fear of harrassment by gays...

[Dixie]

Oh my god!

Hear this.. Prop 8 proponents don't want the court to be aired because they fear harassment... excuse me... gays have been harassed, bashed, and murdered for being gay for thousand of years.

And anti-gay people are demanding special protection for themselves by denying the trial to be aired? No way they need special protection. They DESERVE to be harassed since they ARE HARASSING gays not to marry.

Prop. 8 trial to include unprecedented testimony - latimes.com

That's a lie, the real reason why anti-gays don't want the trial aired is because they don't want widespread support for gay marriage. They want this trial to get as little media attention as possible. I personally think they should air it. Prop 8 got a shit load of media attention, the anti-gays got to voice their opinion, now it is time for the media to hear the gays.

 

[shel90]

No, I believe that 2 wrongs don't make a right. I also CLEARLY stated that it was this type of sentiment from BOTH SIDES that is preventing us from seeing the testimony. Both sides will be testifying therefore both sides are being protected. And the point is so that testimony will be complete and honest.

I have already posted that I believe this case should be aired before all that want to watch. My second post was to say that because people on both sides are eager to harrass, rational people who would base their opinions on the testimony are being denied a chance to see that testimony.

I was being sarcastic...of course, nobody should harrass anyone but the anti-gay people do really need a dose of their own medicine. How? Not by harrassment, no..but in other ways, yes.

 

[TXgolfer]

That's a lie, the real reason why anti-gays don't want the trial aired is because they don't want widespread support for gay marriage. They want this trial to get as little media attention as possible. I personally think they should air it. Prop 8 got a shit load of media attention, the anti-gays got to voice their opinion, now it is time for the media to hear the gays.

Gay marriage has failed every time it has been given to the Voters. Therefore, I doubt there would be widespread support. Prop 8 DID get a ton of media attention, almost all of which was pro gay. That's the only voice I heard.....It still didn't convince the voters.

 

[netrox]

Gay marriage has failed every time it has been given to the Voters. Therefore, I doubt there would be widespread support. Prop 8 DID get a ton of media attention, almost all of which was pro gay. That's the only voice I heard.....It still didn't convince the voters.

Excuse me, do I vote on your relationship? Stay out!

 

[TXgolfer]

Excuse me, do I vote on your relationship? Stay out!

Never said what side I am on. I was commenting on the post. That being said we are a Country of laws. Those laws are written by the people and set the standard for how we want to live as a Country. That is why we vote.

 

[sallylou]

A power of attorney and will do not create the same legal status as a marriage. In particular, these documents confer no obligation of support. It's fine if you oppose gay marriage but don't be disingenuous about why you oppose it. I also do not think that it's fair to require gay couple to pay for what other couples gain freely.

No, I do not believe that every person needs a will or power of attorney. People with no real property and no children do not necessarily need a will. Of course, if you're paying, some other attorney will recommend it.

 

[TXgolfer]

A power of attorney and will do not create the same legal status as a marriage. In particular, these documents confer no obligation of support. It's fine if you oppose gay marriage but don't be disingenuous about why you oppose it. I also do not think that it's fair to require gay couple to pay for what other couples gain freely.

No, I do not believe that every person needs a will or power of attorney. People with no real property and no children do not necessarily need a will. Of course, if you're paying, some other attorney will recommend it.

Never said that a will and Power of Attorney were the same as I marriage. I said marriage was not necessary for hospital visitation or to make critical decisions. You didn't mention support in your original post.

I don't know of anyone who would not recommend a Will and Power of Attorney. Even without real property. They are cheap (in some staes free) you can do them yourself and they include many more details than just the division of property. Of course, as an Attorney you know this. Little things like do you want the plug pulled. Who do you want to make the decision. What do you want done with your remains. It's pretty uncaring to expect your family to make these decisions while they are suffering the grief of your loss.

 

[netrox]

Never said what side I am on. I was commenting on the post. That being said we are a Country of laws. Those laws are written by the people and set the standard for how we want to live as a Country. That is why we vote.

So, with your logic, interracial marriages should be banned since the majority believed it should be illegal?

You don't VOTE for someone's relationship, period.

 

[CJB]

So, with your logic, interracial marriages should be banned since the majority believed it should be illegal?

You don't VOTE for someone's relationship, period.

Couldn't have said it better netrox.

The main problem with people wanting to ban marriage is that they think they can actually affect the rate of homosexuality by banning it.

 

[TXgolfer]

So, with your logic, interracial marriages should be banned since the majority believed it should be illegal?

You don't VOTE for someone's relationship, period.

Your right. It hasn't come to a vote in Texas yet. But I will. But which side will I vote for?????

 

[inspirabull]

I realize

I am not a majority thinker. The legalized bondage of marriage goes against the grain in a big way to the lover of freedom. Oh wait there is the biggest set of chains I can find let me put them on and put myself in legal bondage to another human being. Hard to get excited about that. In fact if there are no children it makes no sense at all. Gay kind of implies to me no children. I know there are ways but: there are always ways, do we submit the majority to them?
As a legal system to preserve family wealth by way of bloodlines through children, marriage makes some degree of good sense. Otherwise? Let legal documents of another sort be sufficient.

 

[Berry]

That being said we are a Country of laws.

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You say that as though it is an indisputable fact. In fact it is very much in dispute and always has been.

I was raised to believe we are a country whose people have certain inalienable rights among which are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and with liberty and justice for all. Those thoughts are taken from the preamble and the Pledge of Allegiance.

Most opponents of gay marriage will tell you we are a nation under God and that their interpretation of what God wants should prevail.

What makes the character of a country is the philosophy that governs the making and enforcing of laws.

Those laws are written by the people and set the standard for how we want to live as a Country.

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Once again this is in dispute. Here are two other views:

1) The people do not write the laws. Legislators write the laws. We can vote for the legislators and we can petition them, but we as the people are seldom involved in the process of writing or making laws.

2) In our system even when a bill is passed into a law it is not in its final stage until judges make rulings and set precedences. We do not live in a country of people made laws, nor do we live in a country of legislature made laws: We live in a country of judge made laws.

That is why we vote

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We primarily vote for those politicians we hope will represent our interests during their term in government office. Unfortunately they sometimes have agendas that are inimical to their constituency.

 

[Berry]

I have already posted that I believe this case should be aired before all that want to watch. My second post was to say that because people on both sides are eager to harrass, rational people who would base their opinions on the testimony are being denied a chance to see that testimony

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Right.

Government should be transparent to a free people who are allowed to make choices in their own future.

 

[Berry]

I am not a majority thinker. The legalized bondage of marriage goes against the grain in a big way to the lover of freedom. Oh wait there is the biggest set of chains I can find let me put them on and put myself in legal bondage to another human being. Hard to get excited about that. In fact if there are no children it makes no sense at all. Gay kind of implies to me no children. I know there are ways but: there are always ways, do we submit the majority to them?
As a legal system to preserve family wealth by way of bloodlines through children, marriage makes some degree of good sense. Otherwise? Let legal documents of another sort be sufficient.

You make some good points here.

Perhaps it is not "gay marriage" we should rethink. Perhaps we should rethink marriage in all its forms.

What purpose does it serve?

What purpose should it serve?

What is applicable in today's world?

 

[TXgolfer]

You say that as though it is an indisputable fact. In fact it is very much in dispute and always has been.

I was raised to believe we are a country whose people have certain inalienable rights among which are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and with liberty and justice for all. Those thoughts are taken from the preamble and the Pledge of Allegiance.

Most opponents of gay marriage will tell you we are a nation under God and that their interpretation of what God wants should prevail.

What makes the character of a country is the philosophy that governs the making and enforcing of laws.

I am aware of how the law is written. My point is law is necessary. Yes congress and judges often go against the people. That has even happened in this debate. But the people ultimately have the power to vote those who don't represent them out.

Probably the simplest solution would be to remove the term Marriage from the law. Make all unions gay or straight civil unions. Allow Marriage to remain the biblical term that it is.

 

[Berry]

My point is law is necessary.

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You may not have meant to but this brings up an interesting issue. Just how much law is necessary. Obviously some laws are absolutely necessary in order to have a functioning society. Equally obviously there are laws that no society needs, but could be made anyway.

When I was young an adult male could spend 3 years in prison for a homosexual act of any kind with another adult male.

But the people ultimately have the power to vote those who don't represent them out.

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Which is why a lot of people don't vote in the first place. Too many times they have replaced a bad apple with a bad orange.

Probably the simplest solution would be to remove the term Marriage from the law. Make all unions gay or straight civil unions. Allow Marriage to remain the biblical term that it is.

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The first time I suggested this I was told it was blasphemy -- That anyone who would suggest such a thing must be in league with Satan and should be sent to hell forthwith.

The amount of time and money the government spends regulating marriage and divorce is insane. Throw in child support and this government involvement can last the bulk of the person's life time. Some people have several children and several ex's being processed through the district attorney's office at the same time.

The government should enforce prenuptial agreements the same as any other contract, and that should be the extent of involvement.

 

[netrox]

Gay marriage has failed every time it has been given to the Voters. Therefore, I doubt there would be widespread support. Prop 8 DID get a ton of media attention, almost all of which was pro gay. That's the only voice I heard.....It still didn't convince the voters.

Prop 8 is NOT pro-gay.. it's anti-gay.

 

[TXgolfer]

Prop 8 is NOT pro-gay.. it's anti-gay.

I can read, I said the MEDIA ATTENTION was almost all pro gay, My post was in regard to someone who said that the Gays had not been heard yet. I even poested their quote.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

Marriage is not a Biblical word... Almost everyone in the world uses it, and not all of the English speakers are Christians either... or are even straight-- some of the English speakers have the concept of "third sex marriage" for transexuals, transgender and or intersexed.

 

[Jiro]

Marriage is not a Biblical word... Almost everyone in the world uses it, and not all of the English speakers are Christians either... or are even straight-- some of the English speakers have the concept of "third sex marriage" for transexuals, transgender and or intersexed.

after all..... the government (court) can wed them...... You can choose to be wed by either priest or government judge..... or the Naked Cowboy in NYC (yes he's licensed to wed you)