fear of harrassment by gays...

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Buffalo said:
My mother told me years ago that there is only one reason for marriage.... having kids. Obviously two gays can't have kids together without involving a third party (a surrogate mother). Either they still are stuck on that reason or they are being anti-gay. My feelings is on the latter reason.
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Adoption.

Not to mention that having kids might have been her reason for getting married, but it's not everyone's reason for getting married. There are people that marry that don't have kids.
 
netrox said:
Marriage was never "biblical" here and that's something you need to recognize. Marriage is a legal contract between two people that forces the government to recognize their relationship and must treat the union as one.

Atheists and Buddhists can marry and they don't do for the Bible but for legal reasons.

Traditional marriage is not even remotely "traditional marriage" as people think. A truly traditional marriage meant arranged marriage and treating women as property but many Americans are falsely conditioned to believe that the marriage we have now is "traditional."
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This is actually true. Every society that has ever existed has had traditions of marriage. Some as simple as jumping across a broomstick together. Every society I know about has also had some form of divorce proceedings as well -- Some as simple as the woman throwing the man's shoes out of the house.

But even I tend to forget this because every time the discussion of marriage comes up the reference to Biblical ancestry rises immediately.

I still believe the government is overly involved in marriage. In fact the government legislates almost every aspect of your marriage from who can get married to what your obligations to each other are during marriage and then orchestrates every aspect of your divorce and or separation.

Not to mention that divorce lawyers have become a good sized industry.

Millions of hours, and dollars go into devising and revising laws and then millions more into enforcing those laws -- All governing some aspect of marriage.

I say a prenuptial agreement should be required covering all these aspects as agreed upon by the couple in advance in order to be legally married in the first place; and then this contract, and only this contract, should be considered during a divorce.
 
gay or straight

It is bondage a prison of government/court/religion enforced words that we get conditioned from childhood to believe is the truest path to happiness. Lots of animals mate for life and they do not need legal documentation. All I have to do is look down to realize yep I am still an animal- nope I don't need bondage
just love.
 
inspirabull said:
It is bondage a prison of government/court/religion enforced words that we get conditioned from childhood to believe is the truest path to happiness. Lots of animals mate for life and they do not need legal documentation. All I have to do is look down to realize yep I am still an animal- nope I don't need bondage
just love.
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People are not animals.

I'm sorry that marriage seems to be bondage to you. That's not true for everyone.
 
CJB said:
Adoption.

Not to mention that having kids might have been her reason for getting married, but it's not everyone's reason for getting married. There are people that marry that don't have kids.
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Interesting -- and true. People can be married who do not have sex. Might be a thread worth starting, "What is marriage?"
 
CJB said:
:rofl: Good one, souggy. :D
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I never got why people say other humans, especially criminals, are "like animals," yet they're (animals) not even capable of doing half of the inhumane, cruel, tortuous things we do to others.
 
souggy said:
I never got why people say other humans, especially criminals, are "like animals," yet they're (animals) not even capable of doing half of the inhumane, cruel, tortuous things we do to others.
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:werd:

Most animals don't just kill for the sake of it but we do. At least they have some reason like needing to eat.
 
Animals aren't accountable for their actions. People are.

Claiming that people are animals is an attempt to get them "off the hook" for accountability of their actions.
 
Reba said:
Animals aren't accountable for their actions. People are.

Claiming that people are animals is an attempt to get them "off the hook" for accountability of their actions.
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Yup but funny thing, scientist labeled humans as part of animal, even rest of teachers at public school said humans are part of animal.

For me, I don't believe that humans are part of animal.
 
Reba said:
Animals aren't accountable for their actions. People are.

Claiming that people are animals is an attempt to get them "off the hook" for accountability of their actions.
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Sometimes it feels like animals are more responsible than us, though. I think comparing humans to an animal is an insult to the animal.

:P
 
Well, here's the fact: we are really animals.

When people compared criminals to "animals", they're really showing their ignorance. A rabbit is an animal and you don't see a rabbit wantonly kill an animal. A dog is a very social animal and treats his owner with extreme loyalty. A cat is a fierce independent animal but appreciates human companionship if they respect the owner. Every animal has its own characteristics and to lump an "animal" to a vicious heartless animal is just silly.

So, next time you complain of criminals being "animals", you ARE An animal.
 
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Of course human beings are animals. In fact we are mammals. Our females suckle their young, and we reproduce sexually. That we have some extra brain tissue that gives along with some other things a planetsized ego does not divorce us from the pure hard fact that we are warmblooded animals that live breathe and die on planet earth.
 
netrox said:
Well, here's the fact: we are really animals.

When people compared criminals to "animals", they're really showing their ignorance. A rabbit is an animal and you don't see a rabbit wantonly kill an animal. A dog is a very social animal and treats his owner with extreme loyalty. A cat is a fierce independent animal but appreciates human companionship if they respect the owner. Every animal has its own characteristics and to lump an "animal" to a vicious heartless animal is just silly.

So, next time you complain of criminals being "animals", you ARE An animal.
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Well, we do have agreement to disagreement like some people don't believe that human is part of animal.

There's nothing is wrong with gay marriage, I'm support gay rights, including gay marriage but I'm not in strengthen about support gay marriage anymore (pretty same like I said in earlier about don't care) due very hard to pass in all states because voters in California and Maine said no to gay marriage, I bet some states like Iowa may have election but haven't checked out yet so pretty sad about legalize of gay marriage has been failed by voters, except for Mass and quite some successful when goes to court.

Now, I don't have worry about gay marriage right now but rather to worry about hate crime and employment discrimination.

There's some people who is misunderstood my post that I don't support GLBT so I have make clear up. :roll:
 
Foxrac said:
Well, we do have agreement to disagreement like some people don't believe that human is part of animal.

There's nothing is wrong with gay marriage, I'm support gay rights, including gay marriage but I'm not in strengthen about support gay marriage anymore (pretty same like I said in earlier about don't care) due very hard to pass in all states because voters in California and Maine said no to gay marriage, I bet some states like Iowa may have election but haven't checked out yet so pretty sad about legalize of gay marriage has been failed by voters, except for Mass and quite some successful when goes to court.

Now, I don't have worry about gay marriage right now but rather to worry about hate crime and employment discrimination.

There's some people who is misunderstood my post that I don't support GLBT so I have make clear up. :roll:
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the reason why people are misunderstanding your post is because you are flip-flopping all over. You are supporting a few ADers who are against a certain issue that you agree with but they are also against gay marriage - which you support.

See the inconsistency and confusion there?
 
Jiro said:
the reason why people are misunderstanding your post is because you are flip-flopping all over. You are supporting a few ADers who are against a certain issue that you agree with but they are also against gay marriage - which you support.

See the inconsistency and confusion there?
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In rest of earlier my post doesn't mention that I'm against on gay marriage but I'm talking about very hard to have gay marriage in all states and don't win the voters to have gay marriage in their state, yes, I do agree with some people about more harder to have gay marriage and don't win the voters so it don't make me to against on them, that it.

My post aren't confused to me since some people don't get it.
 
Foxrac said:
In rest of earlier my post doesn't mention that I'm against on gay marriage but I'm talking about very hard to have gay marriage in all states and don't win the voters to have gay marriage in their state, yes, I do agree with some people about more harder to have gay marriage and don't win the voters so it don't make me to against on them, that it.

My post aren't confused to me since some people don't get it.
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I think you mean that you still support gay marriage but it's not your highest priority right now. Is that right?
 
Reba said:
I think you mean that you still support gay marriage but it's not your highest priority right now. Is that right?
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Yup, that what I was means.
 
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