Former cop sues Kentucky hunting store after accidentally shooting off his own finger

Lau2046 said:
That's a fair statement. Customers should be able to take for granted a firearm in the shop is unloaded, it's the number one job of the shop - to ensure a safe environment. Still, when I go shopping or I'm just curious - I always check the chamber again, point the gun in a safe direction and keep my finger outside of the trigger guard. You can never be too careful.
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Yeah, you don't trust the gun shop so you play it safe. Nothing wrong with that. I assume that the cop trusted the employee, knowing that the gun shop is not allowed to store loaded guns. Oh well, that's good so more people are aware that the gun shops can't be trusted.
 
"Originally Posted by Foxrac View Post
It is best interest to let gunowners explain, not anyone who don't have gun or support gun control laws, especially you"


This thread is open to everyone so don't tell people they should not post here. I started this thread not you! I want to hear what people think about this that is why I started this thread . You can't have a debate if everyone feel the same way, that would be very boring.
 
sonocativo said:
well here is a thought, is it an indoor shooting range? Here we have indoor ranges in the gun shops and you can "rent" the guns to shoot, or try before you buy... maybe someone rented it to shoot or tried out and didnt buy, returned it loaded and the clerk didnt check before putting back into the display case... one reason here they take the mags out.
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That's possible. It's still the store's fault. NRA said "ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use". Maybe the gun shop owner fired one employee who didn't check that gun to unload before put back to the display case.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
"Originally Posted by Foxrac View Post
It is best interest to let gunowners explain, not anyone who don't have gun or support gun control laws, especially you"


This thread is open to everyone so don't tell people they should not post here. I started this thread not you! I want to hear what people think about this that is why I started this thread . You can't have a debate if everyone feel the same way, that would be very boring.
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Do you own firearm or very familiar with guns?

If no so let gunowners explain because they know about guns, not anyone who have zero experience or anti-gun.

Anyone who don't own gun or anti-gun have zero credibility, IMO.
 
CrazyPaul said:
That's possible. It's still the store's fault. NRA said "ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use". Maybe the gun shop owner fired one employee who didn't check that gun to unload before put back to the display case.
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The guy behind the counter had white hair so I wonder how old he was maybe he was getting forgetful , and forgot to check the gun???
 
Foxrac said:
Do you own firearm or very familiar with guns?

If no so let gunowners explain because they know about guns, not anyone who have zero experience or anti-gun.

Anyone who don't own gun or anti-gun have zero credibility, IMO.
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Oh, I am not allowed to speak my mind because I don't have a gun? Oh, please grow up.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
The guy behind the counter had white hair so I wonder how old he was maybe he was getting forgetful , and forgot to check the gun???
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It could be but I think he thought it was unloaded as all other guns at the store. I am going to find out if it has a shooting range as well.

Edited: It's an outdoor sporting store so I guess it doesn't have a shooting range. I read that the gun was a trade-in and tagged for sale. Uh-oh, the shop didn't inspect it before it was put in the display case where all guns should be kept unloaded as per NRA's #3 safety rule.
 
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Lau2046 said:
That's a fair statement. Customers should be able to take for granted a firearm in the shop is unloaded, it's the number one job of the shop - to ensure a safe environment. Still, when I go shopping or I'm just curious - I always check the chamber again, point the gun in a safe direction and keep my finger outside of the trigger guard. You can never be too careful.
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This needs to be repeated.

Always treat a firearm as if it is loaded. That means even after you physically saw another person check it before they handed it to you. You must ALWAYS treat a gun as if it is loaded. Period.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
The guy behind the counter had white hair so I wonder how old he was maybe he was getting forgetful , and forgot to check the gun???
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That doesn't matter. Who was holding the gun when it fired a round? Was it the store clerk?
 
sonocativo said:
well here is a thought, is it an indoor shooting range? Here we have indoor ranges in the gun shops and you can "rent" the guns to shoot, or try before you buy... maybe someone rented it to shoot or tried out and didnt buy, returned it loaded and the clerk didnt check before putting back into the display case... one reason here they take the mags out.
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That's what we have, too. Gun shop in the front part of the building with the indoor shooting range at the back part of the building, thru a sally port. Customers can rent guns or "test drive" guns that are for sale. All guns are supposed to be unloaded before leaving the range area.
 
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QUESTION: if someone hands you a gun why wouldn't you check it to be safe? This is a potentially lethal device. Why would you trust someone that you don't know to have already done the check properly? If you are not experienced in guns then ask to be shown how to clear the gun. A driver has to be trained how to drive a potentially lethal vehicle.
 
VA Bowbender said:
QUESTION: if someone hands you a gun why wouldn't you check it to be safe? This is a potentially lethal device. Why would you trust someone that you don't know to have already done the check properly? If you are not experienced in guns then ask to be shown how to clear the gun. A driver has to be trained how to drive a potentially lethal vehicle.
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Sure, I would check it out. However, in this case, the gun was loaded while it was in the case, and while the employee was pulling it out of the case and handing it over to the customer. It could have gone off before the customer even touched it. So, the dangerous situation was already set up and in motion before the cop even touched the gun. There's the liability.

Yes, a driver has to be taught how to drive a vehicle but not to look at or buy one. Same with guns. People can look at and buy them without being trained in their safe handling and use. (I'm not recommending that; just stating a fact.)
 
"Originally Posted by Foxrac View Post
It is best interest to let gunowners explain, not anyone who don't have gun or support gun control laws, especially you"

I don't think I would want to follow that cop advice on how to handle a gun.
I already had one finger sewed back on.
 
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Reba said:
Sure, I would check it out. However, in this case, the gun was loaded while it was in the case, and while the employee was pulling it out of the case and handing it over to the customer. It could have gone off before the customer even touched it. So, the dangerous situation was already set up and in motion before the cop even touched the gun. There's the liability.



Yes, a driver has to be taught how to drive a vehicle but not to look at or buy one. Same with guns. People can look at and buy them without being trained in their safe handling and use. (I'm not recommending that; just stating a fact.)
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Guns DON'T just go off on their own. Not old flintlocks, Muskets, Sharps or Henry rifles.
The question of liability has already been agreed upon that the shop is at fault.
Do you not concur that the "cop" should have checked the firearm prior to further examination of it?
This is not a novice buying a gun but a trained professional. The case is not about someone else that it might have happened to the case revolves around a particular individual and a particular business.
Let's not muddy up the waters with should'a, could'a, would'a.

I've been around guns for almost 59 years. I've been in countless stores that sold guns. This is the first time I've ever seen a clerk not clear a gun or rifle before handing it to a potential customer.
 
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First of all, what idiot puts a loaded gun in a display case? Secondly, the cop should have known to check to see if it's loaded before looking at it, I mean that is basic gun sense and he wears one everyday and has obviously handled enough guns to know better. I think in the end the gun shop is going to lose big time though.
 
seb said:
First of all, what idiot puts a loaded gun in a display case? Secondly, the cop should have known to check to see if it's loaded before looking at it, I mean that is basic gun sense and he wears one everyday and has obviously handled enough guns to know better. I think in the end the gun shop is going to lose big time though.
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The shop was at fault, the clerk was at fault and the customer/cop was at fault.
 
VA Bowbender said:
The shop was at fault, the clerk was at fault and the customer/cop was at fault.
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OK, however he can file a lawsuit, can't he? What's more, it's up to the jury to decide so wait and see. If you don't want to wait and see, I completely understand.
 
VA Bowbender said:
Guns DON'T just go off on their own. Not old flintlocks, Muskets, Sharps or Henry rifles.
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No, they don't.

The question of liability has already been agreed upon that the shop is at fault.
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Of course, our opinions don't matter in the courtroom. :lol:

Do you not concur that the "cop" should have checked the firearm prior to further examination of it?
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Of course, he should have.

This is not a novice buying a gun but a trained professional. The case is not about someone else that it might have happened to the case revolves around a particular individual and a particular business.
Let's not muddy up the waters with should'a, could'a, would' a.
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Not muddying the waters but liability is all about the should'a's. ;)

I've been around guns for almost 59 years. I've been in countless stores that sold guns. This is the first time I've ever seen a clerk not clear a gun or rifle before handing it to a potential customer.
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Same here (though not as many years).
 
CrazyPaul said:
OK, however he can file a lawsuit, can't he? What's more, it's up to the jury to decide so wait and see. If you don't want to wait and see, I completely understand.
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Of course a suite can be filed. Anyone can sue for anything, anytime. However I truly doubt it would ever get to a jury trial. I don't recall that I ever said he couldn't sue. I recall saying that he would prevail.
 
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