree that there are way way too many laws on the books to cover just about everything. I do not see anything wrong with rewording some of these already existing laws to make same sex marraiges legal. Also with rewording some of these laws, we could also make some very good changes. Think about that please before you vote.
Actually I have a tendency to vote no on anything that is going to
allow the government to set up another agency, charge me more
money to supervise and manage it and exercise any more control
over my life than they already have. What area do you live in and
what was the bill? (The wording of what you had to vote on?) I
am just curious. For the record, people who live and work together
and are in a committed relationship, (which may or may not involve
sex, that should be kept private) should have the ability to provide
for one another and make decisions. The couple should write wills
and work with family to make sure wishes are adhered to. And families
need to respect each others wishes. I have a cousin in law who
is homosexual and he had to move away in order to insure he has
total say over what happens in his life should anything happen to
him or his partner. I am the only one other than my husband who
stays in touch. Their relationship has lasted as long as mine. (He
actually keeps a nicer, cleaner home than I do. sigh) All of the
females in our family used to take home decorating tips from him.
I miss him. I still believe the way I do. But people can be sheep
and they don't think everything through and thats why they are
trying to make these marriages illegal.(There is a difference in making
a thing illegal and making it leagle. Sometimes no one ever thinks about
making something definately illegal until someone else tries to leagallize
it. We shouldn't go around trying to make things illegal that are private
issues. For instances I don't believe in abortions except to save a
mothers life. And I don't beleive in murder except to save other
peoples lives. (like killing a sniper on the roof) And the mother should
not be made into a criminal. BUT the doctor on the other hand, should
be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, when he reaches in
there and stops that babies beating heart. That would work to stop abortions.
I do not think it is good for gays to live that life style. Just like I do not think it is good to smoke or drink. If my children choose to drink or smoke I will not
disown them or their friends they hang around that do, but I do
not need to change my beliefs about what they do. And my belief
about celabicy for those with altered sexuality fits in here too. I
am not saying that people are not really gay. I am saying that there
are certain choices in behavior that are best for a culture as a whole.
If the culture accepts smoking as a behavior then the health of the
entire culture will eventually suffer. Yet this country thinks we should
ban smoking for the sake of everyones health. If I were gay, I would
live my life in celabacy, working to improve our culture, working to
help others, rescuing children, and otherwise ministering to people in
need. I am sure their are alot of homosexuals who have chosen that
path. My best friend in highschool was gay. My only male friend in
highschool was gay. My bestfriend when I lived in Alaska was bi.
Actually I think gay guys make better friends over all. My experiance
in the Army showed me that gay women were more fun for activities
like rock climbing, but they were always trying to hit on me. (That
comes from being a female mechanic I guess, and I did look really
cute in combat boots) So the issue is really a complicated one, (aren't
they all?) and the way I vote has more to do with what I think the
government might really be up to) Rember, just because you are paranoid,
that doesn't mean they are not out to get you.
Sorry if I soundconfusing. The issue is, can we treat people as people, no matter what
their personal behaviors are.(non dangerous behaviors)
Actually I have a tendency to vote no on anything that is going to
allow the government to set up another agency, charge me more
money to supervise and manage it and exercise any more control
over my life than they already have. What area do you live in and
what was the bill? (The wording of what you had to vote on?) I
am just curious. For the record, people who live and work together
and are in a committed relationship, (which may or may not involve
sex, that should be kept private) should have the ability to provide
for one another and make decisions. The couple should write wills
and work with family to make sure wishes are adhered to. And families
need to respect each others wishes. I have a cousin in law who
is homosexual and he had to move away in order to insure he has
total say over what happens in his life should anything happen to
him or his partner. I am the only one other than my husband who
stays in touch. Their relationship has lasted as long as mine. (He
actually keeps a nicer, cleaner home than I do. sigh) All of the
females in our family used to take home decorating tips from him.
I miss him. I still believe the way I do. But people can be sheep
and they don't think everything through and thats why they are
trying to make these marriages illegal.(There is a difference in making
a thing illegal and making it leagle. Sometimes no one ever thinks about
making something definately illegal until someone else tries to leagallize
it. We shouldn't go around trying to make things illegal that are private
issues. For instances I don't believe in abortions except to save a
mothers life. And I don't beleive in murder except to save other
peoples lives. (like killing a sniper on the roof) And the mother should
not be made into a criminal. BUT the doctor on the other hand, should
be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, when he reaches in
there and stops that babies beating heart. That would work to stop abortions.
I do not think it is good for gays to live that life style. Just like I do not think it is good to smoke or drink. If my children choose to drink or smoke I will not
disown them or their friends they hang around that do, but I do
not need to change my beliefs about what they do. And my belief
about celabicy for those with altered sexuality fits in here too. I
am not saying that people are not really gay. I am saying that there
are certain choices in behavior that are best for a culture as a whole.
If the culture accepts smoking as a behavior then the health of the
entire culture will eventually suffer. Yet this country thinks we should
ban smoking for the sake of everyones health. If I were gay, I would
live my life in celabacy, working to improve our culture, working to
help others, rescuing children, and otherwise ministering to people in
need. I am sure their are alot of homosexuals who have chosen that
path. My best friend in highschool was gay. My only male friend in
highschool was gay. My bestfriend when I lived in Alaska was bi.
Actually I think gay guys make better friends over all. My experiance
in the Army showed me that gay women were more fun for activities
like rock climbing, but they were always trying to hit on me. (That
comes from being a female mechanic I guess, and I did look really
cute in combat boots) So the issue is really a complicated one, (aren't
they all?) and the way I vote has more to do with what I think the
government might really be up to) Rember, just because you are paranoid,
that doesn't mean they are not out to get you.
confusing. The issue is, can we treat people as people, no matter what
their personal behaviors are.(non dangerous behaviors)
Ahh I get your point..
Thank for sharing about your experience with the GLBT folks - Status