'Freedom of choice'

[shel90]

I think what is going on here is that dreama is too passionate about abortion and animals that she never stops and takes a step back to look at things the whole picture. Dreama, I think you're reading too many stories like the ones above and getting upset, but in reality, they most likely are not very common. Besides it isn't as if we don't have laws set in place for those people. Even if we ban abortion, I guarantee you abortion will still happen. There will always be people who break laws and the guy is currently suffering the consequences.

One question: Do you believe that if we ban abortion, all abortions will stop?[/QUOTE]


Judging from history, the answer would have to be no.

 

[Foxrac]

aWW MAN! I am stand dreama's feet. You guys trying to knock dreama down. You insult dreama's intelligent, that is very embrassment and shame all of you. You guys think USA is better than Europe. Huh?

Dreama, Dont let people put your thread down. I believing in what you believed what you speaking out for those that cannot speak or ignorant for themselves.

What's your point about intelligent? We don't insult her intelligent, neither is you.

You are behind of many thread, dreama has done with discussion.

 

[Hear Again]

Judging from history, the answer would have to be no.

Exactly.

 

[Hwy99]

I understand that you don't want the abortion to be treat in the hostipal, I am personally against the abortion and also I am strongly support the animal's rights, but there will never be all of people would agree the same.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

I was born prematurely (I weighed 2 pounds at birth) and almost died 3 times. Doctors said my chances for survival were quite poor. They also said I had an above average chance of developing brain damage and profound mental disabilities. I thank G*d that didn't happen, but if it did, I would have wanted to be aborted. I don't know about you, but I can't imagine living my life that way.

I wasn't born prematurely. I was born with spina bifida instead but was given the same prognosis. They told my Mother that if they didn't close the defect on my back, infection would set in and kill me (encephalitis, meningitis, ect). Furthermore, they said that EVEN WITH THE CORRECTIVE SURGERY, the chances were above average that I would suffer severe brain damage. Like you, I feel blessed that my prognosis wasn't as grim as predicted, but the doctors still said that my long term survival was uncertain. Because of this, my parents PLANNED MY FUNERAL almost as soon as I came home from the hospital after birth. To this day, I still have a funeral plot in our family cemetary that was paid for when I was just a newborn. My parents lived the first 10 years of my life with constant anxiety that something catastrophic was around the corner.

I've said this before and I'm gonna say it again. I do not want to bring a life into this world knowing what I know. It's just not fair in my mind.

I'm sick and tired of those who say "somebody has speak up for those that can't" when the "those" are unborn.

It's an EMBRYO and a FETUS SOLELY dependant on the Mother until gestation is complete! Those are the scientific facts! Stop mucking around with my right to do as I wish and just GET OVER IT.

Find something better to do with your time.

 

[XBGMER]

What's your point about intelligent? We don't insult her intelligent, neither is you.

You are behind of many thread, dreama has done with discussion.

Blah Blah...Yawn.. I think funny that you jump and bash her thread. Whoa.. Wait a min, You better look at yourself that In real life you actually are G%# including %#@ people which I really loathe the most. However I aint need to judge how lifestyle you or %#@ people living for. so its unnecessary for me jump and bash in the GLBT Lounge forum which I aint really interesting. thats simple and respect their opinions and lifestyle.. don't be cross my borders.

dont obess with my @$$ and forget my butty. thinking about this thread's topic. let stick with creator's thread for rest..

 

[Pinky]

"shake my head"

 

[XBGMER]

I'm with XBGMER on this.

I think it's unfair to insult Dreama like that because she is a foreigner like me.

I see nothing wrong if Dreama create a thread to share here with us because she is a human being, not see her as a foreigner. If you don't like her thread then don't post here... This is a simple.

Sure, if I want to disagree with her then I can post and explain why INSTEAD of insult/bash her.

thats very true.. thats wise!

 

[Foxrac]

Blah Blah...Yawn.. I think funny that you jump and bash her thread. Whoa.. Wait a min, You better look at yourself that In real life you actually are G%# including %#@ people which I really loathe the most. However I aint need to judge how lifestyle you or %#@ people living for. so its unnecessary for me jump and bash in the GLBT Lounge forum which I aint really interesting. thats simple and respect their opinions and lifestyle.. don't be cross my borders.

dont obess with my @$$ and forget my butty. thinking about this thread's topic. let stick with creator's thread for rest..

That's very disrespectful, don't take my personality so seriously.

 

[Hear Again]

I wasn't born prematurely. I was born with spina bifida instead but was given the same prognosis. They told my Mother that if they didn't close the defect on my back, infection would set in and kill me (encephalitis, meningitis, ect). Furthermore, they said that EVEN WITH THE CORRECTIVE SURGERY, the chances were above average that I would suffer severe brain damage. Like you, I feel blessed that my prognosis wasn't as grim as predicted, but the doctors still said that my long term survival was uncertain. Because of this, my parents PLANNED MY FUNERAL almost as soon as I came home from the hospital after birth. To this day, I still have a funeral plot in our family cemetary that was paid for when I was just a newborn. My parents lived the first 10 years of my life with constant anxiety that something catastrophic was around the corner.

I've said this before and I'm gonna say it again. I do not want to bring a life into this world knowing what I know. It's just not fair in my mind.

I'm sick and tired of those who say "somebody has speak up for those that can't" when the "those" are unborn.

It's an EMBRYO and a FETUS SOLELY dependant on the Mother until gestation is complete! Those are the scientific facts! Stop mucking around with my right to do as I wish and just GET OVER IT.

Find something better to do with your time.

Wow, Ocean. What happened to you is quite profound and I understand how your parents felt as mine (or rather my adoptive parents) felt the exact same way. I think it's unfair to bring an infant into the world who has such severe disabilities. When that kind of thing happens, it's apparent that the mother is ONLY thinking of herself -- and that makes me sick.

 

[Jiro]

aWW MAN! I am stand dreama's feet. You guys trying to knock dreama down. You insult dreama's intelliegant, that is very embrassment and shame all of you. You guys think USA is better than Europe. Huh?

Dreama, Dont let people put your thread down. I believing in what you believed what you speaking out for those that cannot speak or ignorant for themselves.

uh.... WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, DUDE? USA better than Europe??? this is America where we finally legalized abortion. She has no legal standing in USA nor is an American taxpayer nor an American voter nor an American citizen or resident.... therefore she has no say in this matter. The matter was already lengthy discussed and decided by Supreme Court.

She's an European... therefore she should focus her energy and time in European political matter to push for abortion ban. Quite frankly - I don't give a fuck if Europe bans it or not because I'm not an European but I do give a fuck if some foreigner butts her nose in our matter, criticizing us, demanding us to vote for President or whosoever to push for abortion ban when it was already legalized by Supreme Court.

I'm with XBGMER on this.

I think it's unfair to insult Dreama like that because she is a foreigner like me.

I see nothing wrong if Dreama create a thread to share here with us because she is a human being, not see her as a foreigner. If you don't like her thread then don't post here... This is a simple.

Sure, if I want to disagree with her then I can post and explain why INSTEAD of insult/bash her.

Well - We have heard her concerns while back and it's been discussed and debated. And she STILL posting MORE MORE MORE of this bs to the point that it's not even a healthy discussion! It's shoving her view down into our throats REPEATEDLY FOR MONTHS.

 

[Hwy99]

Blah Blah...Yawn.. I think funny that you jump and bash her thread. Whoa.. Wait a min, You better look at yourself that In real life you actually are G%# including %#@ people which I really loathe the most. However I aint need to judge how lifestyle you or %#@ people living for. so its unnecessary for me jump and bash in the GLBT Lounge forum which I aint really interesting. thats simple and respect their opinions and lifestyle.. don't be cross my borders.

dont obess with my @$$ and forget my butty. thinking about this thread's topic. let stick with creator's thread for rest..

Please don't bring more :topic: in this thread, the gay issues have nothing to do with the abortion nor the animal's rights,

 

[Pinky]

Dreama, I don't mean to bash or insult you. I noticed that you made your own thread of abortions repeatly. Why you're worrying about our country in USA? You can worry about your own country. You can't even change or force anyone into Pro-Lifer from Pro-Choice. You have to deal with USA. You don't need to be worry too much. Life is too short to worry.

I am pro-life. I can't change anyone's choices. I have to respect their choices. They respect my choice. You have to respect their choices not you. Our country USA is not your job to do. Please don't create more threads about abortion all the times. Everyone think you're crazy, misleading, worrying, and panic attack. I was trying to advice for you to ignore everyone's bash or insult you on posts. But you wouldn't listen to me. I am giving up to try help you. '

I don't want to involve with you over abortion issues. I gave it up. I don't feel like to discuss. Please respect everyone's choice not you. Do you understand? I am not mean to be bitch. I just sick of it.

 

[Foxrac]

Dreama, I don't mean to bash or insult you. I noticed that you made your own thread of abortions repeatly. Why you're worrying about our country in USA? You can worry about your own country. You can't even change or force anyone into Pro-Lifer from Pro-Choice. You have to deal with USA. You don't need to be worry too much. Life is too short to worry.

I am pro-life. I can't change anyone's choice. I have to respect their choice. You have to respect their choice not you. Our country USA is not your job to do. Please don't create more threads about abortion all the times. Everyone think you're crazy, misleading, worrying, and panic attack. I was trying to advice for you to ignore everyone's bash or insult you on posts. But you wouldn't listen to me. I am giving up to try help you. '

I don't want to involve with you over abortion issues. I gave it up. I don't feel like to discuss. Please respect everyone's choice not you. Do you understand? I am not mean to be bitch. I just sick of it.

Yup, that right.

My comment weren't too harsh when call quit to whine.

If it's seems so harsh then I'm sorry about call like that.

 

[jillio]

First of all, an abortion is a medical procedure. Information regarding medical procedures is confidential. Planned Parenthood falls under these confidentiality regulations. Therefore, I am very skeptical of this story. The link goes straight back to an anti-abortion site, and it is well known that these sites post less than accurrate and honest materials in an attempt to provoke an emotional response. Medical records can only be released through a court supenoea, and obviously, this is not the case here. Therefore, this organization would have no access to Planned Parenthood records, so there is no way they had access to the "details" they claim in this story.

If you are worried about parental involvement, perhaps you should worry where these parents were during the year that their 13 year old daughter was having sex with her soccer coach, if in fact, this story has any element of truth to it.

If, in fact, this was a 21 year old adult having sexual relations with a 13 year old child, there is much more going on here than the issue of abortion. Had this situation been dealt with prior to the girl becoming pregnant, an abortion would never have been necessary. Rather than Planned Parenthood "turning a blind eye" it would appear that the parents had been "turning a blind eye" during the year that this child was sexually active.

Medically speaking, a 14 year old carrying a pregnancy to term and delivering a baby is quite often far riskier to both mother and fetus than an abortion in the first trimester. Socially, forcing a child to have a child creates far more problems than a safe and sterile abortion in a licensed medical facility.

And, Dreama, you are not speaking for those who cannot speak for themselves. You are speaking for yourself, projecting your own feelings onto others. This girl nor the embryo she was carrying asked you to speak for them. You seem to be so concerned about the rights of others, perhaps you should consider the fact that you take away the rights of others when you force your opinion into their private lives, especially when your asisstance has neither been asked for nor is wanted.

 

[Pinky]

Yup, that right.

My comment weren't too harsh when call quit to whine.

If it's seems so harsh then I'm sorry about call like that.

Yup! It's okay.

 

[netrox]

So, dreama, you want the 13 years old girl to carry her unwanted fetus to full term?

 

[Oceanbreeze]

I'm with XBGMER on this.

I think it's unfair to insult Dreama like that because she is a foreigner like me.

I see nothing wrong if Dreama create a thread to share here with us because she is a human being, not see her as a foreigner. If you don't like her thread then don't post here... This is a simple.

Sure, if I want to disagree with her then I can post and explain why INSTEAD of insult/bash her.

Here's the problem, Liebling. Like you, she has an opinion, but thats all she has. Like you, she's European. She has NO SAY in what should happen in The United States of America. None. It's our laws she's trying to muck around with and why? She should concentrate her efforts in HER country. That's really how I feel about it, and I think, how others feel about it.

 

[Maria]

Here's the problem, Liebling. Like you, she has an opinion, but thats all she has. Like you, she's European. She has NO SAY in what should happen in The United States of America. None. It's our laws she's trying to muck around with and why? She should concentrate her efforts in HER country. That's really how I feel about it, and I think, how others feel about it.

Not me and I am from USA. I am interested in readin' her posts/threads. She is STILL part of this family in this AD. She is more than welcome to join AD's deaf community in despite of where she came from. This AD is FOR EVERYONE from ALL OVER THE WORLD.

 

[Jiro]

Not me and I am from USA. I am interested in readin' her posts/threads. She is STILL part of this family in this AD. She is more than welcome to join AD's deaf community in despite of where she came from. This AD is FOR EVERYONE from ALL OVER THE WORLD.

there's a difference between sharing the view for discussion and shoving the view down in our throats. Her threads have been becoming as aggressive as robocall.