Gas Prices can go down even futher if Russia expands oil.

diehardbiker said:
I completely disagree with you! Mass transportation isn't feasible solution for most of Americas.

if we forced mass transportation, then our taxes will SHOT up just like Europe countries where they have mandatory mass transportation.

Many reasons why this is not workable solution, you better research first and find out the facts why many many of former mass transportation system fails!
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Here in Seattle, Washington, we pay the taxes to build light rail system and it is not that high as European countries. This coming November we will have another ballot to ask the voters like me to raise the taxes a bit so they can expand its light rail system. It will not high as European countries.

We would able to afford to construct public transit system across the nation if George W. Bush never spend more than a several trillion dollars on wars.

Why many former mass transportation system failed? That is because of poor planning, bad management, and cheaper gas price doesn't encourage Americans to use public transit system to get around.

I done my research. My old major was urban planning that involved public transit planning. Plus I live in the city of Seattle that got an excellent public transit system. I use it all the time. It is AMAZING!
 
Reba said:
That's thoughtless and mean. :( There are many lower and middle class people who can't use mass public transit.
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It will help Americans to be more creative than depending on oils all the time. Americans should think more environoment friendly such as public transit or using electic vehicle or replace oil with veggie oils.

Can't use mass public transit... That is big problem for many US cities because of poor planning.

New York City, Portland, Seattle, and DC have an excellent public transit system. US cities need to install public transit system that will help people to get around without being stuck in the traffic or having to spend more money on vehicle (e.i. gases, loan payment, and insurance).
 
There are hundred thousands of small towns across the United States, it is IMPOSSIBLE to have mass transportation for every towns! You don't realize how many are out there! For example a town an hour south from here has maybe 1,000 people, and not everybody comes to city all together once a month, this is not possible! This have NOTHING to do with poor planning.

And I have to agree with Reba, your damn thoughtless, and mean!


MetroGuy03 said:
Here in Seattle, Washington, we pay the taxes to build light rail system and it is not that high as European countries. This coming November we will have another ballot to ask the voters like me to raise the taxes a bit so they can expand its light rail system. It will not high as European countries.

We would able to afford to construct public transit system across the nation if George W. Bush never spend more than a several trillion dollars on wars.

Why many former mass transportation system failed? That is because of poor planning, bad management, and cheaper gas price doesn't encourage Americans to use public transit system to get around.

I done my research. My old major was urban planning that involved public transit planning. Plus I live in the city of Seattle that got an excellent public transit system. I use it all the time. It is AMAZING!
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That is because enough people living together to make this possible... NYC has 13 million people, so is LA too. Easy to raise that amount of money, comparing to my city which only has 600,000 people, not enough cash to raise to built fancy system! Many of routes in my hometown has been eliminated, reason? Not enough riderships to support that.

MetroGuy03 said:
New York City, Portland, Seattle, and DC have an excellent public transit system. US cities need to install public transit system that will help people to get around without being stuck in the traffic or having to spend more money on vehicle (e.i. gases, loan payment, and insurance).
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diehardbiker said:
That is because enough people living together to make this possible... NYC has 13 million people, so is LA too. Easy to raise that amount of money, comparing to my city which only has 600,000 people, not enough cash to raise to built fancy system! Many of routes in my hometown has been eliminated, reason? Not enough riderships to support that.
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NYC population is 8 million. NYC metro area is over 25 million people.

Los Angeles has over 3 million residents. Los Angeles metro has over 18 million residents.

My city, Seattle has nearby 600,000 with nearby 4 million residents in metro area. Smaller city with its size can support public transit system.

Portland, Oregon has about 562,000 residents with nearby 2 million people in metro area is already one of US top cities with public transit system.

La Pine, Oregon which has about 1,000 resident and it already have bus system that commutes to Bend, Oregon. It is very successful system. If La Pine can do it then any small town can do it too! :)

Bend, Oregon has about 80,000 resident but have good public transit system and it is growing popularly now.

Anything is possible.
 
MetroGuy03 said:
...Can't use mass public transit... That is big problem for many US cities because of poor planning. ...
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It has nothing to do with poor planning.

As a community interpreter, I don't have a regular schedule. I'm on call, and have to zip from one location to another, day and night. There is no way I could depend on a bus schedule for my jobs.

In recent months, I've been called after church services on a Sunday night, to go immediately to the next town for a hospital ER assignment. Other times, I'm at the college in one town, and have to arrive at a business 15 miles away in 15 minutes. I have to keep my supplies in my car so that I'm prepared for any kind of job. That includes snack supplies, changes of clothing, alarm clock and blanket (for the naps I take in my car between long assignments), etc. How am I supposed to do all that on a bus or subway?

My Hubby owns and operates a business that requires him to drive a full size equipped van to his clients. There's no way he can use public transportation.

There are many other hard-working people with the same kinds of situations.
 
LA has raise more taxes in mid or late 80's for construction of subway and light rail, plus subway is biggest plan, the construction was started in late 80's and opened on small portion in 1993, not completed until 2000, and they are work on expands the subway to sea.

$16 is too much, how about people are from rural area, population would start losing or something, that will kill my paycheck since our suburb area has lousy public transportation, only limited lines for bus route.

Population of city of LA has hit 4 million so recently, some people are projected that will suprass NYC metro in no late than 2030 due growing more immigrants from latin countries and asian countries, plus more offspring from latino families.

It's working on alternative fuel instead of oil, that would be environment friendly in near future then most people from suburb or cities with poor or no public transit can continue to drive to workplace.
 
hey diehardbiker, Mass transit can go to smal towns in the US, like here in Washington state. There are so many city buses connecting to big cities to real small towns out in middle of nowhere. Some states have lack of mass transit options, some others have better options. Michigan has one of the worst mass transit system, its so behind and the only option is car or taxi there.
 
My town has a whopping 38,000 people. The closest (about 25 miles) large city is Charleston, with almost 107,000 people if you include the peninsula and the islands.
 
Reba said:
It has nothing to do with poor planning.

As a community interpreter, I don't have a regular schedule. I'm on call, and have to zip from one location to another, day and night. There is no way I could depend on a bus schedule for my jobs.

In recent months, I've been called after church services on a Sunday night, to go immediately to the next town for a hospital ER assignment. Other times, I'm at the college in one town, and have to arrive at a business 15 miles away in 15 minutes. I have to keep my supplies in my car so that I'm prepared for any kind of job. That includes snack supplies, changes of clothing, alarm clock and blanket (for the naps I take in my car between long assignments), etc. How am I supposed to do all that on a bus or subway?
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You can pack it in your backpack just like some freelance interpreters did in New York City. :giggle:

Reba said:
My Hubby owns and operates a business that requires him to drive a full size equipped van to his clients. There's no way he can use public transportation.

There are many other hard-working people with the same kinds of situations.
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Tell me about it. My parents own a company that involves driving full size equipped vans to their clients. Once gas price raises, they raises the labor costs just help keep their business in balance.

As for service that requires full size equipped vans are different story. They will be more likely to raise the cost as well as gas prices climbs.

That's too bad these automakers doesn't produce delivery trucks, business vans, cop cars, firefighter trucks, and ambulances with gas saving motors or using different fuel system yet. They needs to do that asap.
 
MetroGuy03 said:
Yes I have rode public transit often in Seattle and another major US and Canada cities. I love it. It saves me ALOT of money. I don't need to buy a car, gas, and insurance. I spent only 5.50 a month for public transit monthly pass. It saved me thousands of dollars a year. I rather to be smart to spend less and save Earth. Plus public transit is faster than cars and escape the traffic jams. It worth! :)

I agree about smelly people. Come on no one is perfect. There are thousands of normal people like us ride it too.
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Very true, use public transport is cheap than vehicle. We use public transport a lot when we want out of town to other city to save the cost of car park and gasoline.
 
I forgot to mention that sometimes I commute to other cities 100 - 200 miles away for two-hours of work. I'm not taking a bus to the assignments.
 
MetroGuy03 said:
You can pack it in your backpack just like some freelance interpreters did in New York City. :giggle:



Tell me about it. My parents own a company that involves driving full size equipped vans to their clients. Once gas price raises, they raises the labor costs just help keep their business in balance.

As for service that requires full size equipped vans are different story. They will be more likely to raise the cost as well as gas prices climbs.

That's too bad these automakers doesn't produce delivery trucks, business vans, cop cars, firefighter trucks, and ambulances with gas saving motors or using different fuel system yet. They needs to do that asap.
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There's alternative fuel for police cars in several cities, can't remember.
 
diehardbiker said:
I completely disagree with you! Mass transportation isn't feasible solution for most of Americas.
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Yes I agree with MetroGuy03 on this because I know myself because there´re public transport in Europe. It saves a lot money than use vehicle.


if we forced mass transportation, then our taxes will SHOT up just like Europe countries where they have mandatory mass transportation.
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I would like to correct you about European taxes over public transportation. I only paid vehicle tax once a year. To me, US taxes on toll road (road tax) is expensive than Germany and other Europe countries. When I was in USA and surprised that we have to pay the charge when we were on the road which here in Germany doesn´t... We don´t have toll road system here in Germany but pay vehicle tax once a year. It´s for all roads, transportation, building, etc.

Many reasons why this is not workable solution, you better research first and find out the facts why many many of former mass transportation system fails
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Like what MetroGuy03 said "We would able to afford to construct public transit system across the nation if George W. Bush never spend more than a several trillion dollars on wars. " It would work great if Bush consider his country instead spend your tax on war.
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That is because Europe at most is very dense population, that is advantage for them, but here in America, I don't see how it is possible, especially out in Mid-West, and other very less dense populations.


Liebling:-))) said:
Yes I agree with MetroGuy03 on this because I know myself because there´re public transport in Europe. It saves a lot money than use vehicle.




I would like to correct you about European taxes over public transportation. I only paid vehicle tax once a year. To me, US taxes on toll road (road tax) is expensive than Germany and other Europe countries. When I was in USA and surprised that we have to pay the charge when we were on the road which here in Germany doesn´t... We don´t have toll road system here in Germany but pay vehicle tax once a year. It´s for all roads, transportation, building, etc.



Like what MetroGuy03 said "We would able to afford to construct public transit system across the nation if George W. Bush never spend more than a several trillion dollars on wars. " It would work great if Bush consider his country instead spend your tax on war.
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diehardbiker said:
That is because Europe at most is very dense population, that is advantage for them, but here in America, I don't see how it is possible, especially out in Mid-West, and other very less dense populations.




I would suggest you to pay the visit to La Pine, Oregon and learn their successful story about bus system in really small and rural town. Also you can learn about Washignton's small towns in really rural areas. You will be surprised it can do well in midwest towns too if you guys are willing to give it a try.
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You forgot this, she is an Interpreter for the Deaf! There is not many interpreter in her area, and many Deafies needs her help. That is why she drives around!

Why not you take a job as an Interpreter and see for yourself!

MetroGuy03 said:
Spending a lot on gas to commute just for two hours of work. That possibly would cost same as you would earn two hours of working. That doesn't making any sense.
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