'Freedom of choice'

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Jiro said:
there's a difference between sharing the view for discussion and shoving the view down in our throats. Her threads have been becoming as aggressive as robocall.
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Exactly, Jiro. We've had pro-lifers on this forum before. But, none of them keep gnashing their teeth at the point over and over again.

It's starting to become pathetic.
 
Jiro said:
there's a difference between sharing the view for discussion and shoving the view down in our throats. Her threads have been becoming as aggressive as robocall.
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Well, maybe her threads are not for you afterall ? Maybe, you should go to OTHER threads where it may interest you... hmm ? Why should YOU allow her threads to bother you if you don't like to read ? :cool:
 
Maria said:
Not me and I am from USA. I am interested in readin' her posts/threads. She is STILL part of this family in this AD. She is more than welcome to join AD's deaf community in despite of where she came from. This AD is FOR EVERYONE from ALL OVER THE WORLD. :)
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It has nothing to do with AD. Sure, she can share her point of view, but she has an agenda. If her objective is to change laws, do so in her own country, but leave OURS alone!
 
Oceanbreeze said:
It has nothing to do with AD. Sure, she can share her point of view, but she has an agenda. If her objective is to change laws, do so in her own country, but leave OURS alone!
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Well, YOU perfectly KNEW that there's no way she could change ours. Let her alone say her pieces what ever she wishes. This is her freedom of speech.
 
Maria said:
Well, YOU perfectly KNEW that there's no way she could change ours. Let her alone say her pieces what ever she wishes. This is her freedom of speech.
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and it's an abuse of freedom of speech. Would you like to see me aggressively promoting everybody should carry guns, PETA & Greenpeace should be banned and shut down for Domestic Terrorism, etc?

Just because we have Freedom of Speech in here doesn't mean you can say whatever you want. Remember what it cost you a couple weeks ago?
 
Maria said:
Well, YOU perfectly KNEW that there's no way she could change ours. Let her alone say her pieces what ever she wishes. This is her freedom of speech.
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No, it's not. She's not an American, so she doesn't abide by our Bill of Rights. When she becomes a naturalized citizen, then she will be afforded the right to free speech according to our constitution, but not until then.
 
Thanks XBGMER, Leibing and Maria.

Daredevil: I know that banning abortion will not stop it from happening, but it doesn't stop people banning burgulary, drunken driving, shoplifting, child abuse, drunken driving etc... so I don't see why abortion should be any differant. Abortion is a CRIME not a right.

Anyway this petition won't stop abortions from taking place. It just stops new laws from being passed that will make things WORSE!

As Maria says. If reading the truth about abortion upsets people so much why do they come and post here?
 
Jiro said:
and it's an abuse of freedom of speech. Would you like to see me aggressively promoting everybody should carry guns, PETA & Greenpeace should be banned and shut down for Domestic Terrorism, etc?

Just because we have Freedom of Speech in here doesn't mean you can say whatever you want. Remember what it cost you a couple weeks ago?
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:gpost: With the Freedom of Speech afforded to Americans, there comes responsiblity. You can't just go around and say whatever you want; when you want to say it. There's limits placed on everything. If we didn't have these limits, we'd have anarchy.
 
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dreama said:
Thanks XBGMER, Leibing and Maria.

Daredevil: I know that banning abortion will not stop it from happening, but it doesn't stop people banning burgulary, drunken driving, shoplifting, child abuse, drunken driving etc... so I don't see why abortion should be any differant. Abortion is a CRIME not a right.

Anyway this petition won't stop abortions from taking place. It just stops new laws from being passed that will make things WORSE!

As Maria says. If reading the truth about abortion upsets people so much why do they come and post here?
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First of all - you are not disseminating the truth. You are spreading an unnecessary, emotional, and misleading propaganda with no concrete support.

Like I said - worry about your own laws in your own country. Don't worry about ours. How does our country affect yours? Why not focus on Africa? The problem in there is FAR FAR worse than ours. So is China. At least we don't enforce one-child-per-family policy or throw stones at adulterous women.
 
FAQ
How long as the Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA) been around?
FOCA was first introduced after the Webster v. Reproductive Health Services Supreme Court decision in 1989. It has been introduced at various points since then.

Why hasn’t FOCA been signed into law before?
Since FOCA was first introduced, 1993 and 1994 were the only two years when pro-abortion leaders were in charge of Congress and could have passed FOCA while there was a pro-abortion President in office. Bill Clinton had run on the platform that abortion should be “safe, legal, and rare.” FOCA’s radical nature was completely the opposite of Clinton’s public stance, and so the legislation didn’t advance. This time however, you have pro-abortion leaders in Congress and a President who promised Planned Parenthood that FOCA would be a top priority.

Will FOCA apply to the Federal Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003 and other laws already in place, or will it apply only to future laws?
Pursuant to the Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution, FOCA will apply retroactively to all existing laws, as well as to all future laws. In fact, FOCA was introduced in 2007 with the intent to legislatively reverse and nullify the effects of the Supreme Court’s holding in Gonzales v. Carhart, which upheld the Federal Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003.

Will FOCA reduce abortions or make them safer?
No. FOCA will dramatically expand abortion in the United States by removing any regulations of abortion and expanding the types of people who can perform them. FOCA will invalidate all health and safety abortion regulations and even allow non-physicians such as dentists and social workers to perform surgical abortions without training. Under FOCA, abortion providers will not be required to sterilize surgical instruments or to have functioning emergency equipment. FOCA endangers the health, lives and safety of American women.

Are FOCA supporters aware of the radical nature and extreme effects of FOCA?
Yes. Sponsors of FOCA and pro-abortion groups do not deny FOCA’s draconian impact. For example, Planned Parenthood has stated, “FOCA will supercede anti-choice laws that restrict the right to choose, including laws that prohibit the public funding of abortions for poor women or counseling and referrals for abortions. Additionally, FOCA will prohibit onerous restrictions on a woman’s right to choose, such as mandated delays and targeted and medically unnecessary regulations.” As Senator Boxer eloquently explained in 2004, “FOCA [will] supersede all other laws,” especially those that the Supreme Court has held to be constitutional under Roe v. Wade and subsequent decisions.

Is FOCA ready to be signed into law as soon as Barack Obama is sworn in as President?
No. A new Congress is constituted every two years, and any pending bills from the previous Congress must be re-introduced. In order for Barack Obama to sign FOCA into law, FOCA will have to be re-introduced, passed by the new Congress, and sent to him for signature.

What will AUL do with the “Fight FOCA” Petition?
The “Fight FOCA Petition” will be sent to Barack Obama and Members of Congress upon the re-introduction of FOCA in the 111th Congress.

Do petitions like this work?
Petitions enable our government leaders to see the widespread support for or against a particular piece of legislation. This is a first step. But we can’t stop here. The next step will be for you to contact your legislators directly when FOCA or similar legislation is introduced in Congress or your state legislature. We ask for your email address so we can alert you when that happens and provide you with the tools to contact your leaders and make your voice heard.

Do you think we can stop the Freedom of Choice Act?
Absolutely. Our best chance to do so will be in the U.S. Senate. But in order for us to win, our leaders must hear a very loud outcry from the American people.

After I sign the “Fight FOCA” Petition, what else can I do?
Let your friends know! When you sign up, you’ll get an email verification that we received your information. At the bottom of that email is some suggested text you can take and send to those you know who would oppose the radical nature of FOCA.

Great. I did that. Is there something more I can do?
Yes. You can contribute to help us continue to educate people about the radical nature of FOCA and enable them to make their voices heard. Any amount is welcome. With the pro-abortion forces in charge of both Congress and the White House, we’re all going to need to band together to get the job done.
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Fight FOCA » Sign the Fight FOCA Petition
 
hey I was actually a volunteer for FOCAS for 2 years - Friends of County Animal Shelters. wait you said FOCA... never mind.
 
Jiro said:
uh.... WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, DUDE? USA better than Europe??? this is America where we finally legalized abortion. She has no legal standing in USA nor is an American taxpayer nor an American voter nor an American citizen or resident.... therefore she has no say in this matter. The matter was already lengthy discussed and decided by Supreme Court.

She's an European... therefore she should focus her energy and time in European political matter to push for ban on abortion. Quite frankly - I don't give a fuck if Europe bans or not because I'm not an European but I do give a fuck if some foreigner butts her nose in our matter, criticizing us, demanding us to vote for President or whosoever to push for abortion ban where it was already legalized by Supreme Court.



Well - We have heard her concerns while back and it's been discussed and debated. And she STILL posting MORE MORE MORE of this bs to the point that it's not even a healthy discussion! It's shoving her view down into our throats REPEATEDLY FOR MONTHS.
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Jiro said:
First of all - you are not disseminating the truth. You are spreading an unnecessary, emotional, and misleading propaganda with no concrete support.

Like I said - worry about your own laws in your own country. Don't worry about ours. How does our country affect yours? Why not focus on Africa? The problem in there is FAR FAR worse than ours. So is China. At least we don't enforce one-child-per-family policy or throw stones at adulterous women.
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No, this IS the truth. It's people like Obama and family planning who want to hide from the truth. Why else would people who want to educate others about abortion face so much hassle. Because pro abortion people don't want the truth to get out. They don't want people to see pictures of unborn children because when you see that you will know that an unborn baby is a baby and not a 'parasite' like some pro abortion people try to claim.

Please everyone could you just try to open your minds and read about the new evil that is going to happen soon unless we stop it.

In Britain they were going to pass new laws to bring in even more abortions as part of the new Embryo and Fertility bill. I wrote to my MP and several members of the house of lords about it. So did everyone else in the Pro life movement. We all sign petitions and you know what. In the end all the amendments to do with abortion were scrapped. (although unfortunately the rest of the bill was passed) So these extreme laws did not happen after all. So things CAN be done if enough people care.
 
dreama said:
No, this IS the truth. It's people like Obama and family planning who want to hide from the truth. Why else would people who want to educate others about abortion face so much hassle. Because pro abortion people don't want the truth to get out. They don't want people to see pictures of unborn children because when you see that you will know that an unborn baby is a baby and not a 'parasite' like some pro abortion people try to claim.

Please everyone could you just try to open your minds and read about the new evil that is going to happen soon unless we stop it.

In Britain they were going to pass new laws to bring in even more abortions as part of the new Embryo and Fertility bill. I wrote to my MP and several members of the house of lords about it. So did everyone else in the Pro life movement. We all sign petitions and you know what. In the end all the amendments to do with abortion were scrapped. (although unfortunately the rest of the bill was passed) So these extreme laws did not happen after all. So things CAN be done if enough people care.
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:roll: The thread is a ZOO!!!! Pro-Choice Vs Pro-life WAR! It's nothing news!
 
dreama said:
No, this IS the truth. It's people like Obama and family planning who want to hide from the truth. Why else would people who want to educate others about abortion face so much hassle.
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Obama has two children and he takes damn good care of them. He spends a lot of time with them. Michelle gave up her law work for children. Believe me, a lot of pro-choice people are truly pro-family.

I remember clearly when I was a kid, I had a local newspaper and it had a lot of "letters to the editor" in the newspaper. Every week, I'd read the same arguments over abortion, fears of communism, liberalism, conservativism by two same opposing people. That woman defended the law that gives women the right to have an abortion while the conservative said it's evil and wrong.

The conservative said something to an effect that she doesn't care about the disabled and that she would rather see disabled killed.

Little did the conservative know that the woman is a family friend of mine and she has a deaf child with severe deformities (her face is deformed as well). She's devoted to helping her getting mainstreamed. She was very involved in education, fighting for disabled children rights, and learned to sign. So much for not caring about the disabled.
 
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