Facebook kills the spirit of the internet

[naisho]

Here's a thought I had the other day. Many of you might enjoy posting and reading stuff on people's facebooks, sharing comments on their walls, I do too and it's fun, no doubt.
Nevertheless, have you ever realized that the more people hang out and post on facebook, the more people are killing the internet?
How is that possible? Well, here's a couple of very strong points:

1) How does the internet work? You usually search for information or look up something on another website for what it says about whatever you are looking up. This happens not only for text, but also photos and pictures too.
2) Most people's profiles on facebook are set to friends only or private. This is good to keep your stuff secure from outside.

Here's an example:

John is searching for information about asdfjkl qweoiu. There might not be a lot of information on the web because it's not popular.

Jane just posted photos of the asdfjkl qweoiu she made or got on her Facebook.
Her friends comment on her photo, "Wow! yummy!" "How did you make that?" "I want to try to make this too."
*Jane posts her directions on her facebook photo comments for her friends.*

John still can't find any helpful information on how to create asdfjkl qweoiu, and he can't search Jane's facebook profile because they're not friends, what's worse is Jane's profile is set to private.
*John gives up on asdfjkl qweoiu.*

See how facebook just killed one person's internet?
Be a better person today and contribute to make the internet a better place for everyone.
Post public information (that you want) outside of facebook.
That means posting them on websites, forums, anything that is not private to web searches.

Save the internet!

 

[Frisky Feline]

welll. all i know is facebook is more of socializing peeps, not asking for opinions or feedbacks.

for example, i did find the recipe what you are looking for

Stromboli With Whole Wheat Dough Recipe

so i dont think facebook killing the internet. From what I ve been seen on fb a lot tat they like to socilize rather than giving some information but i dont know if fb group have open public to allow anyone to participate there.

i know anyone who is in desire of looking for information then they would post in any form of forums or any kind of websites that relates what they are looking for. i still manage to find many informations but again you may have a point.

the problem is that forums or websites do not protect members since moderators dont do anything that leaves members more unsure and chose not to post there. its too many happening all over and i even witness many times. I know moderators are not cops or teachers but focusing on words that moderators stays neutral but it isnt helping.

for example stromboli walffes, one person tell her, to use olive oil but other person tell use vegetable then they end up arguing about it while moderator do is ban one of them. then one of them seeks for members profile such as where did she comes from then one member sends PM to harrass them while moderator did not do anything about it. then outside of the forums, member found more about othe rmember and tell everything on forums and website while moderator do is to remove the post but others saw everything and know more about them then it leads to the crime stuff while moderator backs off then the real polices and fbis start to take over it.

sad, isn't it. i guess some people chose fb to keep quiet and protect themselve even fb is not a secure one what they think it is but delaying the discovering the profiles of them. :shrug:

 

[metalangel]

How is that different from forums which force you to register before you can even read their posts?

 

[anlos09]

you can find ANYTHING on google.

 

[PowerON]

Either they need to have weblog, fan page or group page. If it's only on your Facebook profile page, then you're idiot to not know how to handle the network social.

 

[radioman]

I think you are overthinking it with facebook. There will ALWAYS be someone bashing on something or someone that is big and popular. :roll:

 

[naisho]

for example stromboli walffes, one person tell her, to use olive oil but other person tell use vegetable then they end up arguing about it while moderator do is ban one of them. then one of them seeks for members profile such as where did she comes from then one member sends PM to harrass them while moderator did not do anything about it.

I see your point about arguments. This is a situation that requires admin or mod intervention depending on the severity. Although don't people argue on facebook as well? and it's harder to control them there because there's no real moderators on facebook, it's complete freedom of speech in a way.

 

[naisho]

How is that different from forums which force you to register before you can even read their posts?

The registration keeps track of issues that will come from scam, spam and the likes. This lets the staff know if the guests are problematic or fake members. I see your point too about why should people register, but take a look at it this way: if everything was free for anybody to post, there would be a lot more spamming and anonymous fights going on. How would you be able to control any negative issues arising from a situation?

 

[naisho]

I think you are overthinking it with facebook. There will ALWAYS be someone bashing on something or someone that is big and popular. :roll:

Take it easy brother, nobody is bashing anybody here. I don't have an issue with facebook, I use it also myself. I've been a member with it since 2005, this is just opinion after using it for a long time. If you have an argument why my OP could be wrong feel free to show it. We're all looking for collective discussion for improvement.

I'm not telling people to stop using facebook. I'm encouraging people to be public with the information they want to share with the public, sometimes there are details that you can find in comments or posts on FB that you can't find searching around. These two are different issues.

 

[Jane B.]

How is that different from forums which force you to register before you can even read their posts?

The registration keeps track of issues that will come from scam, spam and the likes. This lets the staff know if the guests are problematic or fake members. I see your point too about why should people register, but take a look at it this way: if everything was free for anybody to post, there would be a lot more spamming and anonymous fights going on. How would you be able to control any negative issues arising from a situation?

Naisho
I think you need to re-read metalangel's post. The way I understand it, it is the problem with sites that don't let you read other people's posts without registering! I, for one, like to read the posts on a site before deciding if I am interested enough to register and post. I do not have any objection to registering in order to post but I do have a problem with having to register in order to read.

 

[naisho]

Naisho
I think you need to re-read metalangel's post. The way I understand it, it is the problem with sites that don't let you read other people's posts without registering! I, for one, like to read the posts on a site before deciding if I am interested enough to register and post. I do not have any objection to registering in order to post but I do have a problem with having to register in order to read.

I understand her issue. Fortunately with most forums/websites they don't make things private from the outside, but I'm aware that some sites also make it private unless registered. I see that as blocking information out, but how would you find the content first place if the information is hidden from search?

Take a gander at it from the site admin perspective - would you feel registration is necessary for your site?
Some sites put a set # of limited views before they ask you to register. Sometimes like 10, 15 page views, etc. That might be a fair thing to ask for in response for free bandwidth material for lurkers/readers.

 

[Glenn]

John is not looking in the right places.

Most times when I do a Google search for anything there are, at the very least, 10,000 results. If I want a recipe, I can check a recipe site first.

 

[naisho]

John is not looking in the right places.
Most times when I do a Google search for anything there are, at the very least, 10,000 results. If I want a recipe, I can check a recipe site first.

I edited and changed the example in OP to make it a stronger point, if it helps.
Do you feel that having things on private walls don't detriment the true nature of the internet?

Some people post or only hang out on private sites all day - not just facebook, like myspace and let's add a private registration-only site Jane B. and metalangel were pointing out.

 

[Frisky Feline]

welll. all i know is facebook is more of socializing peeps, not asking for opinions or feedbacks.

for example, i did find the recipe what you are looking for

Stromboli With Whole Wheat Dough Recipe

so i dont think facebook killing the internet. From what I ve been seen on fb a lot tat they like to socilize rather than giving some information but i dont know if fb group have open public to allow anyone to participate there.

i know anyone who is in desire of looking for information then they would post in any form of forums or any kind of websites that relates what they are looking for. i still manage to find many informations but again you may have a point.

the problem is that forums or websites do not protect members since moderators dont do anything that leaves members more unsure and chose not to post there. its too many happening all over and i even witness many times. I know moderators are not cops or teachers but focusing on words that moderators stays neutral but it isnt helping.

for example stromboli walffes, one person tell her, to use olive oil but other person tell use vegetable then they end up arguing about it while moderator do is ban one of them. then one of them seeks for members profile such as where did she comes from then one member sends PM to harrass them while moderator did not do anything about it. then outside of the forums, member found more about othe rmember and tell everything on forums and website while moderator do is to remove the post but others saw everything and know more about them then it leads to the crime stuff while moderator backs off then the real polices and fbis start to take over it.

sad, isn't it. i guess some people chose fb to keep quiet and protect themselve even fb is not a secure one what they think it is but delaying the discovering the profiles of them. :shrug:

haha let's pretend from strombioli waffles to sfkaksdhgfklas and you still find lot of information about ksjfaojdflk .

 

[Glenn]

I would think there is still plenty of public information out there. Despite the fact that there are sites with privacy, the Internet is expanding rapidly with accessible information. It just means users may have to look a bit more.

 

[Frisky Feline]

I know out there people who are really hungry for getting informaton then they WOULD make some posts in public where the other hungry people who are in the same boat as them then they would do it. facebook is just a social networking site where those people who already know each other and chat all day all night all they want to. like i have two group or three or four group that i chat all and there are no urgent informations. if i am really hungry for a specific information then i will make public posts on forums or websites not facebook. know what i m saying.

maybe you see the facebook killing the internet. but before facebook didnt exists those people chat all craps on forums too no different.

 

[Frisky Feline]

I like your question that brought up a very good thinking.

 

[paperclip]

Naisho
I think you need to re-read metalangel's post. The way I understand it, it is the problem with sites that don't let you read other people's posts without registering! I, for one, like to read the posts on a site before deciding if I am interested enough to register and post. I do not have any objection to registering in order to post but I do have a problem with having to register in order to read.

I think what you are pointing out supports Naisho's point.

If the site does not allow you to read other person's post, it means that the posts from the site is not going to be found through a Google search. In some sense, they are a closed community and not encouraging a more diverse dialogue. Depending on the topic/purpose of the forum, this may be ideal for them. It almost might be a strategic move to increase interest in the site.

Anyway, getting to the point, if the purpose of the internet is to share freely knowledge, the forum you describe above (having to register before reading) obviously is not sharing knowledge freely, as Naisho (I think) is advocating.

Another example involves phone and computer companies. From what I understand, some phone and computer companies keep their code very very private. In doing so, they maximize their ability to profit from it. This makes alterations to their product very difficult. Other companies share their code and allow others to change their code so it might better meet their needs. For example, someone could take the code for a phone and change the vibration setting so that it last longer.

Another way I see this is through talent. Lets say Sally is really good at sewing and she has lots of respect for her sewing. She could do take two actions. 1) She could share her talent with others and teach others how to sew. or 2) She could not share her talent in attempt to keep her respect/fame that she gained from her sewing.

How often do we find stuff online that shows us how to do something awesome - like stromboli waffles (they really exist?!) and how to sew a reusable shopping bag. I do it all the time and I really appreciate it. By setting stuff to private, we are minimizing the ability of people to benefit or appreciate the same things we appreciate.

Don't misunderstand though - I'm not advocating that we all share our addresses on facebook or something. I am just rambling from what I see going on in this thread.

 

[GrayEagle]

In general, over the past 12 years or so I have been online and participating on public or private discussion boards, I have noticed a growing impact due to Facebook. By that I mean many of the old boards with specific topics/focus on which I came to know people over some years, are no longer active. Nobody is coming to post any more. They want to be friends on FB, and figure that's a good substitute, and they can "kill two birds with one stone" by only going to FB. People are busy; maybe that's the attraction -- to be able to connect with most people in one place. I but it hasn't really worked out that well, IMO. FB has it's private groups now, to compete with discussion boards elsewhere on the Net, devoted to particular topics as well. Still, it's just not the same. I find FB a bit "superficial" in some ways. No real in-depth discussions as I had experienced elsewhere, on a variety of topics. I will say happily, *this* website doesn't seem to have suffered the same fate. I am happy to find new posts on a daily basis here.

Just my two cents worth. :P

 

[Oddball]

How do you find Facebook?

It is on INTERNET! I doubt that internet is killed by FB. Maybe technology evolves over years and years, but internet will die eventually? I doubt it anyway.