Explanations about cued speech...

[jillio]

Oh geez! Just let it be between Cloggy and Jillo without drawing everyone else in.

Neecy, if Jillo posted a thread saying something about CIs that wasnt accurate, I'll bet you would nitpick it.

There are worse things in life, so what if Jillo points out things about different approaches. I dont think it has anything to do with Cloggy. Always making the debate into about personal attacks, right?

Thank you, shel. The simply fact of the matter is, they cannot refute what I have posted and therefore are forced to juvenile tactics in order to attempt to support their positions. Its a pattern.

 

[jillio]

I copied and pasted this statement from one of the links Jillow provided. Tell me that ordering something doesnt involve having to pay money??

CUEDSPEECH.org > Resources > How can I learn Cued Speech?


In the on-line catalog, you will see a variety of software and other practice materials. You can order on-line, or we can accept purchase orders from agencies by mail or fax, checks or money orders by mail, or Master Card or Visa by phone, fax, or mail. We ship same or next business day once we receive the order.

For direct orders:
Cued Speech Discovery
23970 Hermitage Road
Cleveland OH 44122-4008
877-283-2030 v/tty
info@cuedspeech.com
Cued Speech Discovery Catalog






So what is Jillo being slanderous about?

Exactly. Nothing at all slanderous about what I said. However, the accusation of slander by loml directed at me is, in fact, very slanderous. A case of pointing a finger at me, but having four pointing back at him or her. And you will also not that loml failed to answer the direct question in post #13, but your copy and paste answers it completely.

 

[jillio]

shel90- This is where it is very obvious that people, such as you and jillio, have no invovlement with the NCSA. To suggest that this is about profit in an not for profit charitable oraganization is stooping to a very low place.

Once again, the organization does not make a profit on all of the items and services offered for sale? Is that what you are saying?

 

[jillio]

Exactly Shel90, it's getting tiresome too.

Thank you, Angel. Most people here can see the difference between posting information that disputes a post and the personal attacks that some seem so intent on making.

 

[vallee]

Well, look like the gang's all here. I'm challenging all of you to dispute the facts rather than resort to juvenile name calling and personal attacks.

how is I agree name calling, since Shel said that there is freedom of speech. I am agreeing with Neecy comment that it does not matter what Cloggy post, you will disagree with it.

Our freedom of speech is very limited since the Bill of Rights was adopted. There have been so many laws and regulations that the original freedom of speech is different.

"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." (George Orwell) - both ways

Freedom of Speech

 

[jillio]

Disability services..???? Deafness ????
So....
you don't do anything, you just provide a service for deaf people and get money for that.. and that's fine.
But, an organization providing information to the public, that's "financial interest"... yeah right... typical case of JT's own rule vs rules for the rest of the world..

Sounds to me that you are profiting from the disability of deaf people. So, the more of them stay deaf, the more money you will make..

After all, the deaf people that choose to hear do not need your "services".... and for you that would mean ... less $$$$

Funny, I have several CI clients that still require ASL terps despite the fact that they have chosen to hear.

And, no, Cloggy, the more people that remain deaf does not increase my salary. I am not paid per client. To even suggest such a thing shows exactly how misinformed you are.

And I think that my clients would dispute the fact that I "don't do anything."

Providing information does not equate to financial interest. However, selling products to promote a particular philosophy and the continued survival of the organization does equate to financial interest. You are really grasping at straws on this one.

And I might remind you, since, as usual, you have brought CI into a discussion that was in no way related to CI, that even though an idividual has "chosen to hear" as you put it, with a CI, they are still deaf. So your comment about "remaining deaf" is completely absurd. Just shows where your head is.

 

[jillio]

If deaf people do not require services.... JT doesn't need to provide them.... hence.... no money...

And exactly where are those people who don't require services, cloggy? I provide services for any number of CI users. And I also provide services for students who are blind, have a diagnosed LD, have a diagnosed medical condition, and have a diagnosed mental disorder. My job is not dependent solely upon the deaf population.

 

[shel90]

how is I agree name calling, since Shel said that there is freedom of speech. I am agreeing with Neecy comment that it does not matter what Cloggy post, you will disagree with it.

Our freedom of speech is very limited since the Bill of Rights was adopted. There have been so many laws and regulations that the original freedom of speech is different.

"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." (George Orwell) - both ways

Freedom of Speech

I'll bet if Cloggy posted saying that deaf children need a visual language, Jillo wont disagree with it.

 

[jillio]

Disability services serve people in wheelchairs, deaf/hoh people, blind people, people with test-taking anxiety...many more..not just deaf people only. I know this cuz I used to work part time for a student disability service office at Arizona State University while as a student.

CS users will still need transliterators so hence the need for disability services.

Exactly, shel. Cloggy is grasping at straws. Perhaps his solution would be to exclude these students from the academic environment.

 

[jillio]

I'll bet if Cloggy posted saying that deaf children need a visual language, Jillo wont disagree with it.

LOL!

 

[jillio]

*sighs* Do not put words in my mouth. I asked a question and all u had was to answer it. I never made any statement saying that the organization only stands to make a profit. I was asking how Jillo is making a slanderous remark, that was all.

No wonder things get twisted around and the bickering starts. A simple answer to some questions would have prevented all these accusations and headaches. :roll:

That's just it. They refuse to answer the questions, and instead try to go around them by making accusation to attempt to mask the fact that I have a valid point.

 

[shel90]

Exactly, shel. Cloggy is grasping at straws. Perhaps his solution would be to exclude these students from the academic environment.

Also, since the topic of CI has been brought in this thread, I am gonna go ahead and ask this question. If all CI users dont need visual input then why the need for CART services? CART provides a visual model of what is being said in the classroom. None of these arguments make sense at all.

 

[jillio]

The more money she will make if the more deaf people stay deaf? I didnt know that Jillo's salary was based on a comission. :roll:

That would be saying that all people who provide a service, like teachers, cops, firemen, and etc are just doing their jobs to get more profits. THAT is hilarous considering how low they get paid!

QFT! Do you get paid by the student, shel?

 

[jillio]

how is I agree name calling, since Shel said that there is freedom of speech. I am agreeing with Neecy comment that it does not matter what Cloggy post, you will disagree with it.

Our freedom of speech is very limited since the Bill of Rights was adopted. There have been so many laws and regulations that the original freedom of speech is different.

"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." (George Orwell) - both ways

Freedom of Speech

Exactly. So just because I point our a discrepancy is not justification for your personal attacks.

 

[jillio]

Also, since the topic of CI has been brought in this thread, I am gonna go ahead and ask this question. If all CI users dont need visual input then why the need for CART services? CART provides a visual model of what is being said in the classroom. None of these arguments make sense at all.

Exactly. And what about my CI users that still require ASL terps and professional notetakers?

 

[vallee]

Also, since the topic of CI has been brought in this thread, I am gonna go ahead and ask this question. If all CI users dont need visual input then why the need for CART services? CART provides a visual model of what is being said in the classroom. None of these arguments make sense at all.

I can answer for me, I don't need a CART system. I used an FM system with my HA throughout the years. I just got a new one this year, but have not used it since I have my CIs. My visual system is lipreading if I need it.

I have never used a CART system, but it is a resource and why not have a resource if you can use it.

 

[jillio]

I can answer for me, I don't need a CART system. I used an FM system with my HA throughout the years. I just got a new one this year, but have not used it since I have my CIs. My visual system is lipreading if I need it.

I have never used a CART system, but it is a resource and why not have a resource if you can use it.

And you are not a student. If you were, that FM system would be paid for and provided by disability services. CART is paid for and provided by diswability services. Preferential seating in the classroom to faciltate speech reading is provided by disability services. So, your point is moot.

 

[shel90]

I can answer for me, I don't need a CART system. I used an FM system with my HA throughout the years. I just got a new one this year, but have not used it since I have my CIs. My visual system is lipreading if I need it.

I have never used a CART system, but it is a resource and why not have a resource if you can use it.

An FM system is something that the disability office will be responsilbe for providing if the students at colleges need it.

The point was brought up cuz Cloggy stated that Jillo's salary depends on the number people staying deaf.

 

[vallee]

And you are not a student. If you were, that FM system would be paid for and provided by disability services. CART is paid for and provided by diswability services. Preferential seating in the classroom to faciltate speech reading is provided by disability services. So, your point is moot.

I used an FM system in college and I paid for my own. The disabilities services did not provide one for me for my bachlors. They did provide one for me with my masters. I did have an okay disabilities service at my college. They did not provide text of a DVD of math book I needed.

So my point is not moot. It is just that I don't agree with most of your posting. I don't agree with everyones posting. I may agree with some, but not all.

 

[vallee]

An FM system is something that the disability office will be responsilbe for providing if the students at colleges need it.

The point was brought up cuz Cloggy stated that Jillo's salary depends on the number people staying deaf.

I know her salary is not dependent on that. Maybe it is that way where he is.